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RE: Idaho Dropping To FCS... Has a Trend Started?
(04-27-2016 02:53 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  UMass is probably more likely to drop down than ULM. UMass isn't going to move their other sports out of the Atlantic 10 to be able to be in the MAC and as long as they won't do that they don't have a home in FBS. They won't be able to last much longer as an independent.

I think UMass will do okay as an independent. In fact, if UMass even manages to sustain itself they might have more company.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all to see several FBS programs drop down to FCS or discontinue football entirely in the near future. The P5 hoards all of the money and smallest guys will be squeezed out. It's probably for the best. The G5 is diluted by the weaklings. Many of them need to go, so the rest of us have a reasonable chance of surviving and elevating ourselves. The weakest programs are a strain on the rest of us. I have a bad feeling that schools like Troy, ULM, EMU, NMSU, Hawaii, and six or seven others are in real trouble.
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(04-27-2016 04:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see several FBS programs drop down to FCS or discontinue football entirely in the near future. The P5 hoards all of the money and smallest guys will be squeezed out. It's probably for the best. The G5 is diluted by the weaklings. Many of them need to go, so the rest of us have a reasonable chance of surviving and elevating ourselves. The weakest programs are a strain on the rest of us. I have a bad feeling that schools like Troy, ULM, EMU, NMSU, Hawaii, and six or seven others are in real trouble.

For the "best"? Who's?

Certainly not for students, alumni and fans of those schools.

Let's just shut 'em all down and let the P5 play each other and see how much they like 4 game seasons.
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What does it matter what the attendance is if a program wants to spend the money for 1-A football ? I always thought it was a stupid rule in the first place.

Do we start having the same stipulations for college baseball ? Women's hoops ?
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(04-27-2016 03:47 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 02:53 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  UMass is probably more likely to drop down than ULM. UMass isn't going to move their other sports out of the Atlantic 10 to be able to be in the MAC and as long as they won't do that they don't have a home in FBS. They won't be able to last much longer as an independent.

I think UMass will do okay as an independent. In fact, if UMass even manages to sustain itself they might have more company.

Thanks for the kind words and do agree. Regarding last years performance and attendance, was extremely disappointed. But know we will do better this year and have a big increase in attendance. Actually have directed all my donations to the football program this year in support. (Mind you, give what I can and it's not huge.)

Forgot to add F..ck Max Page!
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(04-27-2016 12:17 PM)wh49er Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:11 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I posted this on the realignment board, but I wish the NCAA would enforce the attendance and stadium capacity rules (but much moreso the attendance rule). Example:

In 2014, there were 8 schools who averaged less than 15,000:

Akron (MAC)
Ball St. (MAC)
FAU (CUSA)
FIU (CUSA)
Idaho (SunBelt - now Big Sky)
Kent State (MAC)
NMSU (SunBelt)
NIU (MAC)

Four of those schools got off of the chopping block in 2015: Akron, FAU, FIU (which I found hard to believe), and NMSU. But six more joined the ranks of the Less than 15000 Club:

EMU (MAC) - averaged a whopping 4000 and change
Ga State - (SunBelt)
UMass - (IND)
ULM - (SunBelt)
UNT - (CUSA)
Charlotte - (CUSA)

So if the NCAA were enforcing the attendance requirement for FBS, four schools would be relegated to FCS:

Ball St (MAC)
Idaho (already to the Big Sky)
Kent St (MAC)
NIU (MAC)

That leaves six on notice: EMU, Ga St., UMASS, ULM, UNT, and Charlotte. This is a potential avenue to shake up G5 realignment if the NCAA all of a sudden decided to enforce this.

Has the UNC scandal taught you anything? The NCAA doesn't enforce rules.

quite "cheeky" the first was....

southern miss fans would disagree with the latter in a 'selective' manner....

that puts charlotte in a bit of a pickle, eh?

fudging numbers is relative to who pads their back pocket....
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(04-27-2016 03:47 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 02:53 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  UMass is probably more likely to drop down than ULM. UMass isn't going to move their other sports out of the Atlantic 10 to be able to be in the MAC and as long as they won't do that they don't have a home in FBS. They won't be able to last much longer as an independent.

