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(06-22-2016 10:10 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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I'd rather beat Florida in the swamp for the first time by and FCS team in history and take Georgia to overtime in Athens and blowing out Bowling green MAC champs with greatest point total in conference bowl history with less than a full FBS roster over eking out a W over Kent state at number 10. Where is Kent state anyway?04-cheers


Kent State won the Mac, was ranked, had Dri Archer at RB, and have been garbage after that coach left.

So yeah, it was a hell of a win.


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(06-22-2016 09:49 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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Are you saying that APP and Georgia Southern folks are saying stAte sucks vs non-conference teams but neither can produce 2 better non-conference wins since 2012? I'll hang up and listen . . .


App doesn't have a better one for sure. I'll give Ga Southern the Swamp.


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(06-22-2016 10:29 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:49 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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Are you saying that APP and Georgia Southern folks are saying stAte sucks vs non-conference teams but neither can produce 2 better non-conference wins since 2012? I'll hang up and listen . . .


App doesn't have a better one for sure. I'll give Ga Southern the Swamp.


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Does Southern's even count considering they were in the SOCon at the time? It's sort of like the question of whether or not the SBC gets to count Coastal's CWS trip this year even though they are still technically in the Big South for one more week.
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(06-22-2016 10:27 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 10:10 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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I'd rather beat Florida in the swamp for the first time by and FCS team in history and take Georgia to overtime in Athens and blowing out Bowling green MAC champs with greatest point total in conference bowl history with less than a full FBS roster over eking out a W over Kent state at number 10. Where is Kent state anyway?04-cheers


Kent State won the Mac, was ranked, had Dri Archer at RB, and have been garbage after that coach left.

So yeah, it was a hell of a win.


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Kent State has one MAC FB Championship(1972). NIU won the MACC in 2012 and played Florida State in the Orange Bowl.
UF was an injury depleted 4 win team that lost its last 7 games in a row in 2013. The 2012 Kent State(11-3) that lost the Bowl game to Arkansas State was better than the banged up 2013 Gators(4-8) at the end of their season.
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Injury depleted. Um, yeah. That was the 2014 Eagles in the Swamp. Take a look at the score from the previous week in Columbia against the best team the Lamecocks have ever put on the field.
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(06-23-2016 12:34 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 10:29 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:49 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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Are you saying that APP and Georgia Southern folks are saying stAte sucks vs non-conference teams but neither can produce 2 better non-conference wins since 2012? I'll hang up and listen . . .


App doesn't have a better one for sure. I'll give Ga Southern the Swamp.


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Does Southern's even count considering they were in the SOCon at the time? It's sort of like the question of whether or not the SBC gets to count Coastal's CWS trip this year even though they are still technically in the Big South for one more week.

Well if I were you I would vote no GS doesn't count. We seem to get left out of a few convenient calculations around here.
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(06-23-2016 02:56 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 10:27 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 10:10 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-22-2016 09:01 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  One thing constantly overlooked, but the win over 10-4 Utah State was probably the best win in the league OOC games in the last two years.

Hell, going further back, our win over #25 Kent State in 2012 Godaddy is probably top 3 win in league history.

But yeah, we suck at OOC all the time.


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I'd rather beat Florida in the swamp for the first time by and FCS team in history and take Georgia to overtime in Athens and blowing out Bowling green MAC champs with greatest point total in conference bowl history with less than a full FBS roster over eking out a W over Kent state at number 10. Where is Kent state anyway?04-cheers


Kent State won the Mac, was ranked, had Dri Archer at RB, and have been garbage after that coach left.

So yeah, it was a hell of a win.


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Kent State has one MAC FB Championship(1972). NIU won the MACC in 2012 and played Florida State in the Orange Bowl.
UF was an injury depleted 4 win team that lost its last 7 games in a row in 2013. The 2012 Kent State(11-3) that lost the Bowl game to Arkansas State was better than the banged up 2013 Gators(4-8) at the end of their season.

Yea the media harped on that pretty good despite the fact that GS had more injuries. Given we're able to discount so much in this opinion thread I'd rather see GS take Ga Tech and NC state to the wire and put up the seasons highest offensive production against Bama in 2011 with an FCS roster.

