Which of these 2 are most plausible/best fits

Kansas
K-St
Iowa St
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Pitt
Temple
West Virginia
Virginia

And how do the raided conferences respond?

(04-27-2016 07:42 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Which of these 2 are most plausible/best fits

Kansas
K-St
Iowa St
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Pitt
West Virginia
Virginia

And how do the raided conferences respond?

The two IMO they would want are not in this list...North Carolina and Texas...

(04-27-2016 07:42 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Which of these 2 are most plausible/best fits

Kansas
K-St
Iowa St
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Pitt
West Virginia
Virginia

And how do the raided conferences respond?

Take the obvious ones out of the equation Cincy (Ohio St ), Pitt ( Penn St ), Iowa State ( Iowa ) also remove West Virginia for obvious reasons. As for the ones left Notre Dame IMO would be the best fit geographically speaking, but how many time hav they turned down opportunities to join the BigTen??? I guess Virginia with all their history tied to UNC and others would jump at the opportunity NOT. AS FOR Kansas they would love the opportunity to join especially with a companion, but it will not come from the group mentioned.

Okay, of the schools listed, who do they pick?

My preference: Notre Dame and Pitt
My prediction: Kansas, UVa.

(04-27-2016 07:42 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Which of these 2 are most plausible/best fits

Kansas
K-St
Iowa St
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Pitt
West Virginia
Virginia

And how do the raided conferences respond?

adjust your list to account for new markets and then I will give an answer.

New Markets = states of North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, and Texas.

Virginia is the only new market I think they SHOULD expand into (which is why they won't)

Stick to the list

(04-27-2016 08:00 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Virginia is the only new market I think they SHOULD expand into (which is why they won't)

Stick to the list

Kansas - no longer a major target because of how big the new TV deal is. Not going to bring enough profit to BTN to justify new membership for subs.

K-St - not a target.

Iowa St - not a target.

Notre Dame - has been a target for decades. Not going to change now or anytime in the near future.

Cincinnati - not a target.

Pitt - not a target.

West Virginia - not a target.

Virginia - a target and would be a welcomed member since it brings good academics and a new market. A win-win for what the conference desires out of expansion.

I want to use the list, but the problem is that only one school is a legit target. I'm not wanting to be hard ball in this thread since I do like the discussion, just need a list of schools to do the discussion.

(04-27-2016 08:00 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Virginia is the only new market I think they SHOULD expand into (which is why they won't)

Stick to the list

Come up with better lists.

I love prognosticating! I only take FB and MBB into consideration, since that is all that matters in conference realignment anyway, with academics as a "tiebreaker" of sorts. Here goes:

Kansas - I do not think they would ever leave the Big 12, considering the chokehold they have on MBB, and in FB they would be the doormat of both leagues. So I give Kansas a big fat no.

K-St - The only reason I see them moving is to escape Kansas's shadow. I think it could happen, but I don't think it will. Maybe they are a back up plan if a preferred school doesn't come in, so for now I guess I'll put them in 3rd place out of 2.

Iowa St - Iowa would be their natural rival, and they could also play Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin which are closer than the Texas schools. I think they would suffer a bit in MBB and their FB is already second fiddle to Iowa in the state. This might come down to TV money, of which I think the Big Ten has more (please correct me if I'm wrong). I think it is possible, but I'm still going to say no (4th place)

Notre Dame - They just came to the ACC (except FB obv), but I think the B1G would fit them, and they could trade games against VT and NC St for renewing the rivalry with Michigan. They would also be a good fit in MBB and they are located geographically within the Big Ten's heartland. I like it, but I don't think they will move. Yet.

Cincinnati - This one I could see Cincinnati wanting. They are only located in the B1G map area, and it would certainly be a step up from the AAC in all sports, but especially FB and MBB. They would be able to compete right away in MBB, but FB will need a few years to catch up (if they ever do). AAC might respond with Marshall or possibly MTSU. Possible for the Bearkats.

Pitt - I think they like the ACC, and I can't imagine them moving to the Big Ten where they will be second banana to Penn St. No for the Panthers.

West Virginia - Another one that I can see happening. WVU seems so far removed from the rest of their Big 12 counterparts, so geographically it makes sense, and sports wise, I think they can compete in the Big Ten. Possible for the Mountaineers. I can see the Big 12 then inviting Houston, SMU, or maybe Memphis or Tulsa. If they wanted to make a big splash could they lure Arkansas? (spoiler: no).

Virginia - They won't leave the ACC, as they are in a very good position academically and athletically, especially MBB. The FB team could be improved, but I don't think a move to the B1G will help that (just ask Maryland). No for the Wahoos.

