(04-28-2016 09:36 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  If CUSA or the MAC are in a position to add a school, that school will be JMU.

we have been on deck for both conferences for awhile, and will absolutely accept an invite from either league.

Unfortunately I think JMU's window has shut. No conference wants a move-up FCS team anymore when there are FBS teams already available for their conference. JMU should have moved up when they had the chance instead of sticking their noses in the air at the SunBelt invite. App State, Ark State, and Ga State are far ahead in line for CUSA compared to JMU and that's even if those schools still want to leave at this point. JMU's destiny is now in the FCS.

(04-28-2016 09:36 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  If CUSA or the MAC are in a position to add a school, that school will be JMU.

we have been on deck for both conferences for awhile, and will absolutely accept an invite from either league.

. . . and "on deck" is where you'll be for a long, long time to come . . .

(04-28-2016 09:59 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(04-28-2016 09:36 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  If CUSA or the MAC are in a position to add a school, that school will be JMU.

we have been on deck for both conferences for awhile, and will absolutely accept an invite from either league.

. . . and "on deck" is where you'll be for a long, long time to come . . .

The question is, if App goes and the Sunbelt tries JMU again, does anyone think they would accept seeing there isn't many opportunities in the future?

(04-28-2016 08:36 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I can believe the AAC might be interested in Southern Miss, UTEP not as much so. Media markets just don't seem to interest the AAC as much as they do CUSA (yeah, there's Tulane, but they are the only team in the AAC that is a media market and nothing else).

I'm also not really sure any Big 12 or AAC expansion will trickle down to the Sun Belt. Surely CUSA is at least starting to have doubts as to whether or not they made the right choice with their latest expansions.

I don't believe anybody's implying UTEP is a potential AAC target. If CUSA is stuck at 13 they add 1 from the sun belt. Then nmsu joins, right?

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(04-28-2016 09:47 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(04-28-2016 09:36 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  If CUSA or the MAC are in a position to add a school, that school will be JMU.

we have been on deck for both conferences for awhile, and will absolutely accept an invite from either league.

Unfortunately I think JMU's window has shut. No conference wants a move-up FCS team anymore when there are FBS teams already available for their conference. JMU should have moved up when they had the chance instead of sticking their noses in the air at the SunBelt invite. App State, Ark State, and Ga State are far ahead in line for CUSA compared to JMU and that's even if those schools still want to leave at this point. JMU's destiny is now in the FCS.

I'm pretty sure they also voted to NOT pay COA... That pretty much seals their fate in FBS IMHO.

(04-28-2016 09:36 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  If CUSA or the MAC are in a position to add a school, that school will be JMU.

we have been on deck for both conferences for awhile, and will absolutely accept an invite from either league.

No.

(04-28-2016 09:36 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  If CUSA or the MAC are in a position to add a school, that school will be JMU.

we have been on deck for both conferences for awhile, and will absolutely accept an invite from either league.

If the MAC needs *two* schools, I could see JMU getting a call. If CUSA needs a school, JMU won't be getting the call. CUSA will not add a FCS move up at this point, as they have options already within their footprint, with App State, Georgia State, and Arkansas State all being popular options.

JMU is coming to a dead end road now, as they put their noses in the air to the Sun Belt and now its coming back to bite them. If CUSA lost UTEP to the MWC, look for them to either stand pat or add one of App State or Arkansas State.

(04-28-2016 11:52 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(04-28-2016 09:36 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  If CUSA or the MAC are in a position to add a school, that school will be JMU.

we have been on deck for both conferences for awhile, and will absolutely accept an invite from either league.

If the MAC needs *two* schools, I could see JMU getting a call. If CUSA needs a school, JMU won't be getting the call. CUSA will not add a FCS move up at this point, as they have options already within their footprint, with App State, Georgia State, and Arkansas State all being popular options.