I think UMass will do okay as an independent. In fact, if UMass even manages to sustain itself they might have more company.

Maybe they'll change their nickname from the "Minutemen" to the "Generals" and play mostly money games, taking up a role equivalent to basketball's fabled -- and recently departed -- Washington Generals.
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The 'F..ck Max Page!' comment deserves some explaining. He is a professor, who has waged a war against Football for the past 4 plus years. Page has put it on the agenda for this month faculty meeting and note his 3 year adhoc committee was dissolved.

Here is a report from Dec 11, 2014, Springfield Republican, Daniel Malone.
Quote:As has become a yearly occurrence, the UMass Faculty Senate was presented Thursday with its Ad Hoc Committee on FBS Football's interim report.

The committee was formed in 2011 "to monitor and evaluate the costs and financial impacts of FBS football" according the the Faculty Senate's original founding motion.

Co-chaired by Max Page, a professor of Architecture and History at the university and a long-time vocal opponent of the Minutemen's move to the Football Bowl subdivision, and Nelson Lacey, a professor in the Isenberg School of Management, the committee convenes once a semester to present its findings on the football program's financials.

After relatively quiet proceedings last year, Thursday's meeting, thanks to the outspokenness of UMass Chancellor Kumble R. Subbaswamy, was decidedly more eventful.

Essentially, the Chancellor's stance boiled down to this – he's grown tired of battling his own faculty over the issue of football. The decision to move to the FBS wasn't his, but Subbaswamy has been at the forefront of the move's defense and it's apparently begun to wear on him.

In responding to the statements of Page – who again questioned the move, describing the past three years as a "sunk cost' – it was clear that Subbaswamy was becoming annoyed as he spoke.

"This is at least the fourth or fifth time I'm hearing Senator Page speak on this subject," he said. "Even today, his intentions are very clear."

Page hasn't exactly hidden his anti-football intentions over the years, but Thursday it appeared things were coming to a point for the Chancellor.

When a motion was put forth midway through the session to determine whether the Rules Committee should be requested to poll the university's faculty to determine the level of support for FBS football, Subbaswamy responded in an uncharacteristically animated fashion, reaffirming that he holds the final say on the situation because "Ultimately, the decision is not up to the Senate."

"Whatever it is that you find out from that poll is non-binding and does not have any impact on what I decide to do or not to do about FBS football," he said. "I will eventually always make the decision that I think is in the best interest of this campus based on all the information I have available. And so, this process of gathering information is, in my opinion, more harmful than helpful."

Subbaswamy posed a question to the Senate asking if a faculty survey "really serves any purpose" before making a personal plea to avoid splintering within university ranks.

"Do you want to make your chancellor, who is working so hard to make this campus a top-20 academically-recognized campus, into someone who is in a war with his own faculty? Is that an accurate depiction?," he said. "That is what the (Boston) Globe will write, which is what The Republican will write, which is what everyone will write because, of course, they are hungry for these stories. Do you really want that to be the story for the next six months?

"That's your call. I will continue to work hard no matter what. I will try to work against the negativity that will be written about because of this vote. Nothing else, but because of this vote. If you want to do so, that is your prerogative. I urge you not to do so. I fully understand that it your prerogative. No matter how you vote, I'm going to work day and night to advance this campus."


Subbaswamy spoke twice during the session. When Page rose to question deliberations over whether a faculty poll should be requested, the Chancellor quickly packed up and left in a hurry. He could not be reached for further comment.

Even so, the Chancellor's plea was heard. When the poll question was finally brought to a vote, it failed to pass (but only after a standing count was made). At that time, Page packed up and left.

Page said the request for a faculty poll on FBS football was a "perfectly legitimate thing for the Faculty Senate to discuss and one way to find out more what the faculty thinks."

"I will admit I’m surprised that there’s such terror about getting information. I don’t quite get that. The notion that if we know more, that it somehow undermines (the Chancellor), that doesn't make much sense," he said, adding that Subbaswamy "clearly feels strongly" about the situation.

