Maybe the Big Sky tries to upgrade basketball.
Idaho,Idaho St ,Portland St and Sacramento St are planning new arenas.
The conference if fourteen could have divisions with H&,H in division for nineteen conference games.
Twenty could be better if one designated cross division rival was home and home.
Grand Canyon,Webber St ,NMSU and Montana all have good support and potential.

UTRG could be NMSU's travel partner.
Seattle could be Portland's

Leaving football out of it which teams do you think make sense?

UCDavis, Cal Poly, and GCU with football and then a split.

Wac needs to be a fcs conference to survive.

Denver and Seattle and GCU if football wasn't a deciding factor.

We need more presence in the cities of Denver, Seattle, and Phoenix.

Perhaps the Big Sky should make another run at South Dakota - they can get away from the buzz saw that is North Dakota State, and if Idaho goes FCS, that gives the Sky 16 for football:

EWU/Portland State
Idaho State/Idaho

Montana/Montana State
North Dakota/South Dakota

Cal Poly/Northern Arizona
Sac State/UC Davis

Southern Utah/Weber State
NMSU/Northern Colorado

Since this is FCS, the Big Sky could go to quads for scheduling, and each school would have 1-2 games outside its own quad.

Of course it would help if the 25 FCS football programs (27 if both Idaho and New Mexico State change subdivisions) between the Big Sky and Southland could reorganize themselves between three conferences. The WAC could take Sacramento State's and Idaho's quads with Seattle, Bakersfield, Utah Valley, and Grand Canyon as non-football members.

The Big Sky takes NMSU's and Montana's quads, and two schools from the Southland.

You could switch the names of the Big Sky and WAC if you desire.

The Southland then has "only" 9 members for football plus non-football members New Orleans, Corpus Christi, and incoming member UTRGV. UTRGV would likely become the 10th football member in a few years.

UMKC replaces South Dakota in the Summit League.

Chicago State is bought off by all parties to be the travel partner for NJIT in the Atlantic Sun, who then invites a more geographically appropriate school from Division II.


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is it official or still being looked at?

This thread makes it look official, but I think it's all speculation still
Cheers!

(04-16-2016 06:19 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  is it official or still being looked at?

NMSU has mentioned being in talks with the BSC and one other conference Summit is rumored.
The Big Sky being mentioned as interested is why I started the thread.
EWU is Idaho's travel partner
Montana is Montana St
Webber St and ISU I believe

I don't know the rest or who needs one

I think adding the Dakota schools and splitting north and South makes sense.
The Southern Big Sky schools joining the WAC
UMKC and possibly UTRG to the Summit.
Unless UTRG makes sense for a travel partner for NMSU.

(04-16-2016 09:53 PM)MJG Wrote:  I think adding the Dakota schools and splitting north and South makes sense.
The Southern Big Sky schools joining the WAC
UMKC and possibly UTRG to the Summit.
Unless UTRG makes sense for a travel partner for NMSU.

If Big 12 adds 2 AAC schools the AAC will likely go to CUSA for replenishment.
Thus there will be a potential opening in CUSA for New Mexico State.

(04-16-2016 04:32 PM)MJG Wrote:  Maybe the Big Sky tries to upgrade basketball.
Idaho,Idaho St ,Portland St and Sacramento St are planning new arenas.
The conference if fourteen could have divisions with H&,H in division for nineteen conference games.
Twenty could be better if one designated cross division rival was home and home.
Grand Canyon,Webber St ,NMSU and Montana all have good support and potential.

UTRG could be NMSU's travel partner.
Seattle could be Portland's

Leaving football out of it which teams do you think make sense?

Interesting, do you have a link for that? They have desperately needed to do something about their arena situation.

(04-16-2016 06:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Perhaps the Big Sky should make another run at South Dakota - they can get away from the buzz saw that is North Dakota State, and if Idaho goes FCS, that gives the Sky 16 for football:

EWU/Portland State
Idaho State/Idaho

Montana/Montana State
North Dakota/South Dakota

Cal Poly/Northern Arizona
Sac State/UC Davis

Southern Utah/Weber State
NMSU/Northern Colorado

Since this is FCS, the Big Sky could go to quads for scheduling, and each school would have 1-2 games outside its own quad.

Of course it would help if the 25 FCS football programs (27 if both Idaho and New Mexico State change subdivisions) between the Big Sky and Southland could reorganize themselves between three conferences. The WAC could take Sacramento State's and Idaho's quads with Seattle, Bakersfield, Utah Valley, and Grand Canyon as non-football members.

The Big Sky takes NMSU's and Montana's quads, and two schools from the Southland.

You could switch the names of the Big Sky and WAC if you desire.

The Southland then has "only" 9 members for football plus non-football members New Orleans, Corpus Christi, and incoming member UTRGV. UTRGV would likely become the 10th football member in a few years.

UMKC replaces South Dakota in the Summit League.

Chicago State is bought off by all parties to be the travel partner for NJIT in the Atlantic Sun, who then invites a more geographically appropriate school from Division II.


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I think I saw it posted on here but if those schools had any insight the following league would be fantastic.

UND
NDSU
USD
SDSU
Omaha*

Montana
Montana State
Idaho State
Idaho
Denver*

(04-17-2016 11:27 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 06:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Perhaps the Big Sky should make another run at South Dakota - they can get away from the buzz saw that is North Dakota State, and if Idaho goes FCS, that gives the Sky 16 for football:

EWU/Portland State
Idaho State/Idaho

Montana/Montana State
North Dakota/South Dakota

Cal Poly/Northern Arizona
Sac State/UC Davis

Southern Utah/Weber State
NMSU/Northern Colorado

Since this is FCS, the Big Sky could go to quads for scheduling, and each school would have 1-2 games outside its own quad.