JMU is coming to a dead end road now, as they put their noses in the air to the Sun Belt and now its coming back to bite them. If CUSA lost UTEP to the MWC, look for them to either stand pat or add one of App State or Arkansas State.

My guess is if we lose one school (say UTEP to MWC), I think we would wait and see what would happen with the whole "USM to the AAC" rumor. If USM leaves, then I'm pretty sure we'd stay at 12. But rknj is correct... We have too many startups as it is.

(04-26-2016 10:48 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Eventually I think the SunBelt, CUSA, and the MWC are all going to reorganize into better geographically sound conferences. It just makes too much sense especially in an inevitable G5/P5 split. The AAC doesn't need to reshuffle teams and the MAC is already geographically sound for the most part. The other three would reshuffle into this:

The MWC: Air Force, Boise State, Cal State, UNM, NMST, UNLV, UN Reno, SDSU, Colorado State, Utah State, Wyoming, UTEP

The SunBelt: UTSA, North Texas, TXST, Rice, Arkansas St, ULL, ULM, LaTech, Southern Miss, Missouri State, UAB, South Alabama

CUSA: Marshall, ODU, WKU, MTSU, App, UNCC, Coastal, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Troy, FIU, FAU

All leagues have 12 teams, all teams with old rivals and close to eachother, NMST gets an FBS home, just makes too much sense.

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought out objection...

Overruled.

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(04-26-2016 10:48 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  The SunBelt: UTSA, North Texas, TXST, Rice, Arkansas St, ULL, ULM, LaTech, Southern Miss, Missouri State, UAB, South Alabama

All leagues have 12 teams, all teams with old rivals and close to each other, NMST gets an FBS home, just makes too much sense.

Please show me where Rice's old rivals are. I see none in that group.

LaTech and ULM are old rivals, but LaTech never will be part of a conference with ULM again.

I don't see it happening, but I think JMU's best bet is pairing with Liberty and moving to the MAC. Right or wrong, I don't think the MAC really wants to be associated with the Liberty stigma neither does JMU. They've weathered the expansion storm by hunkering down and I don't see that changing.

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(04-28-2016 03:43 PM)Lakebound Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:48 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  The SunBelt: UTSA, North Texas, TXST, Rice, Arkansas St, ULL, ULM, LaTech, Southern Miss, Missouri State, UAB, South Alabama

All leagues have 12 teams, all teams with old rivals and close to each other, NMST gets an FBS home, just makes too much sense.

Please show me where Rice's old rivals are. I see none in that group.

LaTech and ULM are old rivals, but LaTech never will be part of a conference with ULM again.

Sounds like LaTech fans are going to have to get over themselves or become independent, and if Rice doesn't want to be in a conference with a majority of the schools in their own back yard and save hundreds of thousands in travel costs, that's their own fault same as LaTech.

If I had my way, I want the Sun Belt to become a league that we may poach a CUSA team or two. The only way that will happen, is for all to stick together. The problem is that if one in the SBC says no, someone else will say yes.

(04-28-2016 04:17 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  If I had my way, I want the Sun Belt to become a league that we may poach a CUSA team or two. The only way that will happen, is for all to stick together. The problem is that if one in the SBC says no, someone else will say yes.

If the right schools stick together then it should be fine. The Sun Belt has two nice regional divisions and that should be seen as a benefit of the SBC.

The TV money in the SBC isn't great but should be improved in next cycle. So what is the advantage that CUSA has over the Sun Belt? Not much it seems. They are preparing for $600-$700K drop in TV revenue per school. Then add in that extra travel and likely increase in SBC Tv revenue. CUSA has some more well-known schools but I think the SBC is poised to surpass them as a football league.

ODU budgets for at least a $600,000 reduction in TV revenues
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(04-28-2016 04:01 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(04-28-2016 03:43 PM)Lakebound Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:48 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  The SunBelt: UTSA, North Texas, TXST, Rice, Arkansas St, ULL, ULM, LaTech, Southern Miss, Missouri State, UAB, South Alabama

All leagues have 12 teams, all teams with old rivals and close to each other, NMST gets an FBS home, just makes too much sense.