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No. Just stop. Beating a ranked team no matter who it is trumps an "almost win" every time.

And for goodness sake can we stop mentioning the Bama game. So we ran the ball a lot, good for us. If you don't think for one second those Alabama players weren't focused on the Iron bowl the week after then you're crazy. Saban may have known we were dangerous but the players didn't take us seriously until the 2nd half.
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(06-23-2016 06:44 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  No. Just stop. Beating a ranked team no matter who it is trumps an "almost win" every time.

And for goodness sake can we stop mentioning the Bama game. So we ran the ball a lot, good for us. If you don't think for one second those Alabama players weren't focused on the Iron bowl the week after then you're crazy. Sabah may have known we were dangerous but the players didn't take us seriously until the 2nd half.

I think usa's win at san diego state was also pretty noteworthy. sdsu is often considered pretty big time. they are traveling to alabama so the jags can beat them again this year.
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(06-23-2016 06:44 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  No. Just stop. Beating a ranked team no matter who it is trumps an "almost win" every time.

And for goodness sake can we stop mentioning the Bama game. So we ran the ball a lot, good for us. If you don't think for one second those Alabama players weren't focused on the Iron bowl the week after then you're crazy. Sabah may have known we were dangerous but the players didn't take us seriously until the 2nd half.

Complain all you want, that game probably got more publicity for us than beating a ranked G5 team would have. It was statistically one of the most dominant college defenses ever and we were an FCS team, so of course the idea that we're supposed to win that game and that there are no moral victories is silly talk. I've heard about that game and Saban's rant from non-GS fans that talk with me about GS than maybe any game other than the Florida win itself.

The "they were focused on Auburn" was just a lame excuse. Bama had a chance to make a statement after Oklahoma State (who was ranked higher than them) lost the night before, and Saban usually does a good job preparing against weak opponents anyways.

If you want to take a crap on your own team and downplay accomplishments, at least use the line that Saban struggles against spread option teams and that he refused to schedule us back when he was at LSU. That would at least have some basis in reality and not pretending like you can get inside the minds of Alabama's football players to know how focused they are.

Personally, I don't care about bragging rights on a message board nearly as much as I care about where we are as far as perception regionally. Unlike message boards, I've never ran into anyone IRL who says "blah blah blah moral victories blah blah blah 0-4 in P5 game since moving up blah blah blah". They talk about how thrilling the games against Tech and UGA are and how awesome we are now that we're "division I". Of course, we do need to start winning these games, but at least for now we're on the right track.
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(06-23-2016 07:41 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(06-23-2016 06:44 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  No. Just stop. Beating a ranked team no matter who it is trumps an "almost win" every time.

And for goodness sake can we stop mentioning the Bama game. So we ran the ball a lot, good for us. If you don't think for one second those Alabama players weren't focused on the Iron bowl the week after then you're crazy. Sabah may have known we were dangerous but the players didn't take us seriously until the 2nd half.

Complain all you want, that game probably got more publicity for us than beating a ranked G5 team would have. It was statistically one of the most dominant college defenses ever and we were an FCS team, so of course the idea that we're supposed to win that game and that there are no moral victories is silly talk. I've heard about that game and Saban's rant from non-GS fans that talk with me about GS than maybe any game other than the Florida win itself.

The "they were focused on Auburn" was just a lame excuse. Bama had a chance to make a statement after Oklahoma State (who was ranked higher than them) lost the night before, and Saban usually does a good job preparing against weak opponents anyways.

If you want to take a crap on your own team and downplay accomplishments, at least use the line that Saban struggles against spread option teams and that he refused to schedule us back when he was at LSU. That would at least have some basis in reality and not pretending like you can get inside the minds of Alabama's football players to know how focused they are.

Personally, I don't care about bragging rights on a message board nearly as much as I care about where we are as far as perception regionally. Unlike message boards, I've never ran into anyone IRL who says "blah blah blah moral victories blah blah blah 0-4 in P5 game since moving up blah blah blah". They talk about how thrilling the games against Tech and UGA are and how awesome we are now that we're "division I". Of course, we do need to start winning these games, but at least for now we're on the right track.

