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More smoke being blown up our skirts by the AD. The NCHC is tough? You knew that before your joined, what was your plan Kathy? Think the coach, an old guy who washed out of the NHL, who is out of touch with today's hockey players could recruit better players? Young team? HAHAHAHA when you make it so unbearable the older guys want to leave, what do you expect. You had 3 seniors this year, in a class that started with what 8 or 9?
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From everything I've heard recently the players absolutely hate him. Good luck winning when that's the case.
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RE: WMU remains 'absolutely' committed to hockey coach Andy Murray
This is interesting for a number of reasons.

One, he was coaching the Canadian Junior team and did well with development of young players, guiding the program, and with their strategic outlook, before WMU.

Two and this is the most ironic part the the shade being thrown, is that a former player from WMU and who played for him in the movies recommended him to WMU. I think there's more to the story than how it's slanted here on a web board of all things, at least I hope so.
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(04-21-2016 01:35 PM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote:  From everything I've heard recently the players absolutely hate him. Good luck winning when that's the case.

Been saying that for a while. Know several past, current and future players and they all say the same thing! Most guys cannot wait to get the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks out of there.

What does it say for the guy when a player would rather quit and not play for him, or a coach that leaves because he can't work with him. Barr had success in many places before WMU. but left here.

You can't win, when the players won't play for you. Unfortunately, it is likely to be the same ole mess next year.
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If Western wants hockey to compete with the big boys, it needs to step up and provide the level of financial commitment necessary. Just being committed to the coach is not nearly enough.
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(04-21-2016 02:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  This is interesting for a number of reasons.

One, he was coaching the Canadian Junior team and did well with development of young players, guiding the program, and with their strategic outlook, before WMU.

Two and this is the most ironic part the the shade being thrown, is that a former player from WMU and who played for him in the movies recommended him to WMU. I think there's more to the story than how it's slanted here on a web board of all things, at least I hope so.

Here is the thing with National Teams. First, the coach is not the only person selecting the team. The selection process is done by committee. Second, its not hard to coach the best of the best in an area where arguably, most of the best players come from.

The challenge for WMU is, you are in the best conference in the land, competing against schools where hockey is the only sport and you cannot get the top tier players. So, as I have said before, you have to get more out of the guys you do have and that comes from coaching. How does Ferris compete? Their rink is a dump compared to Lawson. While Lawson is not the Compton or ND's new rink, it's not all that bad. The locker room is decent. Ferris competes because the coach and players respect each other and they play for each other. This team does not respect the coach and vice versa. You can never win with that attitude in the locker room.

You cannot graduate it out or kick guys off the team, that bad attitude is still there, it passes from class to class. The only way it changes is to make a change. You have to change the culture. You have to get the guys on the team to want to play for the coach and each other. That's how teams with less talent win. Ferris State and others have proven that time and time again. When Blashil was here, the players loved and respected him and he paid it back. When Murray took over, you could see the change. Gone were the locker room leaders, and the team was stripped down to guys that Murray could bully.
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Quote:WMU remains 'absolutely' committed to hockey coach Andy Murray

With a contract running through 2018-19, do we even have a choice?

I think we knew we'd experience some bumps in the road, especially in the premier league like the NCHC, but I didn't think we'd see 8-25 type dumpster fire records again.
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(04-22-2016 10:14 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  
(04-21-2016 02:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  This is interesting for a number of reasons.

One, he was coaching the Canadian Junior team and did well with development of young players, guiding the program, and with their strategic outlook, before WMU.

Two and this is the most ironic part the the shade being thrown, is that a former player from WMU and who played for him in the movies recommended him to WMU. I think there's more to the story than how it's slanted here on a web board of all things, at least I hope so.

Here is the thing with National Teams. First, the coach is not the only person selecting the team. The selection process is done by committee. Second, its not hard to coach the best of the best in an area where arguably, most of the best players come from.

The challenge for WMU is, you are in the best conference in the land, competing against schools where hockey is the only sport and you cannot get the top tier players. So, as I have said before, you have to get more out of the guys you do have and that comes from coaching. How does Ferris compete? Their rink is a dump compared to Lawson. While Lawson is not the Compton or ND's new rink, it's not all that bad. The locker room is decent. Ferris competes because the coach and players respect each other and they play for each other. This team does not respect the coach and vice versa. You can never win with that attitude in the locker room.

