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AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.
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It'll happen they other way around, UH and SMU to the MW.
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 12:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  It'll happen they other way around, UH and SMU to the MW.

Boise St., Houston, and Fresno St. to the MWC should have happened befor Utah, TCU, and BYU left.

The MWC was on the cusp of BCS inclusion. To add Boise St. would have given the MWC another legitimate BCS contender. Houston and Fresno St. would have strengthened the middle group, lessening the drag of the bottom-dwellers.

TIER 1: TCU, Utah, Boise St., BYU
TIER 2: Air Force, CSU, SDSU, Fresno, Houston
TIER 3: Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV

MOUNTAIN: TCU, Houston, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St., New Mexico
WEST: Utah, BYU, San Diego St., UNLV, Boise St., Fresno St.

Then, when TCU, Utah, and BYU bolted, the MWC might have just added SMU and stayed at 10 schools - or look to also add Memphis and Tulsa or Tulane.

And Idaho would be with NMSU, Nevada, Utah St., SJSU, and Hawaii in the WAC, and not moving back to the Big Sky.
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Link or it didn't happen.
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Same reason that SDSU wants out - current stature of the MWC and the TV deal. SDSU and UNLV would make a great addition to the AAC by themselves. But, the AAC would do well to also bring along Boise St. and Air Force if they can.
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 01:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Link or it didn't happen.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n-football
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 01:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 01:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Link or it didn't happen.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n-football
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Yeah, I read the article. Where does it say they said no?
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 01:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Link or it didn't happen.
I am pretty sure UNLV was asked about joining the then Big East (along with BYU and perhaps one other team), before SDSU was asked and accepted.
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 02:09 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 01:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Link or it didn't happen.
I am pretty sure UNLV was asked about joining the then Big East (along with BYU and perhaps one other team), before SDSU was asked and accepted.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
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(04-27-2016 12:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  It'll happen they other way around, UH and SMU to the MW.

We enjoyed our stay out west, but don't plan on that again. We get most of our students from California and Texas and want to diversify our base by marketing to the east coast
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

Air force isn't going anywhere without CSU. Why would Boise give up their amazing monopoly on conference payouts to move to a more level playing field? The UNLV stadium situation will be bad when the Raiders move there and steal up what little fans they have for football. And the AAC won't add just SDSU. So there goes that line of thinking.

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I'll pass on Boise state, that ship sailed. Otherwise, I'm all for adding a western wing if we can get better tv money.
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I am neither for or against BSU but when they rejected the Big East it was a much different climate. The BE was a marketing mess because of instability. The ESPN contract had not been signed, which is a huge deal because the exposure has been huge. The AAC has also separated themselves considerably from the MWC in FBall and Bball. Furthermore, the AAC schools are seriously outpacing the MWC in both budgets but even more so in facility upgrades. The MWC has rolled back some of the ridiculous bonus system as well. Do I think it is probably that BSU would go to the AAC, no, but the situation right now is very different than a few years ago.
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 02:07 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 01:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 01:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  If Vegas gets a new stadium, the AAC needs to go all-in on western expansion.

Add Air Force, SDSU, Boise St., and UNLV

Bring the Las Vegas, Poinsettia, Hawaii, and Armed Forces bowls full-time to the AAC lineup. Then, use that to go convince BYU and Army to join.

UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Link or it didn't happen.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n-football
Since I am now your google I need all of your browser history for the past 10 years.

Yeah, I read the article. Where does it say they said no?

Link where they said yes or it didn't happen.
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BSU shouldn't hold their breath while waiting on an invite from the American Athletic Conference. As long as their Commissioner is Mike Aresco, there'll be no invite forthcoming. They burned that bridge a while back. 05-stirthepot
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(04-27-2016 12:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  It'll happen they other way around, UH and SMU to the MW.

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is that before, or after the MWC raids the Big XII?
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RE: AAC Expansion: New Vegas Stadium
(04-27-2016 04:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 02:07 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 01:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 01:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  UNLV was apparently invited to join the Big East and said no thanks. What has changed other than the stadium and how would that change UNLV's mind?

Link or it didn't happen.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n-football
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Yeah, I read the article. Where does it say they said no?

Link where they said yes or it didn't happen.

Too bad you have the burden of proof since you made the claim. Looks like they took SD and Boise instead and there is no where that says UNLV was ahead of either of them or that UNLV turned down the Big East. So go ahead and make any claim you want but this is the internet and you will be asked to prove that claim. You have yet to do that. Don't like it then don't make those claims.
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(04-27-2016 03:44 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I am neither for or against BSU but when they rejected the Big East it was a much different climate. The BE was a marketing mess because of instability. The ESPN contract had not been signed, which is a huge deal because the exposure has been huge. The AAC has also separated themselves considerably from the MWC in FBall and Bball. Furthermore, the AAC schools are seriously outpacing the MWC in both budgets but even more so in facility upgrades. The MWC has rolled back some of the ridiculous bonus system as well. Do I think it is probably that BSU would go to the AAC, no, but the situation right now is very different than a few years ago.

Boise St. accepted the Big East's football only invite in November 2011, at the same time that Houston, SMU, Memphis, and UCF agreed to join as full members, and just after TCU backed out and WVU accepted the Big 12 invite in October 2011 (and 2 months after Pitt and Syracuse accepted the ACC invite, in September 2011). Air Force, Navy, BYU, and SDSU were also invited at the same time.