Everything you said is relevant, except for the fact that we were comparing wins, and no a 24 point loss to Alabama (regardless of the rushing yards and points we scored) is NOT better than any of the other WINS previously mentioned in this thread.

I was damn proud of the way our Eagles played in Tuscaloosa, but using a 24 point loss as some sort of bragging point a year or two after the game is futile, let alone 5 years later. There was a WHOLE lot of well we ran blah blah blah on Bama right before the NDSU game that year and we got our asses kicked 35-7.
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(06-23-2016 06:44 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  No. Just stop. Beating a ranked team no matter who it is trumps an "almost win" every time.

And for goodness sake can we stop mentioning the Bama game. So we ran the ball a lot, good for us. If you don't think for one second those Alabama players weren't focused on the Iron bowl the week after then you're crazy. Saban may have known we were dangerous but the players didn't take us seriously until the 2nd half.

I agree in part, but the "didn't take us seriously" excuse is lame. I hate it for every team that ever upset someone. App won because UM didn't take them seriously, We ran up and down the field cause Bama didn't take us seriously, Troy, ULM, etc... beat some P5 cause they weren't taken seriously. It's weak.

Using that logic we will ignore (actually we completely block it from our minds) the loss to GSU (in our case, it wasn't really the players, but a coach who was house shopping on the sidelines and instead of practicing he was trying to get recruits to switch to his new team). 05-stirthepot
Also, we apparently didn't take GT seriously until the 2nd half.
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For anyone thats played the game, "taking them seriously" is a fan phrase. You practice hard, you leave it all out there, and you try and beat that guys rear end across from you no matter what uniform he has on because he would do the same to you if you let him.

Its fanspeak. Nothing else.
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Fan speak my ass. The COACHES most certainly take every game seriously, but a bunch of teenagers who most certainly think they are superior to their opponent in every way are not normally as mentally focused during practice as they would be against a heated rival or conference opponent. Disagree all you wan't but I've been in their shoes (albeit on a much smaller scale) and I know what it's like. And there comes a time mid game where the team is putting up more of a fight than you anticipated and suddenly your focus and effort goes up a notch.

Whether you like it or not A win against Auburn in the Iron Bowl is infinitely more important than whether or not they beat us by 7 or by 37. The "we are only focused on this week" is some of the oldest coach speak in the book, IMO. The coaches themselves may be trying to prep the team for that week, but they know good and well their players are distracted.

Edit: Idaho scored more points on Auburn last season than UGA, Louisville, MSST, SJSU, UK, Ole Miss, T A&M, and Alabama.
Ga State scored more points on Oregon than Colorado, Washington, and tied with Cal and Stanford.

I guess we are to assume then that both Idaho and Ga State are better offensively than all of those teams, because if both Auburn and Oregon gave the same amount of effort through 4 quarters in both games as they did against their other opponents then thats the only conclusion you can draw.
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(06-23-2016 07:54 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  I agree in part, but the "didn't take us seriously" excuse is lame. I hate it for every team that ever upset someone. App won because UM didn't take them seriously, We ran up and down the field cause Bama didn't take us seriously, Troy, ULM, etc... beat some P5 cause they weren't taken seriously. It's weak.

It's a valid excuse in most cases. No way Alabama had the same preparation and intensity for ULM as they did for Auburn, or any conference game for that matter. 75% of the time they go into these games vanilla just trying to get to next week. And why not when it works most of the time?
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BTW, this is how I would rank FBS non-conference wins over the last two seasons...

1. USA win over San Diego State (MWC Champs, were they better late in the year than early? Probably, you might could negotiate this one)
2. GS win over Bowling Green (31-point win, MAC champs that won 2 P5 games)
3. StATe win over Utah State (USU was good, but lost to the two best MWC teams that year)
4. GS win over WMU (argument can be made they were the second-best MAC team last year with the head-to-head win over Toledo)
5. App State win over Ohio (beat second-best MAC East team)
6. ULL win over Nevada (beat a decent MWC team by 2 TDs)
7. App State over ODU (obliteration of mid-level CUSA team on the road)
8. ULM win over Wake Forest (win over a bad P5 team, but still a P5 team)
9. App State over Wyoming (win over bad G5 team at the rock)
10. USA win over Kent State (10-point win over bad MAC team)
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(06-23-2016 08:08 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Fan speak my ass. The COACHES most certainly take every game seriously, but a bunch of teenagers who most certainly think they are superior to their opponent in every way are not normally as mentally focused during practice as they would be against a heated rival or conference opponent. Disagree all you wan't but I've been in their shoes (albeit on a much smaller scale) and I know what it's like. And there comes a time mid game where the team is putting up more of a fight than you anticipated and suddenly your focus and effort goes up a notch.