You cannot graduate it out or kick guys off the team, that bad attitude is still there, it passes from class to class. The only way it changes is to make a change. You have to change the culture. You have to get the guys on the team to want to play for the coach and each other. That's how teams with less talent win. Ferris State and others have proven that time and time again. When Blashil was here, the players loved and respected him and he paid it back. When Murray took over, you could see the change. Gone were the locker room leaders, and the team was stripped down to guys that Murray could bully.

Ferris has the advantage of being in a conference which is competitive, but which does not have the likes of national hockey power schools from top to bottom. Ferris can get on winning streaks during its conference season. WMU has become a patsy in the best conference, and it will take multiple miracles to change that at this point, as long as we remain in the nchc.

And now that WMU has established itself as non-competitive in this league, and have lost the momentum our program had, it's harder to recruit the players we would need to compete in the top conference, harder to fill stands, and impossible to get support to do capital projects for the hockey program, like a new arena, or even remodeling Lawson. I would like to say, "who could have ever predicted this to have happened", but it was more than foreseeable, and I don't think I was all that smart in saying this is exactly what would happen right when most others were begging to be welcomed into the nchc.

One, and only one solution to all of our hockey woes. Get out of the nchc today, and jump into the wcha. It is not dropping to a lower division; it is just getting into a league of like schools with similar hockey budgets. Much better to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond, than a dead fish in a big pond.
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(04-27-2016 12:43 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 10:14 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  
(04-21-2016 02:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  This is interesting for a number of reasons.

One, he was coaching the Canadian Junior team and did well with development of young players, guiding the program, and with their strategic outlook, before WMU.

Two and this is the most ironic part the the shade being thrown, is that a former player from WMU and who played for him in the movies recommended him to WMU. I think there's more to the story than how it's slanted here on a web board of all things, at least I hope so.

Here is the thing with National Teams. First, the coach is not the only person selecting the team. The selection process is done by committee. Second, its not hard to coach the best of the best in an area where arguably, most of the best players come from.

The challenge for WMU is, you are in the best conference in the land, competing against schools where hockey is the only sport and you cannot get the top tier players. So, as I have said before, you have to get more out of the guys you do have and that comes from coaching. How does Ferris compete? Their rink is a dump compared to Lawson. While Lawson is not the Compton or ND's new rink, it's not all that bad. The locker room is decent. Ferris competes because the coach and players respect each other and they play for each other. This team does not respect the coach and vice versa. You can never win with that attitude in the locker room.

You cannot graduate it out or kick guys off the team, that bad attitude is still there, it passes from class to class. The only way it changes is to make a change. You have to change the culture. You have to get the guys on the team to want to play for the coach and each other. That's how teams with less talent win. Ferris State and others have proven that time and time again. When Blashil was here, the players loved and respected him and he paid it back. When Murray took over, you could see the change. Gone were the locker room leaders, and the team was stripped down to guys that Murray could bully.

Ferris has the advantage of being in a conference which is competitive, but which does not have the likes of national hockey power schools from top to bottom. Ferris can get on winning streaks during its conference season. WMU has become a patsy in the best conference, and it will take multiple miracles to change that at this point, as long as we remain in the nchc.

And now that WMU has established itself as non-competitive in this league, and have lost the momentum our program had, it's harder to recruit the players we would need to compete in the top conference, harder to fill stands, and impossible to get support to do capital projects for the hockey program, like a new arena, or even remodeling Lawson. I would like to say, "who could have ever predicted this to have happened", but it was more than foreseeable, and I don't think I was all that smart in saying this is exactly what would happen right when most others were begging to be welcomed into the nchc.

One, and only one solution to all of our hockey woes. Get out of the nchc today, and jump into the wcha. It is not dropping to a lower division; it is just getting into a league of like schools with similar hockey budgets. Much better to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond, than a dead fish in a big pond.

Just looking at this past season itself, would we have been a big fish in any pond? A lot of those scores were so lopsided, and overall record so dismal, I have trouble believing we would've finished in the upper half of WCHA or anywhere else.