"I respect that he feels we're on the move, which we are in a lot of ways, and he doesn't want any sense of opposition. If I were an administrator, I would also not want opposition, I would not want ripples," Page said. "And I want to be very clear, this is not opposition to him. He would not want waves of discontent, I respect that. That's not the job of the Faculty Senate. The Faculty Senate's job is to think about what to debate and what's of interest to the campus.

"So when we start to say 'All right, let's check in with the Chancellor and see if he likes us to even talk about this issue,' that undermines the idea of the university democracy, where you have faculty debating issues."

http://www.masslive.com/umassfootball/in..._late.html
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(04-27-2016 02:47 PM)MTowho Wrote:  If you need some donor to buy 10,000 tickets to make sure you stay at FBS, you could do it. It would just be an accounting exercise.
That's exactly how half the MAC get through (and add corporate sponsors to the list too. Pepsi buys a lot of EMU tickets for example. http://www.annarbor.com/sports/budget-sh...epartment/)
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(04-27-2016 12:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Others will follow in the next few years.

Still think now maybe EMU has an out and ULM should be next with only a $12 million budget that includes football.

ULM isn't going anywhere...
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The only schools who will drop from FBS are ones who are gonna drop football completely and try to turn into basketball schools. Hawaii and UMass are really the only two schools that jump out at me as ones that might tap out. Hawaii because it's just so geographically isolated and UMass because they're really a basketball school already and the northeast doesn't care about college football. I'd wager that anything northeast of Pennsylvania doesn't even have college football on it's radar.
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(04-27-2016 04:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see several FBS programs drop down to FCS or discontinue football entirely in the near future. The P5 hoards all of the money and smallest guys will be squeezed out. It's probably for the best. The G5 is diluted by the weaklings. Many of them need to go, so the rest of us have a reasonable chance of surviving and elevating ourselves. The weakest programs are a strain on the rest of us. I have a bad feeling that schools like Troy, ULM, EMU, NMSU, Hawaii, and six or seven others are in real trouble.

And logically, it would follow that several of the "who cares?" bowl games would hopefully disappear, right?
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(04-27-2016 09:28 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  The only schools who will drop from FBS are ones who are gonna drop football completely and try to turn into basketball schools. Hawaii and UMass are really the only two schools that jump out at me as ones that might tap out. Hawaii because it's just so geographically isolated and UMass because they're really a basketball school already and the northeast doesn't care about college football. I'd wager that anything northeast of Pennsylvania doesn't even have college football on it's radar.

NMSU should too. They are geographically isolated and they are a basketball school. Or atleast drop to FCS.

EMU should drop football completely, but not sure if they will. I can find a brightside for just about any program, but they are a complete and total disaster with no hope of turning it around.
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(04-27-2016 09:28 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  The only schools who will drop from FBS are ones who are gonna drop football completely and try to turn into basketball schools. Hawaii and UMass are really the only two schools that jump out at me as ones that might tap out. Hawaii because it's just so geographically isolated and UMass because they're really a basketball school already and the northeast doesn't care about college football. I'd wager that anything northeast of Pennsylvania doesn't even have college football on it's radar.

I think I read somewhere that football at Hawaii may not even be sustainable. The cost of travelling, the lone plane rides to the nearest NCAA school, the cost of bringing schools in, the fact that their stadium is aging and is far from the main campus/fan base and their fans don't show up anymore. I used to love watching Colt Brennan play but it seems like those days are long gone and they may not be able to reach that point again
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(04-28-2016 12:29 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 04:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see several FBS programs drop down to FCS or discontinue football entirely in the near future. The P5 hoards all of the money and smallest guys will be squeezed out. It's probably for the best. The G5 is diluted by the weaklings. Many of them need to go, so the rest of us have a reasonable chance of surviving and elevating ourselves. The weakest programs are a strain on the rest of us. I have a bad feeling that schools like Troy, ULM, EMU, NMSU, Hawaii, and six or seven others are in real trouble.

