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RE: 2017 FB Recruiting
(04-18-2016 03:51 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 10:18 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  For all you doubters, this coaching staff is going to win some recruiting battles against G5 schools. FBS is not the holy grail for all football players. Good FBS teams have an advantage especially if they are P5. G5 is not for every recruit. I know because I was with two this weekend and they told me they would rather play at a FCS school that can win championships then a G5 school who is average and goes to a bowl game in Detroit.

I bet your 2 examples do not have many solid fbs offers. If they do, then I would be willing to bet they are a small minority of athletes who would forego fbs for fcs; though there is not way to measure this. While G5 is not for every recruit, the vast majority who get solid G5 offers will go that way. Now with COA on the table- you do the math. I also know some kids who have played at JMU and other schools who got "recruited" by some P5 and G5 schools, but when it came down to LOI time that "recruiting" did not equal scholarship offers.

I very well may be off on this but it was my understanding that all FBS scholarships had to be full whereas at FCS you could slice and dice the 63. Obviously I'm speaking of football only on that. Am I off on that statement?
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(04-18-2016 05:39 PM)Dukes2Space Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 03:51 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 10:18 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  For all you doubters, this coaching staff is going to win some recruiting battles against G5 schools. FBS is not the holy grail for all football players. Good FBS teams have an advantage especially if they are P5. G5 is not for every recruit. I know because I was with two this weekend and they told me they would rather play at a FCS school that can win championships then a G5 school who is average and goes to a bowl game in Detroit.

I bet your 2 examples do not have many solid fbs offers. If they do, then I would be willing to bet they are a small minority of athletes who would forego fbs for fcs; though there is not way to measure this. While G5 is not for every recruit, the vast majority who get solid G5 offers will go that way. Now with COA on the table- you do the math. I also know some kids who have played at JMU and other schools who got "recruited" by some P5 and G5 schools, but when it came down to LOI time that "recruiting" did not equal scholarship offers.

I very well may be off on this but it was my understanding that all FBS scholarships had to be full whereas at FCS you could slice and dice the 63. Obviously I'm speaking of football only on that. Am I off on that statement?
I believe you are correct- full only at fbs. . But a lot of "this school is looking at/recruiting me " does not equal a scholarship offer I have found . By "solid" fbs offer I mean a school the student athlete might desire anyway. Texas State may not be a "solid" offer for a kid from VA due to logistical complications, so he stays in state or close by even if it's fcs. ECU , Appy, ODuh etc typically would be a different story I would think.
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(04-18-2016 04:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Most of the AAC and Mountain West have the basic ingredients for a big time feel, even if they are classified as G5. They usually have been playing football for 100+ years and have an established alumni/booster base. Their facilities are pretty good. They draw decent crowds and do get some P5 teams to play at their stadiums. The latter likely is due to history if nothing else. Beating out them for a player would be something to crow about.

Now the rest of the G5 generally has warts. We can match or beat them for stadium/ facilities, game day experience and attendance. We might not have the history of all of these programs (which stretches into alumni/booster base), but recruits don't see that. Most play two P5 teams on the road. We usually play one too. We can compete for an FCS championship. Most of the "lesser 3" of the G5 is shooting for the Carmelia Bowl in Montgomery. Not sure how much that excites young recruits.

There's a lot of crossover in low end FBS and high end FCS. We'll still deal with that even if we do move up. I like recruiting stars as much as the next guy, but my barometer before seeing these guys on the field is "Who else is recruiting them".

The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.
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Some of you guys are really delusional about the whole FCS/FBS ordeal.
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(04-18-2016 07:48 PM)DiceRogerLion Wrote:  Some of you guys are really delusional about the whole FCS/FBS ordeal.

Please explain
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Saying that ODU fans are jealous of JMU's program right now is ASININE.

Seems like some people have convinced themselves we are better off rotting away in the CAA with Elon and Maine as a coping mechanism to deal with the disappointment of having everything possibly required to be an FBS program except the title.

If JMU wants to be a Nationally recognized university than the current path is not a successful one. I am from MD. When I arrived on campus at JMU in 2009, I had never heard of ODU. I guarantee you graduating seniors here in MD have heard of ODU now.
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(04-18-2016 06:10 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 04:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Most of the AAC and Mountain West have the basic ingredients for a big time feel, even if they are classified as G5. They usually have been playing football for 100+ years and have an established alumni/booster base. Their facilities are pretty good. They draw decent crowds and do get some P5 teams to play at their stadiums. The latter likely is due to history if nothing else. Beating out them for a player would be something to crow about.

Now the rest of the G5 generally has warts. We can match or beat them for stadium/ facilities, game day experience and attendance. We might not have the history of all of these programs (which stretches into alumni/booster base), but recruits don't see that. Most play two P5 teams on the road. We usually play one too. We can compete for an FCS championship. Most of the "lesser 3" of the G5 is shooting for the Carmelia Bowl in Montgomery. Not sure how much that excites young recruits.

There's a lot of crossover in low end FBS and high end FCS. We'll still deal with that even if we do move up. I like recruiting stars as much as the next guy, but my barometer before seeing these guys on the field is "Who else is recruiting them".

