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(04-27-2016 02:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(04-27-2016 01:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  A salary cap (or spending cap) would be difficult to pass, but may become absolutely necessary at some point. Schools have shown little to no signs of self control!
but those schools are going to agree to a salary cap?

Also didn't they try that before with an asst coach salary cap- to only get defeated in court?

Right. They can't do a salary cap.

Professional sports teams have salary caps and those have stood up in court...

for players. Coaches don't though. It's a pipe dream if you really think there is any chance of a salary cap for coaches.

When the WR Coach makes more than the AD and Chancellor I think you might have some folks start to question.
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yep, starting to follow the path of baseball.
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(04-27-2016 11:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the big thing that is going to change will be with the coaches. You're going to see assistant coaches salaries sky rocket. More moves like what happened where BC's DC got poached by Michigan.

For some schools you are correct, and this is already happening. Other schools aren't putting money back into facilities or coaches, and it is hurting them.

I'm not sure that even with an extra $15M a year, you will see Wisconsin in this arms race as long as Alvarez is in charge.
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(04-27-2016 01:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 01:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing with assistant coaches- generally speaking if you're a good assistant at 1 place, you're going to be a good assistant anywhere. So there's not going to be as much wasted money as you are making it out to be.....

good luck with a salary cap for spending.

A salary cap (or spending cap) would be difficult to pass, but may become absolutely necessary at some point. Schools have shown little to no signs of self control!
Self-control?

Athletic Departments are "not for profit" activities, so they only way to control more of the revenue that they bring in is to find ways to increase their costs. And then because of the "arms-race", the costs that generate a slender surplus for the highest income programs generate losses for everyone else as they race to keep up with the Jones's.

Of course they lack self-control ... they have strong incentives to lack self-control.

(04-27-2016 02:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Professional sports teams have salary caps and those have stood up in court...
In a collective bargaining agreements with the Player's Unions. Those are not imposed caps, they are agreed to caps.
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(04-27-2016 05:51 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  yep, starting to follow the path of baseball.

You mean the sport with all the parity? The one where the smallest media market is the World Champion?
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(04-27-2016 11:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the big thing that is going to change will be with the coaches. You're going to see assistant coaches salaries sky rocket. More moves like what happened where BC's DC got poached by Michigan.

I don't think Big Ten coaches will start all of a sudden paying more than the NFL, which would be the case if this comes to fruition. Simply put, the extra money is good, but by and large it will start flowing back to the university as a whole, as most of the major conferences already are at the point, where they have to almost literally create things to spend money on.
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(04-27-2016 12:58 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Personally, I'd like to see the NCAA invoke a salary cap for spending (by sport). That would do more to ensure a level playing field than all of the recruiting rules they have combined.

They used to have one. Well sort of. There used to be a restricted earnings coach, for example. They got sued, lost badly, and had to pay up.
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(04-27-2016 10:55 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Unless Delaney is writing you a check for it, the number really doesn't matter. Then again if you get all excited about that kind of thing, maybe you fantasize it; to each his own I guess.

Aside from Ohio State, the rest of the Big Ten, big dollars or not, is not very competitive. Dollars are yet to equate to championships.

Perhaps I speak from a more informed position because I grew up around the boredom that is Big Ten athletics but the conference has always had these advantages. They have done nothing with them except manage to be The SEC's ***** on the field where it matters.

Until they change that, the size of their bank account doesn't matter.

CJ

I fear you have the cart before the horse: Money *is* the bottom line in college athletics, not winning. Winning is just an ego trip, it's for fans to get drunk and buy commemorative t-shirts. But it only means something if it translates into money.

But far, far better to be Notre Dame, with zero BCS bowl wins past 20 years, than Boise, with 3 or 4. Money is the reason organized football exists.
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(04-28-2016 01:03 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 11:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the big thing that is going to change will be with the coaches. You're going to see assistant coaches salaries sky rocket. More moves like what happened where BC's DC got poached by Michigan.

I don't think Big Ten coaches will start all of a sudden paying more than the NFL, which would be the case if this comes to fruition. Simply put, the extra money is good, but by and large it will start flowing back to the university as a whole, as most of the major conferences already are at the point, where they have to almost literally create things to spend money on.

I see no evidence of diminishing returns when it comes to athletics spending. Not a whit of it. IMO, it is just wishful thinking of schools that aren't making much money.

Every single cost you can think of associated with athletics - from coaches, to staff, to academic support, to facilities - everything, all of it, can be improved, and can cost more money.
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(04-28-2016 03:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(04-27-2016 11:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the big thing that is going to change will be with the coaches. You're going to see assistant coaches salaries sky rocket. More moves like what happened where BC's DC got poached by Michigan.

I don't think Big Ten coaches will start all of a sudden paying more than the NFL, which would be the case if this comes to fruition. Simply put, the extra money is good, but by and large it will start flowing back to the university as a whole, as most of the major conferences already are at the point, where they have to almost literally create things to spend money on.

I see no evidence of diminishing returns when it comes to athletics spending. Not a whit of it. IMO, it is just wishful thinking of schools that aren't making much money.

Every single cost you can think of associated with athletics - from coaches, to staff, to academic support, to facilities - everything, all of it, can be improved, and can cost more money.

There are the blue blood football schools. They spend and they make the most money.

Could a school like Washington State throw enough money at football that they could become the next Oregon? That I doubt highly.

Its usually the most powerful state school in the state which has the best football team.

Virginia Tech and K-State had great coaches to become the football school for their state.

Florida State has proved to have staying power like Florida among the elite.

Cal and UCLA are overshadowed by Stanford and USC.

There are a few examples out there but long term the #1 state school has the edge.
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(04-28-2016 07:13 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(04-28-2016 03:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-28-2016 01:03 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(04-27-2016 11:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the big thing that is going to change will be with the coaches. You're going to see assistant coaches salaries sky rocket. More moves like what happened where BC's DC got poached by Michigan.

I don't think Big Ten coaches will start all of a sudden paying more than the NFL, which would be the case if this comes to fruition. Simply put, the extra money is good, but by and large it will start flowing back to the university as a whole, as most of the major conferences already are at the point, where they have to almost literally create things to spend money on.

I see no evidence of diminishing returns when it comes to athletics spending. Not a whit of it. IMO, it is just wishful thinking of schools that aren't making much money.

Every single cost you can think of associated with athletics - from coaches, to staff, to academic support, to facilities - everything, all of it, can be improved, and can cost more money.

There are the blue blood football schools. They spend and they make the most money.

Could a school like Washington State throw enough money at football that they could become the next Oregon? That I doubt highly.

I agree the odds would be against it, but then again, how did Oregon rise up to football power status? Precisely by throwing a bazillion dollars at it ...
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