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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 09:05 AM)Max Power Wrote: Lol principles? You mean like the 8 hour work day, the weekend, the minimum wage, Social Security, child labor laws and many other planks of the 1912 Socialist Party platform that have since been ingrained in our society?
The stuff you mention from the 1912 socialists is pretty warm n' 'fuzzy and certainly gets widespread support: Saturdays and Sundays off, keeping little kids out of factories. Even Social Security and minimum wage, which have a lot of detractors, aren't the hottest button issues.
The real devil is in those "other planks"... a mass government takeover of private property and industry.
Quote:Collective Ownership
The collective ownership and democratic management of railroads, wire and wireless telegraphs and telephones, express service, steamboat lines, and all other social means of transportation and communication and of all large scale industries.
The immediate acquirement by the municipalities, the states or the federal government of all grain elevators, stock yards, storage warehouses, and other distributing agencies, in order to reduce the present extortionate cost of living.
The extension of the public domain to include mines, quarries, oil wells, forests and water power.
The collective ownership of land wherever practicable, and in cases where such ownership is impracticable, the appropriation by taxation of the annual rental value of all the land held for speculation and exploitation.
The collective ownership and democratic management of the banking and currency system.
http://sageamericanhistory.net/progressi...at1912.htm
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 10:26 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:22 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:16 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:06 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: Hillary has to decide whether to ramp up the leftist bumper sticker sloganeering to collect as many Bernie supporters as possible, or nudge back toward the center to collect as many anti-Trump moderates and independents as possible.
My guess is she'll defeat Trump either way, and whichever tack she takes will have no bearing on how she actually governs.
Don't under estimate the large anyone but Hillary population in this country , They have a voice and are ready to shout about it.
There are a ton of people who will never vote for Trump either. I belong to both camps. The Republicans probably could have run away with this thing if they nominated a solid candidate.
It is the people that are nominating Trump, Not the party per say . Remember the Republican establishment have been trying to stop Him. Bernie supporters were just run down by the insider DNC Clinton Machine and I'm sure there is No love lost for the way the delegates were doled out in Shrillary's favor.
I present You..........
Queen Hillary
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 10:42 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:26 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:22 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:16 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:06 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: Hillary has to decide whether to ramp up the leftist bumper sticker sloganeering to collect as many Bernie supporters as possible, or nudge back toward the center to collect as many anti-Trump moderates and independents as possible.
My guess is she'll defeat Trump either way, and whichever tack she takes will have no bearing on how she actually governs.
Don't under estimate the large anyone but Hillary population in this country , They have a voice and are ready to shout about it.
There are a ton of people who will never vote for Trump either. I belong to both camps. The Republicans probably could have run away with this thing if they nominated a solid candidate.
It is the people that are nominating Trump, Not the party per say . Remember the Republican establishment have been trying to stop Him.
Yes I know. And part of why Trump is going to win is that the rest of the candidates sucked so bad.
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 10:29 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:26 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:16 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:06 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: Hillary has to decide whether to ramp up the leftist bumper sticker sloganeering to collect as many Bernie supporters as possible, or nudge back toward the center to collect as many anti-Trump moderates and independents as possible.
My guess is she'll defeat Trump either way, and whichever tack she takes will have no bearing on how she actually governs.
I really think you underestimate how fed up Conservatives, Liberals, and Independents are with the establishment on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives are still the majority in this country, even though the last 2 GOP candidates lost. McCain was a boring choice, and MILLIONS of evangelicals stayed home because Romney was Mormon.
The disadvantage Hillary faces is that she IS the establishment. The Democratic insurgent candidate lost. There is no fervor for Hillary's campaign, and you won't see the turnout we saw in '08 and '12 for Obama. Not even close.
TRUMP is the insurgent. He is the perceived outsider, and he has attracted a staggering number of Independents and Democrats to his cause, which will more than replace the small (overblown by the media) number of real establishment GOP voters that can't stomach Trump.
Trump beat Cruz for most of the evangelical vote! That's HUGE. Trump won ALL demographics.
I don't see Hillary beating Trump. I just don't see it.
The general election voting pool is much larger and different than the primaries. There are a lot of people that don't like Hillary, but Trump has a 65% unfavorable rating. That is a very large hill to climb.
It's a push !
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2...y-clinton/
Oh and that remark..... That is a very large hill to climb.
She's not His type so He won't have to try !
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 10:14 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:05 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: (04-28-2016 09:57 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 09:32 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: Yes, if it is taking from me to give to another person, then yes. Taxes for roads, hospitals, police etc are fine, but not a single dime directly into someone's else pocket. My family and I work hard for our money, it is not our fault or our obligation to make sure that a single mother has health insurance. Keep what you earn.
If you're so gung ho about personal responsibility you shouldn't take your family's money
It is called being part of a family. A unit of society which kept the world together since human existence.
Ah, yes, but you have no problem skewering those people not so fortunate and blaming them for lack of personal responsibility if they aren't as successful as you.
It is not my fault that they didn't choose the correct path
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 10:50 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:29 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:26 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:16 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: (04-28-2016 10:06 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: Hillary has to decide whether to ramp up the leftist bumper sticker sloganeering to collect as many Bernie supporters as possible, or nudge back toward the center to collect as many anti-Trump moderates and independents as possible.
My guess is she'll defeat Trump either way, and whichever tack she takes will have no bearing on how she actually governs.
