(04-20-2016 09:00 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 07:53 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Wolfe was undeniably the most dynamic offensive player in NIU history.

Some of you meathead haters need to review his stats and rewatch his performance vs No 1 Ohio State.

His problem in the NFL was Ron Turner's offense.

I don't think one person on here "hates" Wolfe. I think we know how good he was in college. It didn't translate into the pros. No one ruined his career. If he was a good player someone other than the Omaha Nighthawks would have picked him up.

When someone has a dissenting view they aren't "haters." What's next? Questioning loyalty? Illini Tire debate? Save the hater talk for social issues about washrooms and baking cakes.

And if anyone wants to talk "running between the tackles" that IS the NFL game. Listen to people draft experts talk about RB and they talking about how the game is played in the middle of the field vs. college, less room on the outside and more speed there and how the look at line play players had in college. Ability to open up a hole. You don't hit the hole hard in pros, you will not be successful. Very few players have succeeded who didn't. Numerous Heisman Trophy winners didn't pan out. But what do NFL experts, scouts, GMs and head coaches know? Nothing if they oppose a certain view or if they were one of the 29 other teams not to give Wolfe a chance.

Maybe you should have replaced Jerry Angelo and Norv Turner and run the team. You would have turned Wolfe into an all-pro.

And "meatheads" in 2 posts? Ok Archie Bunker.

Are you an NFL GM? Didn't think so.

(04-20-2016 07:53 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Wolfe was undeniably the most dynamic offensive player in NIU history.

Some of you meathead haters need to review his stats and rewatch his performance vs No 1 Ohio State.

His problem in the NFL was Ron Turner's offense.

Calling someone "undeniably the most dynamic offensive player in NIU history" in no way gives them a roster spot in the NFL. Wolfe had a decent run on special teams. Had he been 30 pounds bigger with his same skill set, he would have been awesome. He also wouldn't have played at NIU.

(04-20-2016 07:49 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 03:45 PM)northernbear1 Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 10:09 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 09:55 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Wolfe was not an NFL talent. Period.Albeit limited, I saw enough of him to know that.

He didn't have the speed and power to make it around the end. Zero ability to break a tackle. They thought he was the next Sproles. Far from it.

Lynch got smoke blown up his rear. If anything, he could have been a special teams player, as he was told he could be and is in the CFL and standing out as gunner. Combine they didn't want to take time to teach him the position and didn't think he was capable of backing up at a position he again was learning was the issue. He at least had other teams show (limited) interest post draft and before CFL. I wouldn't say he was a mistake like Wolfe. Wolfe was a complete failure at a 3 pick who never played after.

My personal favorite MAC bust for Bears is Dan Bazuin, 2nd round pick. Never played a down, had injury question marks when drafted. He was the pick before Wolfe.

Ironically, LeFevour was the only MAC selection by the Bears since 2007. Probably for the better, generally speaking. Now if theywoudl just stay away from Boise St. and MWC guys too.

Wolfe had as much speed as anyone on the Bears to make it around the end. The problem is that there was no end - you have to seal it off and that wasn't done. Typically, regardless of the RB there were 2 defenders waiting out there when they went outside, and at most one blocker, sometimes zero blockers. I remember that distinctly. I agree that he didn't have the power to run up the middle, but I also remember the other RBs getting stuffed just as often up the middle with that mediocre line. The only difference was, since they got more carries, eventually a hole would open up and they'd get the rare 30 yard run that boosted their average ypc. I'll admit I was very surprised he went in the 3rd round - but when the Bears brought him in for a tryout they threw the ball to him a lot. When he was on the team it seemed like they never tried that.

Lynch didn't have much chance trying to switch from QB to RB so I wasn't surprised he ended up in the CFL. I would have liked to see him get a few more chances in preseason though.

Here is the thing. For an undersized RB to stick around in the NFL they need to make their own plays, not complain that the offensive line isn't good enough for them. Wolfe never did. He played for what....three years? I cannot recall him ever having a play on offense that was meaningful. He had a few special teams plays, but those players aren't worth a 3rd round pick......unless they are Devin Hester.

Wolfe had a great college career, had a nice TD against Michigan, but he was not an NFL running back. It's nothing against him as a person, but he was not good enough.

If Wolfe went to another school, such as NU, Ball State or WIU you wouldn't have this blind love for him. It's okay, I understand your romanticized fascination with former NIU players.

Bunch of meathead talk

I'm not quite sure how his post is "meathead talk". If anything, the guy with a picture of a person who is a known dog fighter would be the meathead.

(04-20-2016 07:57 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 07:53 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Wolfe was undeniably the most dynamic offensive player in NIU history.

Some of you meathead haters need to review his stats and rewatch his performance vs No 1 Ohio State.

His problem in the NFL was Ron Turner's offense.

Thank you. Also watch what he did at Michigan.