And I'm one who doesn't have a strong preference either way, conference-wise. From a personal viewpoint, there are pros and cons to each.
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(04-27-2016 12:43 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(04-22-2016 10:14 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  
(04-21-2016 02:37 PM)Moomba Wrote:  This is interesting for a number of reasons.

One, he was coaching the Canadian Junior team and did well with development of young players, guiding the program, and with their strategic outlook, before WMU.

Two and this is the most ironic part the the shade being thrown, is that a former player from WMU and who played for him in the movies recommended him to WMU. I think there's more to the story than how it's slanted here on a web board of all things, at least I hope so.

Here is the thing with National Teams. First, the coach is not the only person selecting the team. The selection process is done by committee. Second, its not hard to coach the best of the best in an area where arguably, most of the best players come from.

The challenge for WMU is, you are in the best conference in the land, competing against schools where hockey is the only sport and you cannot get the top tier players. So, as I have said before, you have to get more out of the guys you do have and that comes from coaching. How does Ferris compete? Their rink is a dump compared to Lawson. While Lawson is not the Compton or ND's new rink, it's not all that bad. The locker room is decent. Ferris competes because the coach and players respect each other and they play for each other. This team does not respect the coach and vice versa. You can never win with that attitude in the locker room.

You cannot graduate it out or kick guys off the team, that bad attitude is still there, it passes from class to class. The only way it changes is to make a change. You have to change the culture. You have to get the guys on the team to want to play for the coach and each other. That's how teams with less talent win. Ferris State and others have proven that time and time again. When Blashil was here, the players loved and respected him and he paid it back. When Murray took over, you could see the change. Gone were the locker room leaders, and the team was stripped down to guys that Murray could bully.

Ferris has the advantage of being in a conference which is competitive, but which does not have the likes of national hockey power schools from top to bottom. Ferris can get on winning streaks during its conference season. WMU has become a patsy in the best conference, and it will take multiple miracles to change that at this point, as long as we remain in the nchc.

And now that WMU has established itself as non-competitive in this league, and have lost the momentum our program had, it's harder to recruit the players we would need to compete in the top conference, harder to fill stands, and impossible to get support to do capital projects for the hockey program, like a new arena, or even remodeling Lawson. I would like to say, "who could have ever predicted this to have happened", but it was more than foreseeable, and I don't think I was all that smart in saying this is exactly what would happen right when most others were begging to be welcomed into the nchc.

One, and only one solution to all of our hockey woes. Get out of the nchc today, and jump into the wcha. It is not dropping to a lower division; it is just getting into a league of like schools with similar hockey budgets. Much better to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond, than a dead fish in a big pond.

Bro - I agree with everything you are saying, but we still are not addressing the other major issue and that is the coach.

You can change conferences, but you cannot change what is happening in that locker room unless you change the leader. Winning may solve some of the issues, but I can assure you the conversations after we tied Ferris this year, were not good ones. The head games that are played with the players are not solved when you change to a different conference.

Again, I agree a different conference where we align better will help, but not all the way. That team needs a leader that can rally the troops, and the got we got ain't the guy!
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I don't disagree that AM might have worn out his welcome, and at some point the current players, and potential recruits lose confidence that the coach will get things done. AM started out well with the program, and had good success his first year, but the team has very much struggled since being in the NCHC. Having said that, I love Blashill, but I think even if he was still our coach WMU would have had bad seasons in this league, and we would be in the same shape we are currently in.

We are trying to sled uphill in the NCHC, and do not enjoy the situation that other schools in our conference have. But even many of those schools will find the NCHC to be a tough conference to maintain a winning program. It wouldn't surprise me if WMU and maybe others bail.
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AM biggest problem might be he has a 45 year difference in age with most of his recruits. Todays kids are a different breed.
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(05-03-2016 09:50 AM)fastbuicks Wrote:  AM biggest problem might be he has a 45 year difference in age with most of his recruits. Todays kids are a different breed.

What about Red? AM's just an a55hole.
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(05-03-2016 09:50 AM)fastbuicks Wrote:  AM biggest problem might be he has a 45 year difference in age with most of his recruits. Todays kids are a different breed.

[cough]Red Barenson[/cough]
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The thing red has, though, is name in the college game. Red has 11 frozen fours and 2 titles, plus the michigan name. Murray has none of that to outweight players' dislike of him.
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