Get some air, dude,

(04-23-2016 08:27 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:25 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:14 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 07:55 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  3 of those guys had fairly long, productive careers-do you have any idea how rare that is from one team?

You and I must have a very different definition of a productive NBA career. Sitting on the end of the bench is not productive to me.

Point is that this was not a very talented Kentucky team. No lottery picks or All Americans. And no one predicted them to win a NC. Tubby did a great, coach of the year type job that year. Why so hard for you to accept this?

What??

Compared to Pitino's teams - you have to read the other posts in the thread - this was not a very talented Kentucky team. Pitino's previous teams with Mashburn, Mercer, Derek Anderson . . . were much more talented. This is pretty much unarguable.

The very next sentence after the word you put in bold say that none of the players on this team went on to become all Americans or lottery picks, doesn't this back up my point?

Why is it so hard for some on this thread to give Tubby credit for doing a great coaching job that year? Just baffling.

Cuz they would rather have 2 more years of Pastner

3 of those guys had fairly long, productive careers-do you have any idea how rare that is from one team?

(04-23-2016 10:39 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:27 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:25 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:14 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  You and I must have a very different definition of a productive NBA career. Sitting on the end of the bench is not productive to me.

Point is that this was not a very talented Kentucky team. No lottery picks or All Americans. And no one predicted them to win a NC. Tubby did a great, coach of the year type job that year. Why so hard for you to accept this?

What??

Compared to Pitino's teams - you have to read the other posts in the thread - this was not a very talented Kentucky team. Pitino's previous teams with Mashburn, Mercer, Derek Anderson . . . were much more talented. This is pretty much unarguable.

The very next sentence after the word you put in bold say that none of the players on this team went on to become all Americans or lottery picks, doesn't this back up my point?

Why is it so hard for some on this thread to give Tubby credit for doing a great coaching job that year? Just baffling.

Cuz they would rather have 2 more years of Pastner

3 of those guys had fairly long, productive careers-do you have any idea how rare that is from one team?

I don't really care about any of the shenanigans and unnecessary scrutiny of Tubby's successes. The man can coach out of a paper bag, and now that he's at a program like Memphis unlike Tech or Minnesota, let's see what he can do. If he doesn't turn it around, then we'll go find another coach. I don't see the big f'ing deal - everyone knows the man can coach. My problem is I don't understand what some posters are griping about - would you rather be stuck with a few more years of Pastner or have someone like Tubby in charge now? Short of Buzz or Marshall, anyone that would have been hired would have question marks. Tubby is a solid hire and let's see how it pans out.

(04-22-2016 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Been mentioned on a lot of threads that Tubby won with Pitino's players, as if to say it doesn't really count as much as the normal championship season. I wanted to go young with the coaching hire, so Tubby not my first choice. But I would hope that we all support Tubby now that he is here.

Its no myth, its fact...as Tubby won in Year 1 with mostly Senior laden starting line up (almost unheard of today) that Pitino recruited...while in all the other 9 years at UK, with mostly or obviously all of ALL Tubby recruits, Tubby never reached the Final Four...and in 3 of his last 4 years...couldn't even get past the 2nd round with "his" recruits, even while at UK with all that $$/recruiting advantage/history, etc...

Of course none of the above may matter in regards to can Tubby be successful at Memphis...as he has probably learned a thing or two over the last 10 years being out of the college basketball limelight.

(04-24-2016 04:54 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-22-2016 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Been mentioned on a lot of threads that Tubby won with Pitino's players, as if to say it doesn't really count as much as the normal championship season. I wanted to go young with the coaching hire, so Tubby not my first choice. But I would hope that we all support Tubby now that he is here.

Its no myth, its fact...as Tubby won in Year 1 with mostly Senior laden starting line up (almost unheard of today) that Pitino recruited...while in all the other 9 years at UK, with mostly or obviously all of ALL Tubby recruits, Tubby never reached the Final Four...and in 3 of his last 4 years...couldn't even get past the 2nd round with "his" recruits, even while at UK with all that $$/recruiting advantage/history, etc...

Of course none of the above may matter in regards to can Tubby be successful at Memphis...as he has probably learned a thing or two over the last 10 years being out of the college basketball limelight.

I'll take 3 Elite Eights, and 5 Sweet 16s...Tubby has shown when the talent is there, he can win an NCAA title...these are things UCF will never need to worry about.

(04-24-2016 04:54 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-22-2016 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Been mentioned on a lot of threads that Tubby won with Pitino's players, as if to say it doesn't really count as much as the normal championship season. I wanted to go young with the coaching hire, so Tubby not my first choice. But I would hope that we all support Tubby now that he is here.

Its no myth, its fact...as Tubby won in Year 1 with mostly Senior laden starting line up (almost unheard of today) that Pitino recruited...while in all the other 9 years at UK, with mostly or obviously all of ALL Tubby recruits, Tubby never reached the Final Four...and in 3 of his last 4 years...couldn't even get past the 2nd round with "his" recruits, even while at UK with all that $$/recruiting advantage/history, etc...

Of course none of the above may matter in regards to can Tubby be successful at Memphis...as he has probably learned a thing or two over the last 10 years being out of the college basketball limelight.

We truly value basketball advice and wisdom from UCF fans. If anyone knows F4's - it's you guys.

(04-23-2016 08:25 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Why is it so hard for some on this thread to give Tubby credit for doing a great coaching job that year? Just baffling.

I'm fine to give him credit for winning a championship with talented players.

The problem is he can't/won't recruit talented players. Someone else has to have already recruited them for him to coach, in order for him to win a championship with them.

And that means he won't win a championship at Memphis, because he doesn't have a team with four NBA players on it this year, to coach to a championship. And since he won't recruit four NBA players from now until he leaves Memphis, there's no chance to win a championship at Memphis with Tubby at the helm.

Cue Dandy Don.

(04-24-2016 05:33 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(04-23-2016 08:25 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Why is it so hard for some on this thread to give Tubby credit for doing a great coaching job that year? Just baffling.

I'm fine to give him credit for winning a championship with talented players.

The problem is he can't/won't recruit talented players. Someone else has to have already recruited them for him to coach, in order for him to win a championship with them.

And that means he won't win a championship at Memphis, because he doesn't have a team with four NBA players on it this year, to coach to a championship. And since he won't recruit four NBA players from now until he leaves Memphis, there's no chance to win a championship at Memphis with Tubby at the helm.

It would be great to win a championship, something that no one has done at the University of Memphis basketball program. But the team has to start making it past the first weekend to even have a shot. With Tubby, that is a strong possibility.

I'll take a commitment for 2016 at this rate.

(04-24-2016 06:14 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I'll take a commitment for 2016 at this rate.

The guys were are looking at for 2016 might not beat Jake out. No offense to Jake-hard worker.

(04-23-2016 08:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Point is that this was not a very talented Kentucky team. No lottery picks or All Americans. And no one predicted them to win a NC. Tubby did a great, coach of the year type job that year. Why so hard for you to accept this?

Actually, many predicted they would have a great season in Tubby's 1st year at UK (1997-1998) because of all of the returning upperclassmen...as the AP ranked UK #5 in their pre-season polls that year....as UK ended up beating the pre-season #7 Utah team in the Championship Game that year.