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While we're on the subject, though, I will go on record as saying we've got too many athletic teams. We sponsor more than any team in the MAC.

I would like to see dropping 1 or 2 men's and women's non-revenue sports. With such a high subsidy rate, I believe the department would be better served directing money away from men's/women's golf, women's tennis, women's rowing, and maybe even wrestling.

Title 9 requires an equal number of scholarships between men and women, but with 3 more women's sports then men's, I think it'd be possible to cut some scholarships on both ends and remain Title 9 compliant.

**I know this is not to blame for the university's financial problems. I just brought this up for better allocation of revenue within the athletic department.
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(04-19-2016 12:04 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  While we're on the subject, though, I will go on record as saying we've got too many athletic teams. We sponsor more than any team in the MAC.

I would like to see dropping 1 or 2 men's and women's non-revenue sports. With such a high subsidy rate, I believe the department would be better served directing money away from men's/women's golf, women's tennis, women's rowing, and maybe even wrestling.

Title 9 requires an equal number of scholarships between men and women, but with 3 more women's sports then men's, I think it'd be possible to cut some scholarships on both ends and remain Title 9 compliant.

**I know this is not to blame for the university's financial problems. I just brought this up for better allocation of revenue within the athletic department.

I could see that although I'm not sure how much $ it would save.

One would have to look at each program and determine dollar costs (e.g., coaches salaries, travel expenses, cost out scholarships given, etc.).

Golf is interesting as EMU owns (correct?) the Eagle Crest which is used for athletics (hint: golf) and a lot of other university functions.

Dump golf and sell the Eagle Crest (although that would really hurt the university).

Cutting would be painful.

Quite frankly, I'd rather see EMU FB play another game vs. LSU, Mo., Alabama, Florida and pick up 1M for the effort.

Yes, it hurts the football program, but for an university which is hurting a million is nothing to sneeze at.
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BTW, the BOR meeting is Friday, April 22. See below:

http://www.emich.edu/regents/meetings.php
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(04-19-2016 12:13 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2016 12:04 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  While we're on the subject, though, I will go on record as saying we've got too many athletic teams. We sponsor more than any team in the MAC.

I would like to see dropping 1 or 2 men's and women's non-revenue sports. With such a high subsidy rate, I believe the department would be better served directing money away from men's/women's golf, women's tennis, women's rowing, and maybe even wrestling.

Title 9 requires an equal number of scholarships between men and women, but with 3 more women's sports then men's, I think it'd be possible to cut some scholarships on both ends and remain Title 9 compliant.

**I know this is not to blame for the university's financial problems. I just brought this up for better allocation of revenue within the athletic department.

I could see that although I'm not sure how much $ it would save.

One would have to look at each program and determine dollar costs (e.g., coaches salaries, travel expenses, cost out scholarships given, etc.).

Golf is interesting as EMU owns (correct?) the Eagle Crest which is used for athletics (hint: golf) and a lot of other university functions.

Dump golf and sell the Eagle Crest (although that would really hurt the university).

Cutting would be painful.

Quite frankly, I'd rather see EMU FB play another game vs. LSU, Mo., Alabama, Florida and pick up 1M for the effort.

Yes, it hurts the football program, but for an university which is hurting a million is nothing to sneeze at.
I've been saying play all non MAC games into away games this will generate more interest in the teams and raise revenue and it's better than playing in an nearly empty arena. 07-coffee3
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(04-19-2016 01:45 PM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, the BOR meeting is Friday, April 22. See below:

http://www.emich.edu/regents/meetings.php

I don't see financial distress signals anywhere on this agenda.
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Here's the b******* trailer for tonight's HBO episode.

http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-brya...oplay=true

It funny they ask about the basketball team's coach's salary which again is one of the lowest in the MAC. So non traditional students didn't know there was a football stadium and we have a team and a basketball arena and we have college sports teams at EMU?

What a one sided hack job.
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(04-19-2016 06:02 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Here's the b******* trailer for tonight's HBO episode.

http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-brya...oplay=true

It funny they ask about the basketball team's coach's salary which again is one of the lowest in the MAC. So non traditional students didn't know there was a football stadium and we have a team and a basketball arena and we have college sports teams at EMU?

What a one sided hack job.

I agree it is a hit job and probably an inside job, as Eagle Tough suggested.

Howard Bunsis (sp) who is interviewed in the trailer to the best of my knowledge is very much disliked by the faculty...

I know someone who has never said a bad word about anyone, er other than Howard.

Someone must have told HBO who to talk to (to get what they got). I don't pay attention to this B.S., but Howard has trotted this line out many times before.

P.S., HBO: Murphy is underpaid. I assume the FB team stays at the Eagle Crest before home games.

IF someone (or HBO) wants to do an expose' maybe they could have gone to Louisville and their basketball team.
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Ugh this looks like its gonna be another awful PR hit for us. When it is absurd that we are being the school put under the microscope!
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We don't have enough teams. Bring back men's tennis, gymnastics and soccer.

The NCAA has allowed runaway football costs to kill other sports and opportunity. Control the cost of football. Cap it. Put restrictions on coaches salaries. Even look at cutting the number of football scholarships, but apply them to other sports.