Even without BYU or Air Force, Boise St. was looking to join a 12-team football alignment that included: Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, SDSU, and Navy (but not until 2015)...and still hopefully Air Force and BYU - who obviously turned down the Big East invite.

The Big East had an automatic BCS bid and still had the Catholic 7 schools and Notre Dame in its Olympic sports package. Notre Dame was also involved in some of the Big East's bowl affiliations. Even though Boise St. wouldn't play Olympic sports in the Big East, the Catholic 7 and Notre Dame substantially helped the Big East's prestige and image.

It wasn't until after the 2011 season that it was announced that the new CFP would replace the BCS system.

In March 2012, the Big East announced the return of Temple for the upcoming football season. Two days later Louisville announced its intention to leave for either the Big 12 or the ACC.

In August 2012, Boise St. announced that it would place its Olympic sports in the Big West with SDSU, rather than the WAC, which saw mass defections to the MWC.

In September 2012, Notre Dame announced its new Olympic sports affiliation with the ACC.

In November 2012, Rutgers announced its defection to the Big Ten with Maryland; a week later Louisville announced they would join the ACC to replace Maryland.

The Big East responded by inviting Tulane to join for all sports and ECU to join for football only.

After Rutgers and Louisville announced they were leaving the Big East (November 2012) is when Boise St. first started publically discussing its second thoughts on joining the Big East. Can you blame them?

So, in the year after Boise St. accepted the Big East's football only invite, we saw
Rutgers and Louisville leave Big East football and Temple, Tulane, and ECU join. The Big East would have only THREE legacy members and would no longer be affiliated with Notre Dame. And the College Football Playoff was replacing the BCS system.

Also, Boise St. saw its Olympic sports affiliation with the WAC shift to the Big West, with a travel subsidy.

In December 2012, the Catholic 7 announced their split away from the Big East.

It wasn't until December 31, 2012, AFTER the Catholic 7 announcement that Boise St. officially announced that they would return to the MWC with a new TV deal.

Can you blame them? Would you really hold a grudge because of how Boise St. handled this?
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(04-27-2016 05:28 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 03:44 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I am neither for or against BSU but when they rejected the Big East it was a much different climate. The BE was a marketing mess because of instability. The ESPN contract had not been signed, which is a huge deal because the exposure has been huge. The AAC has also separated themselves considerably from the MWC in FBall and Bball. Furthermore, the AAC schools are seriously outpacing the MWC in both budgets but even more so in facility upgrades. The MWC has rolled back some of the ridiculous bonus system as well. Do I think it is probably that BSU would go to the AAC, no, but the situation right now is very different than a few years ago.

Boise St. accepted the Big East's football only invite in November 2011, at the same time that Houston, SMU, Memphis, and UCF agreed to join as full members, and just after TCU backed out and WVU accepted the Big 12 invite in October 2011 (and 2 months after Pitt and Syracuse accepted the ACC invite, in September 2011). Air Force, Navy, BYU, and SDSU were also invited at the same time.

Even without BYU or Air Force, Boise St. was looking to join a 12-team football alignment that included: Louisville, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU, Memphis, SDSU, and Navy (but not until 2015)...and still hopefully Air Force and BYU - who obviously turned down the Big East invite.

The Big East had an automatic BCS bid and still had the Catholic 7 schools and Notre Dame in its Olympic sports package. Notre Dame was also involved in some of the Big East's bowl affiliations. Even though Boise St. wouldn't play Olympic sports in the Big East, the Catholic 7 and Notre Dame substantially helped the Big East's prestige and image.

It wasn't until after the 2011 season that it was announced that the new CFP would replace the BCS system.

In March 2012, the Big East announced the return of Temple for the upcoming football season. Two days later Louisville announced its intention to leave for either the Big 12 or the ACC.

In August 2012, Boise St. announced that it would place its Olympic sports in the Big West with SDSU, rather than the WAC, which saw mass defections to the MWC.

In September 2012, Notre Dame announced its new Olympic sports affiliation with the ACC.

In November 2012, Rutgers announced its defection to the Big Ten with Maryland; a week later Louisville announced they would join the ACC to replace Maryland.

The Big East responded by inviting Tulane to join for all sports and ECU to join for football only.

After Rutgers and Louisville announced they were leaving the Big East (November 2012) is when Boise St. first started publically discussing its second thoughts on joining the Big East. Can you blame them?

So, in the year after Boise St. accepted the Big East's football only invite, we saw
Rutgers and Louisville leave Big East football and Temple, Tulane, and ECU join. The Big East would have only THREE legacy members and would no longer be affiliated with Notre Dame. And the College Football Playoff was replacing the BCS system.

Also, Boise St. saw its Olympic sports affiliation with the WAC shift to the Big West, with a travel subsidy.

In December 2012, the Catholic 7 announced their split away from the Big East.

It wasn't until December 31, 2012, AFTER the Catholic 7 announcement that Boise St. officially announced that they would return to the MWC with a new TV deal.

Can you blame them? Would you really hold a grudge because of how Boise St. handled this?

Not entirely accurate. Boise state came to the AAC and asked them to be able to sell their own home games or offer them more money to join, something along those lines. The commissioner told them to piss off and so they went to the mountain west and asked them what they would do to keep them. Then they sued the conference.
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