The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.


The vast majority of ODU fans would not trade places with JMU. Don't be silly.
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(04-18-2016 08:02 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 06:10 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 04:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Most of the AAC and Mountain West have the basic ingredients for a big time feel, even if they are classified as G5. They usually have been playing football for 100+ years and have an established alumni/booster base. Their facilities are pretty good. They draw decent crowds and do get some P5 teams to play at their stadiums. The latter likely is due to history if nothing else. Beating out them for a player would be something to crow about.

Now the rest of the G5 generally has warts. We can match or beat them for stadium/ facilities, game day experience and attendance. We might not have the history of all of these programs (which stretches into alumni/booster base), but recruits don't see that. Most play two P5 teams on the road. We usually play one too. We can compete for an FCS championship. Most of the "lesser 3" of the G5 is shooting for the Carmelia Bowl in Montgomery. Not sure how much that excites young recruits.

There's a lot of crossover in low end FBS and high end FCS. We'll still deal with that even if we do move up. I like recruiting stars as much as the next guy, but my barometer before seeing these guys on the field is "Who else is recruiting them".

The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.


The vast majority of ODU fans would not trade places with JMU. Don't be silly.

That's a reflection on them and their education.
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(04-18-2016 08:43 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 08:02 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 06:10 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 04:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Most of the AAC and Mountain West have the basic ingredients for a big time feel, even if they are classified as G5. They usually have been playing football for 100+ years and have an established alumni/booster base. Their facilities are pretty good. They draw decent crowds and do get some P5 teams to play at their stadiums. The latter likely is due to history if nothing else. Beating out them for a player would be something to crow about.

Now the rest of the G5 generally has warts. We can match or beat them for stadium/ facilities, game day experience and attendance. We might not have the history of all of these programs (which stretches into alumni/booster base), but recruits don't see that. Most play two P5 teams on the road. We usually play one too. We can compete for an FCS championship. Most of the "lesser 3" of the G5 is shooting for the Carmelia Bowl in Montgomery. Not sure how much that excites young recruits.

There's a lot of crossover in low end FBS and high end FCS. We'll still deal with that even if we do move up. I like recruiting stars as much as the next guy, but my barometer before seeing these guys on the field is "Who else is recruiting them".

The one thing that I would disagree on taking AAC and MW out for a moment- focusing on CUSA and Sun Belt- most programs in those conferences (as currently constituted) don't have the history that JMU football does. They are trying to sell the kid on a vision of where they are going rather than where they are much like JMU probably does. The difference is JMU has more of a big time feel than those places do in terms of facilities, support around the program and even recent success.

If I'm a kid being recruited by ODU and JMU one has no history and only artist's renderings of a stadium. The other has a history and a stadium that as nice or nicer than many G5 stadiums. Does the extra mismatch against a P5 school mean that much to you or one more game on ESPN3? Is the fact that your games are in Florida, Tennessee Texas and other far away places with luke warm game day experiences a good thing (one thing if you are playing Florida State, Tennessee and Baylor) or does that get old real fast- especially if you are a kid who values family being able to see you play and keeping up with your academics. If you want to go pro it's proven that you have as good a chance from JMU as you do from G5. I actually think JMU has a recruiting advantage over ODU not the other way around.

I'll go one further- if this is all about football I bet pragmatic and truthful ODU fans would change places with us if they could. They'd take their chances that the admin would see us through to the right conference when the time was right and ride the wave to a more immediate level of success. ODU did what they had to because they were a football startup- they leveraged the only asset that they have- their market to take a chance.


The vast majority of ODU fans would not trade places with JMU. Don't be silly.

That's a reflection on them and their education.

I'm sure in 2018 they will be pissed off they're hosting VT the same week we travel to Norfolk State. 01-wingedeagle
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(04-18-2016 05:39 PM)Dukes2Space Wrote:  
(04-18-2016 03:51 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 10:18 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  For all you doubters, this coaching staff is going to win some recruiting battles against G5 schools. FBS is not the holy grail for all football players. Good FBS teams have an advantage especially if they are P5. G5 is not for every recruit. I know because I was with two this weekend and they told me they would rather play at a FCS school that can win championships then a G5 school who is average and goes to a bowl game in Detroit.

I bet your 2 examples do not have many solid fbs offers. If they do, then I would be willing to bet they are a small minority of athletes who would forego fbs for fcs; though there is not way to measure this. While G5 is not for every recruit, the vast majority who get solid G5 offers will go that way. Now with COA on the table- you do the math. I also know some kids who have played at JMU and other schools who got "recruited" by some P5 and G5 schools, but when it came down to LOI time that "recruiting" did not equal scholarship offers.

I very well may be off on this but it was my understanding that all FBS scholarships had to be full whereas at FCS you could slice and dice the 63. Obviously I'm speaking of football only on that. Am I off on that statement?

You are very much on track. We can take 85 players to dole out 63 schollies. I seriously doubt we have more than 50 - 55 with a full ride. With 50 on a full ride we then could have 35 players to divide up 13 which is only about a 30% scholarship.
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