(04-19-2016 03:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  yup, those ******* have no shot.

With all due respect if you were actually there in Orlando to see what they have accomplished these past 15 years you might be singing a different tune. Side by side UCF has the lead in just about every category. On campus stadium, excellent facilities, larger budget than Memphis, 3 times the student population, very decent recruiting areas, get to play in Florida, etc.

UCF has dumped more money into its program than most realize and that number is massive compared to what Memphis has invested. There's just that one thing though that sticks out like a sore thumb...no one gives a crud about UCF sports and their market share is nill. I couldn't tell you even what channel their televised games were one when I lived in Orlando the full 12 years while I was there. Orlando is not a football city but it desperately wants to be. Heck, UCF isn't a basketball city either.

Memphis has UCF beat on that front. Memphis is sports. We have a long tradition and a strong market presence/representation. Still, I just wanted to make those of you aware of exactly what UCF was. Most of you had no clue.

(04-20-2016 04:20 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  yup, those ******* have no shot.

With all due respect if you were actually there in Orlando to see what they have accomplished these past 15 years you might be singing a different tune. Side by side UCF has the lead in just about every category. On campus stadium, excellent facilities, larger budget than Memphis, 3 times the student population, very decent recruiting areas, get to play in Florida, etc.

UCF has dumped more money into its program than most realize and that number is massive compared to what Memphis has invested. There's just that one thing though that sticks out like a sore thumb...no one gives a crud about UCF sports and their market share is nill. I couldn't tell you even what channel their televised games were one when I lived in Orlando the full 12 years while I was there. Orlando is not a football city but it desperately wants to be. Heck, UCF isn't a basketball city either.

Memphis has UCF beat on that front. Memphis is sports. We have a long tradition and a strong market presence/representation. Still, I just wanted to make those of you aware of exactly what UCF was. Most of you had no clue.

As far as realignment is concerned, thats about the only thing that matters. You have to be in a market, and be capable of delivering that market.

No one is going anywhere for at least a few years.

(04-21-2016 06:31 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  No one is going anywhere for at least a few years.

correct, even if they announced today, it would be two years.

(04-20-2016 06:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 04:20 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  yup, those ******* have no shot.

With all due respect if you were actually there in Orlando to see what they have accomplished these past 15 years you might be singing a different tune. Side by side UCF has the lead in just about every category. On campus stadium, excellent facilities, larger budget than Memphis, 3 times the student population, very decent recruiting areas, get to play in Florida, etc.

UCF has dumped more money into its program than most realize and that number is massive compared to what Memphis has invested. There's just that one thing though that sticks out like a sore thumb...no one gives a crud about UCF sports and their market share is nill. I couldn't tell you even what channel their televised games were one when I lived in Orlando the full 12 years while I was there. Orlando is not a football city but it desperately wants to be. Heck, UCF isn't a basketball city either.

Memphis has UCF beat on that front. Memphis is sports. We have a long tradition and a strong market presence/representation. Still, I just wanted to make those of you aware of exactly what UCF was. Most of you had no clue.

As far as realignment is concerned, thats about the only thing that matters. You have to be in a market, and be capable of delivering that market.

Delivering a market in what way?

Does UCF have a radio station that broadcasts their games?

If UCF had a TV package available, would a TV station broadcast those games?

What matters to the Big XII if they added UCF (and/or USF) is will the primary cable provider in Central Florida be required to include the Big XII network (if their ever is one) in an advantageous package (I.e. Basic) because there are enough people who care about UCF to want it. The second issue is ESPN or FS1 going to want a school in a big market as part of the mix.

Even if UCF is 4 or 5th in Orlando, playing Texas will get major attention there.

(04-21-2016 08:04 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 06:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 04:20 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  yup, those ******* have no shot.

With all due respect if you were actually there in Orlando to see what they have accomplished these past 15 years you might be singing a different tune. Side by side UCF has the lead in just about every category. On campus stadium, excellent facilities, larger budget than Memphis, 3 times the student population, very decent recruiting areas, get to play in Florida, etc.

UCF has dumped more money into its program than most realize and that number is massive compared to what Memphis has invested. There's just that one thing though that sticks out like a sore thumb...no one gives a crud about UCF sports and their market share is nill. I couldn't tell you even what channel their televised games were one when I lived in Orlando the full 12 years while I was there. Orlando is not a football city but it desperately wants to be. Heck, UCF isn't a basketball city either.