And logically, it would follow that several of the "who cares?" bowl games would hopefully disappear, right?

Hopefully.
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(04-27-2016 05:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 04:57 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see several FBS programs drop down to FCS or discontinue football entirely in the near future. The P5 hoards all of the money and smallest guys will be squeezed out. It's probably for the best. The G5 is diluted by the weaklings. Many of them need to go, so the rest of us have a reasonable chance of surviving and elevating ourselves. The weakest programs are a strain on the rest of us. I have a bad feeling that schools like Troy, ULM, EMU, NMSU, Hawaii, and six or seven others are in real trouble.

For the "best"? Who's?

Certainly not for students, alumni and fans of those schools.

Let's just shut 'em all down and let the P5 play each other and see how much they like 4 game seasons.

It sucks for the schools' fans, but it's life. Teams that aren't supported and who are a drag on the rest of us will slowly disappear. They screw up our RPI, devalue TV contracts, and hurt the image of our conferences.
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(04-27-2016 03:37 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:28 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 12:15 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  1 is not a trend.

Hence the word "started'? I didn't say, "The trend continues".04-cheers

There will not be a #2.

so no

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(04-28-2016 06:33 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 09:28 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  The only schools who will drop from FBS are ones who are gonna drop football completely and try to turn into basketball schools. Hawaii and UMass are really the only two schools that jump out at me as ones that might tap out. Hawaii because it's just so geographically isolated and UMass because they're really a basketball school already and the northeast doesn't care about college football. I'd wager that anything northeast of Pennsylvania doesn't even have college football on it's radar.

I think I read somewhere that football at Hawaii may not even be sustainable. The cost of travelling, the lone plane rides to the nearest NCAA school, the cost of bringing schools in, the fact that their stadium is aging and is far from the main campus/fan base and their fans don't show up anymore. I used to love watching Colt Brennan play but it seems like those days are long gone and they may not be able to reach that point again

I think that has changed with the latest ncaa approval giving Hawaii scheduling help. Any school playing at Hawaii can schedule a 13th game, that is not a change, but now those schools can also schedule a game a week earlier than the normal start of the season. This allows those schools to get their 13th game and keep their open date during the season and also have the likelihood of getting that early game on tv. Hawaii might even consider independence due to this rule change.
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(04-28-2016 08:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(04-28-2016 06:33 AM)MonGNARch Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 09:28 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  The only schools who will drop from FBS are ones who are gonna drop football completely and try to turn into basketball schools. Hawaii and UMass are really the only two schools that jump out at me as ones that might tap out. Hawaii because it's just so geographically isolated and UMass because they're really a basketball school already and the northeast doesn't care about college football. I'd wager that anything northeast of Pennsylvania doesn't even have college football on it's radar.

I think I read somewhere that football at Hawaii may not even be sustainable. The cost of travelling, the lone plane rides to the nearest NCAA school, the cost of bringing schools in, the fact that their stadium is aging and is far from the main campus/fan base and their fans don't show up anymore. I used to love watching Colt Brennan play but it seems like those days are long gone and they may not be able to reach that point again

I think that has changed with the latest ncaa approval giving Hawaii scheduling help. Any school playing at Hawaii can schedule a 13th game, that is not a change, but now those schools can also schedule a game a week earlier than the normal start of the season. This allows those schools to get their 13th game and keep their open date during the season and also have the likelihood of getting that early game on tv. Hawaii might even consider independence due to this rule change.

I really, really hope that Hawaii makes it. I have an affinity for them from our WAC days together. When I'm up late on a Saturday night, I can always depend on a Hawaii game coming on to fill the void. I've always liked those guys, and I remember well Timmy Chan and Colt Brennan. Those guys could really sling the ball. I hope Hawaii can hang on.
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(04-27-2016 12:17 PM)wh49er Wrote:  Has the UNC scandal taught you anything? The NCAA doesn't enforce rules on P5 schools.

Fixed It For You.

The UNC debacle was so bad that ODU's Donte Hill lost another year of eligibility.
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