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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
(04-18-2016 09:05 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
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(04-17-2016 10:18 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  For all you doubters, this coaching staff is going to win some recruiting battles against G5 schools. FBS is not the holy grail for all football players. Good FBS teams have an advantage especially if they are P5. G5 is not for every recruit. I know because I was with two this weekend and they told me they would rather play at a FCS school that can win championships then a G5 school who is average and goes to a bowl game in Detroit.

I bet your 2 examples do not have many solid fbs offers. If they do, then I would be willing to bet they are a small minority of athletes who would forego fbs for fcs; though there is not way to measure this. While G5 is not for every recruit, the vast majority who get solid G5 offers will go that way. Now with COA on the table- you do the math. I also know some kids who have played at JMU and other schools who got "recruited" by some P5 and G5 schools, but when it came down to LOI time that "recruiting" did not equal scholarship offers.

I very well may be off on this but it was my understanding that all FBS scholarships had to be full whereas at FCS you could slice and dice the 63. Obviously I'm speaking of football only on that. Am I off on that statement?

You are very much on track. We can take 85 players to dole out 63 schollies. I seriously doubt we have more than 50 - 55 with a full ride. With 50 on a full ride we then could have 35 players to divide up 13 which is only about a 30% scholarship.

Often there are a lot more walk-ons than people realize.
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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
(04-18-2016 09:05 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 05:39 PM)Dukes2Space Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 03:51 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 10:18 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  For all you doubters, this coaching staff is going to win some recruiting battles against G5 schools. FBS is not the holy grail for all football players. Good FBS teams have an advantage especially if they are P5. G5 is not for every recruit. I know because I was with two this weekend and they told me they would rather play at a FCS school that can win championships then a G5 school who is average and goes to a bowl game in Detroit.

I bet your 2 examples do not have many solid fbs offers. If they do, then I would be willing to bet they are a small minority of athletes who would forego fbs for fcs; though there is not way to measure this. While G5 is not for every recruit, the vast majority who get solid G5 offers will go that way. Now with COA on the table- you do the math. I also know some kids who have played at JMU and other schools who got "recruited" by some P5 and G5 schools, but when it came down to LOI time that "recruiting" did not equal scholarship offers.

I very well may be off on this but it was my understanding that all FBS scholarships had to be full whereas at FCS you could slice and dice the 63. Obviously I'm speaking of football only on that. Am I off on that statement?

You are very much on track. We can take 85 players to dole out 63 schollies. I seriously doubt we have more than 50 - 55 with a full ride. With 50 on a full ride we then could have 35 players to divide up 13 which is only about a 30% scholarship.

In FCS we can break up scollies ... into "partials" ... In FBS, we can't do that. It's either a full ride or walk-on.
04-19-2016 07:07 AM
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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
(04-18-2016 09:01 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  
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(04-18-2016 06:10 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 04:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Most of the AAC and Mountain West have the basic ingredients for a big time feel, even if they are classified as G5. They usually have been playing football for 100+ years and have an established alumni/booster base. Their facilities are pretty good. They draw decent crowds and do get some P5 teams to play at their stadiums. The latter likely is due to history if nothing else. Beating out them for a player would be something to crow about.

Now the rest of the G5 generally has warts. We can match or beat them for stadium/ facilities, game day experience and attendance. We might not have the history of all of these programs (which stretches into alumni/booster base), but recruits don't see that. Most play two P5 teams on the road. We usually play one too. We can compete for an FCS championship. Most of the "lesser 3" of the G5 is shooting for the Carmelia Bowl in Montgomery. Not sure how much that excites young recruits.

There's a lot of crossover in low end FBS and high end FCS. We'll still deal with that even if we do move up. I like recruiting stars as much as the next guy, but my barometer before seeing these guys on the field is "Who else is recruiting them".

The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.


The vast majority of ODU fans would not trade places with JMU. Don't be silly.

That's a reflection on them and their education.

I'm sure in 2018 they will be pissed off they're hosting VT the same week we travel to Norfolk State. 01-wingedeagle

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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
(04-19-2016 09:02 AM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 09:01 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 08:43 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 08:02 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 06:10 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.


The vast majority of ODU fans would not trade places with JMU. Don't be silly.

That's a reflection on them and their education.

I'm sure in 2018 they will be pissed off they're hosting VT the same week we travel to Norfolk State. 01-wingedeagle

Preach!

Two huge games in the same area on the same date. Can Norfolk handle such an event? This is the equivalent of UMD hosting Navy and Morgan State bringing Towson in for a game all on the same weekend. You can't make these things happen, this kind of coincidence comes together due to a higher power. Wait a minute, has Morgan State has ever hosted Towson? Oh who cares, what a boom for the Tidewater this is going to be.
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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
So...... What's going on with recruiting?
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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
Is there a football version of VC? I know Rivals and ESPN, but I feel like they have limited information on guys that we are targeting or have offered, or only offer information if you pay for it.
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(04-19-2016 09:59 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  So...... What's going on with recruiting?

Yeah I was trying to figure that part out....
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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
(04-18-2016 06:10 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 04:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Most of the AAC and Mountain West have the basic ingredients for a big time feel, even if they are classified as G5. They usually have been playing football for 100+ years and have an established alumni/booster base. Their facilities are pretty good. They draw decent crowds and do get some P5 teams to play at their stadiums. The latter likely is due to history if nothing else. Beating out them for a player would be something to crow about.

Now the rest of the G5 generally has warts. We can match or beat them for stadium/ facilities, game day experience and attendance. We might not have the history of all of these programs (which stretches into alumni/booster base), but recruits don't see that. Most play two P5 teams on the road. We usually play one too. We can compete for an FCS championship. Most of the "lesser 3" of the G5 is shooting for the Carmelia Bowl in Montgomery. Not sure how much that excites young recruits.

There's a lot of crossover in low end FBS and high end FCS. We'll still deal with that even if we do move up. I like recruiting stars as much as the next guy, but my barometer before seeing these guys on the field is "Who else is recruiting them".

The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.

We have half of a really nice stadium. The other half looks like the leftovers from a dumpster fire at Forest Hills.
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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
(04-19-2016 09:14 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 06:10 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 04:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Most of the AAC and Mountain West have the basic ingredients for a big time feel, even if they are classified as G5. They usually have been playing football for 100+ years and have an established alumni/booster base. Their facilities are pretty good. They draw decent crowds and do get some P5 teams to play at their stadiums. The latter likely is due to history if nothing else. Beating out them for a player would be something to crow about.

Now the rest of the G5 generally has warts. We can match or beat them for stadium/ facilities, game day experience and attendance. We might not have the history of all of these programs (which stretches into alumni/booster base), but recruits don't see that. Most play two P5 teams on the road. We usually play one too. We can compete for an FCS championship. Most of the "lesser 3" of the G5 is shooting for the Carmelia Bowl in Montgomery. Not sure how much that excites young recruits.

There's a lot of crossover in low end FBS and high end FCS. We'll still deal with that even if we do move up. I like recruiting stars as much as the next guy, but my barometer before seeing these guys on the field is "Who else is recruiting them".

The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.

We have ̶h̶a̶l̶f̶ two-thirds of a really nice stadium. The other ̶̶h̶a̶l̶f̶ third looks like the leftovers from a dumpster fire at Forest Hills.

FIFY: I thought it about time that we get it right. It corrently seats 25K and the total has been projected to be 35K - 40K.
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http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Kurt-...20801.html

Kurt Benkert Decides To Transfer From ECU...2 years remaining. He was set to be the started prior to blowing his knee out last summer.
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