Memphis has UCF beat on that front. Memphis is sports. We have a long tradition and a strong market presence/representation. Still, I just wanted to make those of you aware of exactly what UCF was. Most of you had no clue.

As far as realignment is concerned, thats about the only thing that matters. You have to be in a market, and be capable of delivering that market.

Delivering a market in what way?

Does UCF have a radio station that broadcasts their games?

If UCF had a TV package available, would a TV station broadcast those games?

What matters to the Big XII if they added UCF (and/or USF) is will the primary cable provider in Central Florida be required to include the Big XII network (if their ever is one) in an advantageous package (I.e. Basic) because there are enough people who care about UCF to want it. The second issue is ESPN or FS1 going to want a school in a big market as part of the mix.

Even if UCF is 4 or 5th in Orlando, playing Texas will get major attention there.

Surveys consistently show that only UF has a larger presence in Orlando than UCF. UCF has more support than FSU and Miami barely even registers. Miami isn't a statewide team, never has been, and never will be....it's a south Florida phenomenon. UCF's TV ratings show plenty of support in Orlando and secondary support in all the major Florida markets. Even if UCF isn't the #1 team, owning a decent chunk of a Top 20 TV market > owning a bigger chunk of a medium market. And that's all been accomplished when the best team you play all year is Houston...start bringing UT, OU, Baylor, TCU, WVU to town, and the stadium will be sold out and the TV will be tuned in at levels comparable to UF, FSU etc.


And I have to say, every time I'm in Memphis, I see a ton of UT, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and MSU.

(04-21-2016 08:16 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:04 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 06:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 04:20 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  yup, those ******* have no shot.

With all due respect if you were actually there in Orlando to see what they have accomplished these past 15 years you might be singing a different tune. Side by side UCF has the lead in just about every category. On campus stadium, excellent facilities, larger budget than Memphis, 3 times the student population, very decent recruiting areas, get to play in Florida, etc.

UCF has dumped more money into its program than most realize and that number is massive compared to what Memphis has invested. There's just that one thing though that sticks out like a sore thumb...no one gives a crud about UCF sports and their market share is nill. I couldn't tell you even what channel their televised games were one when I lived in Orlando the full 12 years while I was there. Orlando is not a football city but it desperately wants to be. Heck, UCF isn't a basketball city either.

Memphis has UCF beat on that front. Memphis is sports. We have a long tradition and a strong market presence/representation. Still, I just wanted to make those of you aware of exactly what UCF was. Most of you had no clue.

As far as realignment is concerned, thats about the only thing that matters. You have to be in a market, and be capable of delivering that market.

Delivering a market in what way?

Does UCF have a radio station that broadcasts their games?

If UCF had a TV package available, would a TV station broadcast those games?

What matters to the Big XII if they added UCF (and/or USF) is will the primary cable provider in Central Florida be required to include the Big XII network (if their ever is one) in an advantageous package (I.e. Basic) because there are enough people who care about UCF to want it. The second issue is ESPN or FS1 going to want a school in a big market as part of the mix.

Even if UCF is 4 or 5th in Orlando, playing Texas will get major attention there.

Surveys consistently show that only UF has a larger presence in Orlando than UCF. UCF has more support than FSU and Miami barely even registers. Miami isn't a statewide team, never has been, and never will be....it's a south Florida phenomenon. UCF's TV ratings show plenty of support in Orlando and secondary support in all the major Florida markets. Even if UCF isn't the #1 team, owning a decent chunk of a Top 20 TV market > owning a bigger chunk of a medium market. And that's all been accomplished when the best team you play all year is Houston...start bringing UT, OU, Baylor, TCU, WVU to town, and the stadium will be sold out and the TV will be tuned in at levels comparable to UF, FSU etc.


And I have to say, every time I'm in Memphis, I see a ton of UT, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and MSU.

But there is no question who is number one in the market for both basketball and football.

Unfortunately Memphis is half the size of Orlando and the region is a fifth of the size of middle Florida from Tampa to the east coast.

(04-20-2016 08:56 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:48 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  UCF isn't getting into the B12.

Not really going out on a limb here but I don't think anyone is.. I think they feel they are fine with what they have............

Now that the new Big 10 TV deal is done, the Big 12 can see that they are even worse off (i.e., falling further behind) than even OU's President Boren speculated last Summer. If they expect to survive as a conference they obviously can't just stand pat.