The Bears preferred to run him up the middle into the line - a line that couldn't open a hole for anyone. Like that was going to work.

Why on Earth do football fans compare college performances against any team a reference to how someone should have performed in the NFL? If Wolfe was good enough he would have been able to run through the tackles. It's not rocket science. That 2005 Michigan team wasn't even that good.

Wolfe was fast enough…4.39 40 with killer combine numbers. Plus he had performed against the better teams NIU faced. The 3rd rd was over reaching, but I can see the attraction. Whether it was the wrong fit offensively or he lost his confidence, he wasn't the same player. I know everyone in the NFL is a step faster and bigger, but Wolfe was going down like he was Walter White Jr. every time he touched the ball.

(04-20-2016 10:44 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Wolfe was fast enough…4.39 40 with killer combine numbers. Plus he had performed against the better teams NIU faced. The 3rd rd was over reaching, but I can see the attraction. Whether it was the wrong fit offensively or he lost his confidence, he wasn't the same player. I know everyone in the NFL is a step faster and bigger, but Wolfe was going down like he was Walter White Jr. every time he touched the ball.

Yeah, he got arm tackled consistently. You can't do that and run much in the NFL. Very good special teams player for a few years.

(04-20-2016 10:46 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 10:44 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Wolfe was fast enough…4.39 40 with killer combine numbers. Plus he had performed against the better teams NIU faced. The 3rd rd was over reaching, but I can see the attraction. Whether it was the wrong fit offensively or he lost his confidence, he wasn't the same player. I know everyone in the NFL is a step faster and bigger, but Wolfe was going down like he was Walter White Jr. every time he touched the ball.

Yeah, he got arm tackled consistently. You can't do that and run much in the NFL. Very good special teams player for a few years.

That was a pleasant surprise. Wolfe made some nice tackles on coverage. Never would have thought he'd be better at coverage than returns.

(04-20-2016 10:50 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 10:46 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 10:44 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Wolfe was fast enough…4.39 40 with killer combine numbers. Plus he had performed against the better teams NIU faced. The 3rd rd was over reaching, but I can see the attraction. Whether it was the wrong fit offensively or he lost his confidence, he wasn't the same player. I know everyone in the NFL is a step faster and bigger, but Wolfe was going down like he was Walter White Jr. every time he touched the ball.

Yeah, he got arm tackled consistently. You can't do that and run much in the NFL. Very good special teams player for a few years.

That was a pleasant surprise. Wolfe made some nice tackles on coverage. Never would have thought he'd be better at coverage than returns.

Yeah, it was bizarre.

(04-20-2016 10:02 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 09:00 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 07:53 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Wolfe was undeniably the most dynamic offensive player in NIU history.

Some of you meathead haters need to review his stats and rewatch his performance vs No 1 Ohio State.

His problem in the NFL was Ron Turner's offense.

I don't think one person on here "hates" Wolfe. I think we know how good he was in college. It didn't translate into the pros. No one ruined his career. If he was a good player someone other than the Omaha Nighthawks would have picked him up.

When someone has a dissenting view they aren't "haters." What's next? Questioning loyalty? Illini Tire debate? Save the hater talk for social issues about washrooms and baking cakes.

And if anyone wants to talk "running between the tackles" that IS the NFL game. Listen to people draft experts talk about RB and they talking about how the game is played in the middle of the field vs. college, less room on the outside and more speed there and how the look at line play players had in college. Ability to open up a hole. You don't hit the hole hard in pros, you will not be successful. Very few players have succeeded who didn't. Numerous Heisman Trophy winners didn't pan out. But what do NFL experts, scouts, GMs and head coaches know? Nothing if they oppose a certain view or if they were one of the 29 other teams not to give Wolfe a chance.

Maybe you should have replaced Jerry Angelo and Norv Turner and run the team. You would have turned Wolfe into an all-pro.

And "meatheads" in 2 posts? Ok Archie Bunker.

Are you an NFL GM? Didn't think so.

Ask a question that I lose with either yes/no answer. Then answer it yourself. Nice. Maybe instead of GM you should apply to be Bernstein's replacement.

I don't claim to be a gm nor do I preach that Ron Turner ruined Garrett Wolf's promising career in the NFL. I side with the other 29 GMs who didn't pick him up.

And it seems along with Ron Turner, the OC of the Omaha Nighthawks should also feel the brunt of your anger. Garrett Wolfe was their 4th leading rusher in 2011,in 4 games 4 carries for 44 yards. Far better than Maurice Clarett's 2 for 3 I am reading. If he only had more carries!

And perhaps you can even blame Marc Trestman! As he was the coach of the Montreal Alouettes in 2012 when they signed Garrett Wolfe. But it appears he never made the roster.

So anyway, Dan LeFevour is back.

(04-21-2016 11:09 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:   So anyway, Dan LeFevour is back.

He is?? How come nobody mentioned that? Can't just spring something like that on us.