Whether you like it or not A win against Auburn in the Iron Bowl is infinitely more important than whether or not they beat us by 7 or by 37. The "we are only focused on this week" is some of the oldest coach speak in the book, IMO. The coaches themselves may be trying to prep the team for that week, but they know good and well their players are distracted.

Edit: Idaho scored more points on Auburn last season than UGA, Louisville, MSST, SJSU, UK, Ole Miss, T A&M, and Alabama.
Ga State scored more points on Oregon than Colorado, Washington, and tied with Cal and Stanford.

I guess we are to assume then that both Idaho and Ga State are better offensively than all of those teams, because if both Auburn and Oregon gave the same amount of effort through 4 quarters in both games as they did against their other opponents then thats the only conclusion you can draw.

If you're the coach, it's your job to not get the team complacent against weaker opponents. I've seen us come out swinging very early consistently against weak opponents with Paul Johnson and Jeff Monken coaching. Alabama for the most part does the same thing with their weakest opponents. No good coach allows players to slack off just because it's the week of the cupcake game.
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(06-23-2016 08:24 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(06-23-2016 08:08 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Fan speak my ass. The COACHES most certainly take every game seriously, but a bunch of teenagers who most certainly think they are superior to their opponent in every way are not normally as mentally focused during practice as they would be against a heated rival or conference opponent. Disagree all you wan't but I've been in their shoes (albeit on a much smaller scale) and I know what it's like. And there comes a time mid game where the team is putting up more of a fight than you anticipated and suddenly your focus and effort goes up a notch.

Whether you like it or not A win against Auburn in the Iron Bowl is infinitely more important than whether or not they beat us by 7 or by 37. The "we are only focused on this week" is some of the oldest coach speak in the book, IMO. The coaches themselves may be trying to prep the team for that week, but they know good and well their players are distracted.

Edit: Idaho scored more points on Auburn last season than UGA, Louisville, MSST, SJSU, UK, Ole Miss, T A&M, and Alabama.
Ga State scored more points on Oregon than Colorado, Washington, and tied with Cal and Stanford.

I guess we are to assume then that both Idaho and Ga State are better offensively than all of those teams, because if both Auburn and Oregon gave the same amount of effort through 4 quarters in both games as they did against their other opponents then thats the only conclusion you can draw.

If you're the coach, it's your job to not get the team complacent against weaker opponents. I've seen us come out swinging very early consistently against weak opponents with Paul Johnson and Jeff Monken coaching. Alabama for the most part does the same thing with their weakest opponents. No good coach allows players to slack off just because it's the week of the cupcake game.

No coach period can completely control the minds of over 100 college guys at any given time. No way in hell Saban or Meyer can convince his team to tune into practice for 3-7 Idaho from the Sun Belt the same way they do for 10-1 #2 Alabama a week later. And I can almost guarantee you during Iron Bowl week they are in the screening rooms watching extra film. I'm going to doubt they are doing that for Idaho (sorry Idaho).

Sorry to highjack the thread. I'm done. GO SBC!
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(06-23-2016 06:44 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  No. Just stop. Beating a ranked team no matter who it is trumps an "almost win" every time.

And for goodness sake can we stop mentioning the Bama game. So we ran the ball a lot, good for us. If you don't think for one second those Alabama players weren't focused on the Iron bowl the week after then you're crazy. Saban may have known we were dangerous but the players didn't take us seriously until the 2nd half.


Meh. Fine. Let's just take the last two years and ask who has contributed more to the image of the conference as a body of work? I like that question better.

Please stop making excuses for Alabama and Florida and Georgia and Ga Tech and NC state and .....
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