TL;DR Version:
B1G adds WVU and Cincinnati. Big 12 adds Houston, Tulsa, and Memphis to get to 12. CUSA adds some MAC schools, AAC adds some SBC schools, and JMU does nothing because our administration is too busy "listening to the national dialogue" to f***ing do anything.

Nebraskafan: I basically agree with you, except I wish Cincy, Pitt and ND would be interested. I also recognize that Kansas is a doormat in football, but thought their bball strength and new market would compensate. They could all start/renew rivalries.

Assyrian: I picked UVa because of their academic reputation, and can renew with Maryland.

Honestly the ACC and Big Ten have made a mess of the Northeast in college football. Pitt, Penn State, Temple, Maryland, Navy, West Virginia, Rutgers, and Virginia all should be in the same conference but instead are divided into four different conferences.

I think the Big Ten wants Virginia and Kansas.

Virginia, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, North Carolina, Penn State, and Maryland all have a lot in common which is why the Big Ten wants to go east. The same as Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan State, Illinois, etc. all have a lot in common. But it becomes a big difference when you compare Iowa and Virginia or Rutgers and Wisconsin or Maryland and Nebraska. My point being Ohio State and Michigan can easily look east for conference mates but the rest of the Big Ten is very Great Lake/Mid-West oriented and how long can that relationship last?

True Big Ten (Mid-West/Great Lake Conference)
EAST
Buffalo
Pitt
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Notre Dame
Purdue
Northwestern
WEST
Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Iowa State
Missouri
Kansas
Nebraska
Kansas State

TRUE ACC OR East Coast Conference
NORTH
Boston College
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Temple
Penn State
West Virginia
Maryland
SOUTH
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
Wake Forest
Duke
Georgia Tech
Florida
Miami

Kansas blows in football but they would be a gold mine for BTN for hoops. Lot more hoops games on BTN than football.

Cuse and fsu would be the best move for the big ten without killing off another league. Acc could add uconn and cincy with everybody happy.

You add 6 to get to 20 teams and break into four divisions of five right before this new deal runs out.

East: PSU, RU, Mary, UVA, UNC

West: UT, OU, KU, NU, Iowa

South: ND, IU, Purdue, OSU, Illinois

North: Wisc, Minny, NW, MSU, UM

The new money is going to sway a lot of big hitters.

(04-27-2016 07:42 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Which of these 2 are most plausible/best fits

Kansas
K-St
Iowa St
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Pitt
Temple
West Virginia
Virginia

Pretty easy, since so many are implausible:

Kansas State implausible, academics.
Iowa State implausible, poor FB, small market, already shared with Big Ten school.
Notre Dame implausible, you can't force a school to join, they want to remain independent.
Cincinnati, implausible, the Buckeyes will put their foot down, also their incremental market is small.
Pitt, implausible, swap Buckeyes for Penn State then same as UC.
Temple, implausible, academics (eg, 301-400 on the AWRU, below UNL at 201-300, lowest in Big Ten and still a member of the AAU when admitted)
West Virginia, implausible, academics.

So on that list, the most plausible / best fits are Kansas and Virginia, since they are the only two on the list that are plausible and good enough fits to possible gain an invite.

Neither are a #15 school, but either might be a #16 with the right #15.

Bruce: your analysis confirmed what I suspected. KU and UVa seem the best fits.

What would the BIG XII and ACC do in response?

No one on the list. The targets should be McGill (opens up the Canadian market) and either Buffalo or Syracuse for New York.

(04-27-2016 08:41 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Cuse and fsu would be the best move for the big ten without killing off another league. Acc could add uconn and cincy with everybody happy.

Why would FSU join B1G? The nearest school would be Maryland or Rutgers, thousands of miles away. It would become West Virginia of B1G. The fatigue will kill all the sports.

(04-27-2016 11:10 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(04-27-2016 08:41 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Cuse and fsu would be the best move for the big ten without killing off another league. Acc could add uconn and cincy with everybody happy.

Why would FSU join B1G? The nearest school would be Maryland or Rutgers, thousands of miles away. It would become West Virginia of B1G. The fatigue will kill all the sports.

Which is why the most plausible sounding scenarios involving FSU do in fact involve gutting the ACC ... contrary to blusox's premise ... with UNC, one of UVA or Duke, GT and FSU.

If they did 18 schools using divisions, that would put the Buckeyes in with a batch of newbies and one other traditional Big Ten school, which would suck for me. I like to see the Buckeyes playing traditional Big Ten schools, and the latest expansion and divisional alignment already makes it less common than I'd like.

Fortunately, while FSU has the market appeal, the academics are not up to Big Ten level.

The B1G wants UNC and UVA, but they are going to wind up with Kansas and Oklahoma.