(04-26-2016 01:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  Here's the part I don't get. The NCAA isn't some entity distinct from its members. It can't do anything the members don't want. So if the NCAA isn't coming down on UNC (or Ohio State, Southern Cal, etc) as hard as fans here would like, it's probably because the schools they root for don't want them to. So, why are all these schools acting against what their fans think is their own self interest?

Maybe the fans just don't understand what their self interest is.

Or maybe there isn't a consensus. Issues could be good for a slight majority of schools and bad for a loud minority.

(04-26-2016 02:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 01:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  Here's the part I don't get. The NCAA isn't some entity distinct from its members. It can't do anything the members don't want. So if the NCAA isn't coming down on UNC (or Ohio State, Southern Cal, etc) as hard as fans here would like, it's probably because the schools they root for don't want them to. So, why are all these schools acting against what their fans think is their own self interest?

Maybe the fans just don't understand what their self interest is.

Or maybe there isn't a consensus. Issues could be good for a slight majority of schools and bad for a loud minority.

I don't see that issues are the issue here. Consensus? How many fans do you know who argue that NCAA discipline is "fair and balanced"? When someone repeats a stale joke about some small school taking the brunt of the NCAA's wrath against some blue blood, who doesn't nod in agreement?

What you don't see are the peers of those blue bloods - the Clemsons and SMU's - doing something about it. Having lived in North Carolina for more than 40 years, all I've ever heard is how UNC gets favored treatment by the ACC. They are now only 1 out of 15 members of that league, not 1 of 7 or 8 like in the old days. Why do 14 schools acquiesce in what their fans claim is blatant bias in officiating, scheduling, whatever? Why do they let it happen (if, indeed, it is happening) like sheep? Or is it that those schools don't share the animus of their fans toward Carolina?

Like I said - I don't get it. Is Carolina the J. Edgar Hoover of the NCAA, with dirt on all their peers that nobody wants to see exposed? What is everybody afraid of?

(04-26-2016 04:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 01:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  Here's the part I don't get. The NCAA isn't some entity distinct from its members. It can't do anything the members don't want. So if the NCAA isn't coming down on UNC (or Ohio State, Southern Cal, etc) as hard as fans here would like, it's probably because the schools they root for don't want them to. So, why are all these schools acting against what their fans think is their own self interest?

Maybe the fans just don't understand what their self interest is.

Or maybe there isn't a consensus. Issues could be good for a slight majority of schools and bad for a loud minority.

I don't see that issues are the issue here. Consensus? How many fans do you know who argue that NCAA discipline is "fair and balanced"? When someone repeats a stale joke about some small school taking the brunt of the NCAA's wrath against some blue blood, who doesn't nod in agreement?

What you don't see are the peers of those blue bloods - the Clemsons and SMU's - doing something about it. Having lived in North Carolina for more than 40 years, all I've ever heard is how UNC gets favored treatment by the ACC. They are now only 1 out of 15 members of that league, not 1 of 7 or 8 like in the old days. Why do 14 schools acquiesce in what their fans claim is blatant bias in officiating, scheduling, whatever? Why do they let it happen (if, indeed, it is happening) like sheep? Or is it that those schools don't share the animus of their fans toward Carolina?

Like I said - I don't get it. Is Carolina the J. Edgar Hoover of the NCAA, with dirt on all their peers that nobody wants to see exposed? What is everybody afraid of?

Look at the presidents of the various universities. There will be an overwhelming number from the AAU schools. Even more towards a subset of that-the Ivy League, a few top privates like Stanford and the top 10-15 large state publics, schools like Cal, Illinois, Michigan, North Carolina.

(04-26-2016 04:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 02:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 01:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  Here's the part I don't get. The NCAA isn't some entity distinct from its members. It can't do anything the members don't want. So if the NCAA isn't coming down on UNC (or Ohio State, Southern Cal, etc) as hard as fans here would like, it's probably because the schools they root for don't want them to. So, why are all these schools acting against what their fans think is their own self interest?

Maybe the fans just don't understand what their self interest is.

Or maybe there isn't a consensus. Issues could be good for a slight majority of schools and bad for a loud minority.

I don't see that issues are the issue here. Consensus? How many fans do you know who argue that NCAA discipline is "fair and balanced"? When someone repeats a stale joke about some small school taking the brunt of the NCAA's wrath against some blue blood, who doesn't nod in agreement?

What you don't see are the peers of those blue bloods - the Clemsons and SMU's - doing something about it. Having lived in North Carolina for more than 40 years, all I've ever heard is how UNC gets favored treatment by the ACC. They are now only 1 out of 15 members of that league, not 1 of 7 or 8 like in the old days. Why do 14 schools acquiesce in what their fans claim is blatant bias in officiating, scheduling, whatever? Why do they let it happen (if, indeed, it is happening) like sheep? Or is it that those schools don't share the animus of their fans toward Carolina?

Like I said - I don't get it. Is Carolina the J. Edgar Hoover of the NCAA, with dirt on all their peers that nobody wants to see exposed? What is everybody afraid of?

Nobody has to think it's fair and balanced. People only have to think that the punishments are too severe and/or have no opinion about him.

EDIT: Upon rereading your original post, I now realize that your basic point is that there's a disconnect between many fans and the schools that they like. I can agree with that.