Please show me where Rice's old rivals are. I see none in that group.

LaTech and ULM are old rivals, but LaTech never will be part of a conference with ULM again.

Sounds like LaTech fans are going to have to get over themselves or become independent, and if Rice doesn't want to be in a conference with a majority of the schools in their own back yard and save hundreds of thousands in travel costs, that's their own fault same as LaTech.

Rice can afford their travel costs . . . They're not hurting for money. . . .

(04-28-2016 04:48 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(04-28-2016 04:01 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(04-28-2016 03:43 PM)Lakebound Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:48 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  The SunBelt: UTSA, North Texas, TXST, Rice, Arkansas St, ULL, ULM, LaTech, Southern Miss, Missouri State, UAB, South Alabama

All leagues have 12 teams, all teams with old rivals and close to each other, NMST gets an FBS home, just makes too much sense.

Please show me where Rice's old rivals are. I see none in that group.

LaTech and ULM are old rivals, but LaTech never will be part of a conference with ULM again.

Sounds like LaTech fans are going to have to get over themselves or become independent, and if Rice doesn't want to be in a conference with a majority of the schools in their own back yard and save hundreds of thousands in travel costs, that's their own fault same as LaTech.

Rice can afford their travel costs . . . They're not hurting for money. . . .

right. and Rice's old rivals are tcu smu baylor and ut-austin...not la-tech

(04-28-2016 04:01 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(04-28-2016 03:43 PM)Lakebound Wrote:  

(04-26-2016 10:48 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  The SunBelt: UTSA, North Texas, TXST, Rice, Arkansas St, ULL, ULM, LaTech, Southern Miss, Missouri State, UAB, South Alabama

All leagues have 12 teams, all teams with old rivals and close to each other, NMST gets an FBS home, just makes too much sense.

Please show me where Rice's old rivals are. I see none in that group.

LaTech and ULM are old rivals, but LaTech never will be part of a conference with ULM again.

Sounds like LaTech fans are going to have to get over themselves or become independent, and if Rice doesn't want to be in a conference with a majority of the schools in their own back yard and save hundreds of thousands in travel costs, that's their own fault same as LaTech.

Ulm is dead weight. Like the conference but would have to sub somebody for them.

At this point CUSA would probably be happy to lose UTEP to the MWC and one school in the East to the MAC if EMU were to drop down. Considering their Bowl payout per team and the drop in TV revenue they would be better off with 12 than 14. Of course none of this will happen unless other moves take plae first.

(04-29-2016 09:50 AM)JTApps1 Wrote:  At this point CUSA would probably be happy to lose UTEP to the MWC and one school in the East to the MAC if EMU were to drop down. Considering their Bowl payout per team and the drop in TV revenue they would be better off with 12 than 14. Of course none of this will happen unless other moves take plae first.

Agreed. 10 or 12 teams probably looks much better to them than 14. Plus, there are a couple of long trips for the olympic sports to just increase costs.

If the SBC can stick together and get a decent TV package they may come out looking pretty decent out of all of this.

(04-28-2016 04:17 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  If I had my way, I want the Sun Belt to become a league that we may poach a CUSA team or two. The only way that will happen, is for all to stick together. The problem is that if one in the SBC says no, someone else will say yes.

Its the classic 'prisoners dilemma'. Don't act and someone else will.

Unless the teams that would be the most likely poaching candidates (Ark State, App State, USA, ULL, Texas State, Ga Southern) all got together and said "20 million dollar exit fee to leave Sun Belt for the MAC or CUSA unless all 6 agree", then any discussion of raiding CUSA is kind of moot. ULM, Troy, Ga State, or Coastal are free to sign on to the agreement, but no one is raiding them at this time.