(04-21-2016 07:53 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 06:31 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  No one is going anywhere for at least a few years.

correct, even if they announced today, it would be two years.

It's coming in June.


My source is solid on this one

(04-21-2016 08:04 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 06:22 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 04:20 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  yup, those ******* have no shot.

With all due respect if you were actually there in Orlando to see what they have accomplished these past 15 years you might be singing a different tune. Side by side UCF has the lead in just about every category. On campus stadium, excellent facilities, larger budget than Memphis, 3 times the student population, very decent recruiting areas, get to play in Florida, etc.

UCF has dumped more money into its program than most realize and that number is massive compared to what Memphis has invested. There's just that one thing though that sticks out like a sore thumb...no one gives a crud about UCF sports and their market share is nill. I couldn't tell you even what channel their televised games were one when I lived in Orlando the full 12 years while I was there. Orlando is not a football city but it desperately wants to be. Heck, UCF isn't a basketball city either.

Memphis has UCF beat on that front. Memphis is sports. We have a long tradition and a strong market presence/representation. Still, I just wanted to make those of you aware of exactly what UCF was. Most of you had no clue.

As far as realignment is concerned, thats about the only thing that matters. You have to be in a market, and be capable of delivering that market.

Delivering a market in what way?

Does UCF have a radio station that broadcasts their games?

If UCF had a TV package available, would a TV station broadcast those games?

What matters to the Big XII if they added UCF (and/or USF) is will the primary cable provider in Central Florida be required to include the Big XII network (if their ever is one) in an advantageous package (I.e. Basic) because there are enough people who care about UCF to want it. The second issue is ESPN or FS1 going to want a school in a big market as part of the mix.

Even if UCF is 4 or 5th in Orlando, playing Texas will get major attention there.

UCF is not going to be able to deliver much of the Florida market while the SEC is there with Florida. If a Florida game is on, those tv sets will be watching Florida. It will not move the needle much for UCF to be playing Texas, and would take years in a market battle in order to build the B12 presence in Florida by going that route. There's too much existing competition in the state between Florida, Miami, and Florida St. That experiment was already played out with USF and the Big East. BCS conference. No Eyeballs.

The B12 is not going to want to go into Florida and plant a 4th P5 team and a third conference in the state. Marketing wise, its an uphill battle to develop the conference brand that way. There's too much competition already.

(04-21-2016 08:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:56 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:48 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  UCF isn't getting into the B12.

Not really going out on a limb here but I don't think anyone is.. I think they feel they are fine with what they have............

Now that the new Big 10 TV deal is done, the Big 12 can see that they are even worse off (i.e., falling further behind) than even OU's President Boren speculated last Summer. If they expect to survive as a conference they obviously can't just stand pat.

When I posted this that hadn't come out yet.. But when has the Big12 ever been proactive.. The Big12's future depends on their upcoming decision.. Who knows what they are thinking..

(04-21-2016 09:04 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:56 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:48 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  UCF isn't getting into the B12.

Not really going out on a limb here but I don't think anyone is.. I think they feel they are fine with what they have............

Now that the new Big 10 TV deal is done, the Big 12 can see that they are even worse off (i.e., falling further behind) than even OU's President Boren speculated last Summer. If they expect to survive as a conference they obviously can't just stand pat.

When I posted this that hadn't come out yet.. But when has the Big12 ever been proactive.. The Big12's future depends on their upcoming decision.. Who knows what they are thinking..

Big East 2.0

(04-21-2016 09:04 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:56 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:48 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  UCF isn't getting into the B12.

Not really going out on a limb here but I don't think anyone is.. I think they feel they are fine with what they have............

Now that the new Big 10 TV deal is done, the Big 12 can see that they are even worse off (i.e., falling further behind) than even OU's President Boren speculated last Summer. If they expect to survive as a conference they obviously can't just stand pat.

When I posted this that hadn't come out yet.. But when has the Big12 ever been proactive.. The Big12's future depends on their upcoming decision.. Who knows what they are thinking..

There is plenty of date to suggest what they are going to do. They didn't commission a study to find the best markets, how much money going forward a championship game would add, and adding schools. ESPN is involved, too. Six weeks from now we all will know.

(04-21-2016 09:10 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:04 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:56 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:48 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  UCF isn't getting into the B12.

Not really going out on a limb here but I don't think anyone is.. I think they feel they are fine with what they have............

