I know they have scheduled the 5/year through 2027. My understanding is that they are full members in non-FB sports until they decide to withdraw, pay the full exit fee and deal with the GOR. To me, that means that the 5 games/year is part of their membership agreement.

Think of it this way: ND is a full member in all sports except football, and they are considered football members even for football in so far as bowls are concerned (as long as we are talking non-New Year's Six bowls). The "price" they pay for this arrangement is (1) they only receive a 20% share, and (2) they agree to play an average of 5 football games per year - they select the dates, but the ACC selects the opponents.

Part of the agreement is that ND agrees that IF they ever join ANY conference for football, it MUST be the ACC... and as you stated above, they are also subject to both the GoR and the exit fee.

(04-21-2016 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Think of it this way: ND is a full member in all sports except football, and they are considered football members even for football in so far as bowls are concerned (as long as we are talking non-New Year's Six bowls). The "price" they pay for this arrangement is (1) they only receive a 20% share, and (2) they agree to play an average of 5 football games per year - they select the dates, but the ACC selects the opponents.

Part of the agreement is that ND agrees that IF they ever join ANY conference for football, it MUST be the ACC... and as you stated above, they are also subject to both the GoR and the exit fee.

...until 2027. There is no such contractual requirement after that date.

Even before then, like all contracts, it can be broken and damages negotiated and settled.

I believe that ND has no say regarding football matters in the ACC outside of Bowl selection. When Swofford votes on football issues, he does not speak for ND. I suspect if there is ever a time when legislation is being considered that impacts ND in a negative way, the ACC would side with them.

(04-21-2016 01:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Think of it this way: ND is a full member in all sports except football, and they are considered football members even for football in so far as bowls are concerned (as long as we are talking non-New Year's Six bowls). The "price" they pay for this arrangement is (1) they only receive a 20% share, and (2) they agree to play an average of 5 football games per year - they select the dates, but the ACC selects the opponents.

Part of the agreement is that ND agrees that IF they ever join ANY conference for football, it MUST be the ACC... and as you stated above, they are also subject to both the GoR and the exit fee.

...until 2027. There is no such contractual requirement after that date.

Even before then, like all contracts, it can be broken and damages negotiated and settled.

While that is TECHNICALLY correct, keep in mind that the reasons for Notre Dame agreeing to the 5 games/year commitment (scheduling issues, bowl access, the need for a home for other sports) are not likely to go away and could, in fact, get much worse for the Irish...

(04-21-2016 04:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 01:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Think of it this way: ND is a full member in all sports except football, and they are considered football members even for football in so far as bowls are concerned (as long as we are talking non-New Year's Six bowls). The "price" they pay for this arrangement is (1) they only receive a 20% share, and (2) they agree to play an average of 5 football games per year - they select the dates, but the ACC selects the opponents.

Part of the agreement is that ND agrees that IF they ever join ANY conference for football, it MUST be the ACC... and as you stated above, they are also subject to both the GoR and the exit fee.

...until 2027. There is no such contractual requirement after that date.

Even before then, like all contracts, it can be broken and damages negotiated and settled.

While that is TECHNICALLY correct, keep in mind that the reasons for Notre Dame agreeing to the 5 games/year commitment (scheduling issues, bowl access, the need for a home for other sports) are not likely to go away and could, in fact, get much worse for the Irish...

i believe the 2027 clause applies only to joining a conference (that it must be the ACC). My understanding is that the 5 games continues. Can anyone clarify and confirm?

(04-21-2016 01:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Think of it this way: ND is a full member in all sports except football, and they are considered football members even for football in so far as bowls are concerned (as long as we are talking non-New Year's Six bowls). The "price" they pay for this arrangement is (1) they only receive a 20% share, and (2) they agree to play an average of 5 football games per year - they select the dates, but the ACC selects the opponents.

Part of the agreement is that ND agrees that IF they ever join ANY conference for football, it MUST be the ACC... and as you stated above, they are also subject to both the GoR and the exit fee.

...until 2027. There is no such contractual requirement after that date.

Even before then, like all contracts, it can be broken and damages negotiated and settled.

If we are lucky.

(04-21-2016 11:05 PM)Bigtexnole Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 01:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Think of it this way: ND is a full member in all sports except football, and they are considered football members even for football in so far as bowls are concerned (as long as we are talking non-New Year's Six bowls). The "price" they pay for this arrangement is (1) they only receive a 20% share, and (2) they agree to play an average of 5 football games per year - they select the dates, but the ACC selects the opponents.

Part of the agreement is that ND agrees that IF they ever join ANY conference for football, it MUST be the ACC... and as you stated above, they are also subject to both the GoR and the exit fee.

...until 2027. There is no such contractual requirement after that date.

Even before then, like all contracts, it can be broken and damages negotiated and settled.

If we are lucky.

FSU will be gone by then.

Confirmed by David Teel: as long as ND is a full member in non-football ACC sports, they have a commitment of 5 football games/year.

(04-21-2016 08:05 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 04:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 01:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Think of it this way: ND is a full member in all sports except football, and they are considered football members even for football in so far as bowls are concerned (as long as we are talking non-New Year's Six bowls). The "price" they pay for this arrangement is (1) they only receive a 20% share, and (2) they agree to play an average of 5 football games per year - they select the dates, but the ACC selects the opponents.

Part of the agreement is that ND agrees that IF they ever join ANY conference for football, it MUST be the ACC... and as you stated above, they are also subject to both the GoR and the exit fee.

...until 2027. There is no such contractual requirement after that date.

Even before then, like all contracts, it can be broken and damages negotiated and settled.

While that is TECHNICALLY correct, keep in mind that the reasons for Notre Dame agreeing to the 5 games/year commitment (scheduling issues, bowl access, the need for a home for other sports) are not likely to go away and could, in fact, get much worse for the Irish...

i believe the 2027 clause applies only to joining a conference (that it must be the ACC). My understanding is that the 5 games continues. Can anyone clarify and confirm?