I really think you underestimate how fed up Conservatives, Liberals, and Independents are with the establishment on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives are still the majority in this country, even though the last 2 GOP candidates lost. McCain was a boring choice, and MILLIONS of evangelicals stayed home because Romney was Mormon.
The disadvantage Hillary faces is that she IS the establishment. The Democratic insurgent candidate lost. There is no fervor for Hillary's campaign, and you won't see the turnout we saw in '08 and '12 for Obama. Not even close.
TRUMP is the insurgent. He is the perceived outsider, and he has attracted a staggering number of Independents and Democrats to his cause, which will more than replace the small (overblown by the media) number of real establishment GOP voters that can't stomach Trump.
Trump beat Cruz for most of the evangelical vote! That's HUGE. Trump won ALL demographics.
I don't see Hillary beating Trump. I just don't see it.
The general election voting pool is much larger and different than the primaries. There are a lot of people that don't like Hillary, but Trump has a 65% unfavorable rating. That is a very large hill to climb.
It's a push !
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2...y-clinton/
Oh and that remark.....That is a very large hill to climb.
She's not His type so He won't have to try !
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Thats not what "a push" means. And aggregate polls are worse for Trump.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...-5493.html
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Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-27-2016 10:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I'm honestly kind of surprised he was paying them in the first place.
Did he pay them $15/hour like he thinks the minimum wage should be?
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 10:32 PM)chargeradio Wrote: (04-27-2016 10:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I'm honestly kind of surprised he was paying them in the first place.
Did he pay them $15/hour like he thinks the minimum wage should be?
Of course not, $12/hr. He also pays a 13.5% effective income tax, but wants others to pay 90%.
This guy was the biggest fraud in presidential politics, possibly ever.
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 09:35 AM)Max Power Wrote: (04-28-2016 09:32 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: Yes, if it is taking from me to give to another person, then yes. Taxes for roads, hospitals, police etc are fine, but not a single dime directly into someone's else pocket. My family and I work hard for our money, it is not our fault or our obligation to make sure that a single mother has health insurance. Keep what you earn.
So just throw them and their poor kids on the street (at least you agree on having streets) to die. Nice.
Did you ever get around to donating the equivalent of your salary to the federal government that you want others to pay in taxes? I looked back at the original thread and didn't see where you answered. If you haven't....why not? If you think it's such a great idea for the federal government to take more of people's hard earned money shouldn't you be leading by example?
In case you forgot here's the link again.
http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html
Get to donating leftist.
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 08:32 AM)Max Power Wrote: (04-28-2016 08:27 AM)Flying Bearcat Wrote: (04-28-2016 08:18 AM)Max Power Wrote: Sure it's loser talk. We lost!
But we moved her -- and the party -- to the left on many issues and demonstrated the viability of socialism -- 20 states voted for a socialist! She promoted fracking and the TPP as SOS and now she's mostly against them. What did Ted Cruz accomplish with his loss? Reintroducing America to Carly Fiorina?
You know that she has a track record of flip flopping on many issues as needed. Who is to say that she wont do that again in the general election?
It might happen but if she does she risks angering the base. We wouldn't even be here though if it weren't for Bernie.
Please. The left has refused to turn on Obama for flip-flopping on numerous issues (Iraq troop withdrawal, no lobbyists in his administration, gov't surveillance, whistleblower protection, no boots on the ground in Syria, etc.), calling anyone who criticized him a racist. We already know how this will play out. Hillary will throw red meat to the "base" to get them excited, then she will go back on her word and do all the neo-conny things that Democrats claim to hate about Republicans (but secretly have no problem with when a Democrat does them), and they will accuse anyone who calls her out on it of being a misogynist.
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 11:06 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote: (04-28-2016 08:32 AM)Max Power Wrote: (04-28-2016 08:27 AM)Flying Bearcat Wrote: (04-28-2016 08:18 AM)Max Power Wrote: Sure it's loser talk. We lost!
But we moved her -- and the party -- to the left on many issues and demonstrated the viability of socialism -- 20 states voted for a socialist! She promoted fracking and the TPP as SOS and now she's mostly against them. What did Ted Cruz accomplish with his loss? Reintroducing America to Carly Fiorina?
You know that she has a track record of flip flopping on many issues as needed. Who is to say that she wont do that again in the general election?
It might happen but if she does she risks angering the base. We wouldn't even be here though if it weren't for Bernie.
Please. The left has refused to turn on Obama for flip-flopping on numerous issues (Iraq troop withdrawal, no lobbyists in his administration, gov't surveillance, whistleblower protection, no boots on the ground in Syria, etc.), calling anyone who criticized him a racist. We already know how this will play out. Hillary will throw red meat to the "base" to get them excited, then she will go back on her word and do all the neo-conny things that Democrats claim to hate about Republicans (but secretly have no problem with when a Democrat does them), and they will accuse anyone who calls her out on it of being a misogynist.
Yep..
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
Even the best socialists run out out of other people's money.
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RE: Bernie Sanders to lay off hundreds of staffers
(04-28-2016 10:32 PM)chargeradio Wrote: (04-27-2016 10:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I'm honestly kind of surprised he was paying them in the first place.
Did he pay them $15/hour like he thinks the minimum wage should be?
There are a few examples like this one, the Seattle-based Freedom Socialist Party whose platform includes fighting for a $20 federal minimum wage... posting a job for $13/hr.
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