Now that the new Big 10 TV deal is done, the Big 12 can see that they are even worse off (i.e., falling further behind) than even OU's President Boren speculated last Summer. If they expect to survive as a conference they obviously can't just stand pat.

When I posted this that hadn't come out yet.. But when has the Big12 ever been proactive.. The Big12's future depends on their upcoming decision.. Who knows what they are thinking..

Big East 2.0

I agree!!

(04-21-2016 09:15 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:10 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:04 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:56 AM)tigergg Wrote:  Not really going out on a limb here but I don't think anyone is.. I think they feel they are fine with what they have............

Now that the new Big 10 TV deal is done, the Big 12 can see that they are even worse off (i.e., falling further behind) than even OU's President Boren speculated last Summer. If they expect to survive as a conference they obviously can't just stand pat.

When I posted this that hadn't come out yet.. But when has the Big12 ever been proactive.. The Big12's future depends on their upcoming decision.. Who knows what they are thinking..

Big East 2.0

I agree!!

Texas is like the Catholic schools in the Big East were back ten years ago.

(04-21-2016 09:04 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:56 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(04-20-2016 08:48 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  UCF isn't getting into the B12.

Not really going out on a limb here but I don't think anyone is.. I think they feel they are fine with what they have............

Now that the new Big 10 TV deal is done, the Big 12 can see that they are even worse off (i.e., falling further behind) than even OU's President Boren speculated last Summer. If they expect to survive as a conference they obviously can't just stand pat.

When I posted this that hadn't come out yet.. But when has the Big12 ever been proactive.. The Big12's future depends on their upcoming decision.. Who knows what they are thinking..

The B12 is actually being proactive, and has for the past couple of years. They have been meeting and evaluating with teams for a possible expansion. They have simply denied it. But it was occurring. We know that was the case simply based upon what has occurred since then.

They are now simply at the cross roads where the final decision has to be made on whether to pull the trigger or not. Not really an easy trigger to pull when you are basically looking at multiple components, such as expansion teams, a conference network, dissolving the LHN, and a possible phase II of expansions to help fill out the conference network.

It's clear at one point there were several teams who did not want to expand, which is why Boren was getting vocal during part of this timeframe. There's been things that have occurred since then that is putting pressure on them to change their minds.

A) If they dont expand, and Oklahoma leaves, the conference is dead
B) Texas can make more money by folding the LHN into a conference network. They make bank on it now, but it loses money for the network, so that deal has an end date on it. But other conferences are making more money on a even-share conference network.
C) The B10's new contract has staggering numbers on a per team basis, even though they have 50% more members. Its clear that a strong conference of 14 or so members is a better deal for everyone than even a slanted deal for one team in a conference is. Texas gets more money than anyone else in the conference due to their network, yet they are falling behind teams like Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, and their former conference mate in Nebraska.
D) If you dont keep up with the B10, SEC, and PAC, you are at risk for being pilfered. If you are at risk of being pilfered, you are not stable.

Personally I'm still in favor of Cincy, Memphis, UCF, and whoever (except USF) packing our bags to the new Big XIV.

(04-19-2016 03:55 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  Left out their record in football last year

Or their lack of support for the conference basketball tournament

Or 0-9 all time vs UCF. Maybe it just includes Memphis' dreary 9 years before winning anything in football with a trophy. UCF did more in football between 2007 and 2014 than Memohis ever has done in their history of football and football drives 99% of expansion.

I can tell you that UCF is hands down a 1st choice over Memphis. Don't talk attendance smack because your little fan base lines basketball, either. Memphis hasn't drawn in football for years, until last year. UCF owns the 3rd highest attendance in the G5 since 2007.

You tiger guys forget who was invited to the Big East before Memphis. Yeah, UCF.

(04-21-2016 09:38 AM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  

(04-19-2016 03:55 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  Left out their record in football last year

Or their lack of support for the conference basketball tournament

Or 0-9 all time vs UCF. Maybe it just includes Memphis' dreary 9 years before winning anything in football with a trophy. UCF did more in football between 2007 and 2014 than Memohis ever has done in their history of football and football drives 99% of expansion.

I can tell you that UCF is hands down a 1st choice over Memphis. Don't talk attendance smack because your little fan base lines basketball, either. Memphis hasn't drawn in football for years, until last year. UCF owns the 3rd highest attendance in the G5 since 2007.

really? Cincy is first choice, not Memphis nor UCF. We are going, get used to it, go cry a river on another board.