WMU, a one time NCAA champion in Cross Country, doesn't have CC or T&F.
Missouri competes in the MAC in wrestling, the sport has been so devastated by schools cutting wrestling.
There are only five men's T&F teams in the MAC.
Of the MAC men's swimming teams, only about four or five of them compete in other MAC sports.

Title IX expects equal opportunity in education. At EMU the focus in normally on sports, yet the student body is dominated by females by about 60-40. In objective numbers, men are disadvantaged, not women.
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(04-19-2016 06:02 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Here's the b******* trailer for tonight's HBO episode.

http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-brya...oplay=true

It funny they ask about the basketball team's coach's salary which again is one of the lowest in the MAC. So non traditional students didn't know there was a football stadium and we have a team and a basketball arena and we have college sports teams at EMU?

What a one sided hack job.

Where to start....this is awesome! 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Howard Bunsis.....professor of accounting at EMU:

"There is money out there, but it's only gonna go to a couple dozen schools." Right out of the gate you know he is totally clueless by his opening statement. Every single P5 school is now getting huge money, but his BS, JD, MBA, & PHD allow him to tell the world, it's only a couple dozen!

Kelly Adams, 32 year old mother of 2......who is "like a lot of EMU students". Exactly how many 30 somethings with kids make up the EMU student population?

Again, if it wasn't so pathetic, it'd be hilarious.
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I don't mind ragging on Howard but I didn't want to rag on the student.

That said, yes, interviewing a mother who works (right) and has two children and asking about what her college experience is or should be like is close to preposterous.

Was she asked about Pease and whether it should be shuttered (as she probably doesn't go there, either).

She didn't realize that Murphy should walk into the ADs office and ask for a raise to the 'median salary of MAC coaches who have been at their school say longer than 2 years..."
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Professional Summary (straight from the EMU website)

Dr. Bunsis received EMU’s Distinguished Faculty Teaching Award in 2002. As an attorney, he has focused on legal issues pertaining to the area of pension and postretirement benefits, topics he is able to bring to the students in his courses. He has done research on the relation between accounting numbers and stock prices.


So, in summary, Bunsis last recognition as a faculty member was 14 years ago. Ergo, he hasn't really given a sh*t since, and currently bides his time spewing nonsense on HBO, while awaiting his fat pension. He also 'focuses on legal issues pertaining to the area of pension and postretirement benefits' so he can make damn sure he gets his, while convincing his sheeple that their outsized tuition increases are going to a great cause. And finally, his amazing 'research on the relation between accounting numbers and stock prices' has come to the stunning conclusion that good accounting numbers = good stock prices. On a side note, he also swears that bloated faculty, admin, and pensions have absolutely nothing to do with never ending, rising tuition...... it's all the fault of those damn athletics!

Thank you Mr. Bunsis, now we know exactly why EMU is in trouble.
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Jeremy Rosenberg's Eagle Totem article from last year on cost of attendance at EMU drew attention from the HBO producer. That isn't exactly surprising.
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EMU has thousands of 30-something undergrads. I don't know what percentage reproduced.
Keep in mind that less than half of EMU students are kids out of high school.

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That report was crap and I have already gotten into it a bit with another media person here in Oklahoma (who originally is from Indiana) who thinks he now completely understands Eastern Michigan's dynamics because Bryant Gumbel said so. Unfortunately, that impression is what people are being left with.
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Athletics put out this video today. I don't believe it was a coincidence.


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(04-19-2016 10:47 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  That report was crap and I have already gotten into it a bit with another media person here in Oklahoma (who originally is from Indiana) who thinks he now completely understands Eastern Michigan's dynamics because Bryant Gumbel said so. Unfortunately, that impression is what people are being left with.

No one understands the Eastern Michigan dynamics unless you've gone there and experienced it. Some many outside negative comments know nothing of the background. Gumbel could have gone to other schools who spend more $$$$$ and lose much more on athletics but probably was afraid of the pushback. Glad i don't subscribe to HBO so I would have to pay for this poor excuse for balanced "reporting".
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I think the publicity in the local news about the piece is fairly nill. This should blow over in a few days.
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(04-20-2016 03:21 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I think the publicity in the local news about the piece is fairly nill. This should blow over in a few days.

I agree.

Folks in Michigan realize that the type of university EMU is.

Doubt anyone had the idea that EMU is the "Harvard on the Huron" with money flowing like water. Harvard's endowment is 100 x EMU's annual budget. (Harvard's endowment is a cool 37.6 billion, with a 'B').

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_University

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(04-18-2016 09:02 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 08:58 AM)emu79 Wrote:  the facts are a majority of our students don't live on campus and those that do aren't here for weekends and show me a similar situation in America where two state colleges are 6 miles apart

Point well taken, but I can show a few...

The worst case is actually Georgia State and Georgia Tech. One can walk between the two campuses in say 30 minutes.

The good thing for Georgia State is Georgia Tech is NO UofM, drawing 100K+ for each home game.

That said, I believe Georgia State has similar attendance issues as EMU.
Lol

We just bought a MLB ballpark and have 54k students in football country me made a bowl faster than any startup in history. We will be fine.
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