Of course it would help if the 25 FCS football programs (27 if both Idaho and New Mexico State change subdivisions) between the Big Sky and Southland could reorganize themselves between three conferences. The WAC could take Sacramento State's and Idaho's quads with Seattle, Bakersfield, Utah Valley, and Grand Canyon as non-football members.

The Big Sky takes NMSU's and Montana's quads, and two schools from the Southland.

You could switch the names of the Big Sky and WAC if you desire.

The Southland then has "only" 9 members for football plus non-football members New Orleans, Corpus Christi, and incoming member UTRGV. UTRGV would likely become the 10th football member in a few years.

UMKC replaces South Dakota in the Summit League.

Chicago State is bought off by all parties to be the travel partner for NJIT in the Atlantic Sun, who then invites a more geographically appropriate school from Division II.


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I think I saw it posted on here but if those schools had any insight the following league would be fantastic.

UND
NDSU
USD
SDSU
Omaha*

Montana
Montana State
Idaho State
Idaho
Denver*

Idaho St would be an odd fit five hundred miles from Idaho.
They are rated ahead of Boise but they only sound like a flagship school.
EWU or Portland St would make more sense.
Montana St could be ISU's travel partner.
Then Montana and Idaho could be travel partners.
ISU drives through Montana to drive back down to Idaho.

EWU or Portland St add a decent market And are easier to get to for the Montana schools and Idaho.

I strongly doubt NMSU will drop down to FCS. It's more likely to go the independence route.

If NMSU did drop down, joining the Big Sky as its 15th member for football and 13th member for other sports doesn't strike me as a good option. Better to lead an effort by the WAC to sponsor FCS football. I think the WAC would have a shot at adding Portland State, Sac State and Northern Arizona as full members and Cal Poly and UC Davis as football-only members IF the deal included parting ways with its Central Time Zone members (Chicago State, UMKC and UTRGV). The result would be a true western conference with a presence in multiple large markets -- Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Phoenix -- and easy travel. In the longer run Cal Baptist and/or Azusa Pacific could be considered as additions to give the WAC a SoCal foothold.

(04-17-2016 10:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 04:32 PM)MJG Wrote:  Maybe the Big Sky tries to upgrade basketball.
Idaho,Idaho St ,Portland St and Sacramento St are planning new arenas.
The conference if fourteen could have divisions with H&,H in division for nineteen conference games.
Twenty could be better if one designated cross division rival was home and home.
Grand Canyon,Webber St ,NMSU and Montana all have good support and potential.

UTRG could be NMSU's travel partner.
Seattle could be Portland's

Leaving football out of it which teams do you think make sense?

Interesting, do you have a link for that? They have desperately needed to do something about their arena situation.

Four thousand seats twenty million costs for ISU.
Idaho is planning five thousand seats.
Portland St about four thousand
Sacramento St is planning six thousand seats.
I'm on my phone its hard to share a link.

Another direction NMSU could go if it dropped down to FCS would be to lobby the Big West to sponsor FCS football and add NMSU, Portland State, Sac State and Northern Arizona. Those four along with Cal Poly and UC Davis would give the Big West the requisite six football members for an FCS playoff auto bid. UCSD could also join to give the conference a 14th member for non-football sports. I can't see the Big West going for it, but that would be a fun conference.

(04-17-2016 12:56 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Another direction NMSU could go if it dropped down to FCS would be to lobby the Big West to sponsor FCS football and add NMSU, Portland State, Sac State and Northern Arizona. Those four along with Cal Poly and UC Davis would give the Big West the requisite six football members for an FCS playoff auto bid. UCSD could also join to give the conference a 14th member for non-football sports. I can't see the Big West going for it, but that would be a fun conference.

The Big West has 9 schools and 2 of which play football in the Big Sky in Cal Poly and UCDavis.

They could add Portland St, Sac St, NMSU to go to 12, bring back Cal Poly and UCDavis for Big West football and have UCSB start an FCS program.

Probably just as wise to talk NMSU into a Hawaii deal with the idea that at some point the MWC could be raided by the AAC and they could pick up the scraps of the MWC. If the MWC lost 6 schools at once for example throwing the autobid in doubt.

I don't know what will happen. If there is enough support, and schools want to join FBS? I think the FBS schools might not mind adding another conference to the west. That means schools have to trade around.

WAC all sports FBS conference.
Cal.-Davis
Cal.-Poly
Sacramento State
Portland State
Eastern Washington (expanding their stadium right now.)
Idaho
Weber State (does have a stadium that is over 15,000)
New Mexico State
North Dakota (needs to expand their stadium)
Northern Arizona

Long Beach State, Fullerton State (student movement), Northridge State (students voting to see if they will up the fees and add the sport), Cal.-Irvine (could be interested in football, but they could expand their soccer stadium), Grand Canyon U., Cal.-San Diego, Azusa Pacific (could expand their stadium, but could use the Rose Bowl stadium until their stadium is finish.) Those are the schools that are possible reality.

Big West and Big Sky can add schools.

Big Sky
Northern Colorado
Idaho State
Weber State (since there is already 3 schools in the Salt Lake City area)
Southern Utah
Bakersfield State
Dixie State
Humboldt State
Central Washington
Seattle
Montana State-Billings (thinking of adding football, and got a $1 million donation for the sport.)
Grand Canyon U.
Western Oregon
Colorado Mesa
Alaska (Fairbanks wants to be known as Alaska now.)
Utah Valley

You get 9 football schools and 4 none football for 14. 3 of the schools are thinking of adding football.

(04-17-2016 12:56 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Another direction NMSU could go if it dropped down to FCS would be to lobby the Big West to sponsor FCS football and add NMSU, Portland State, Sac State and Northern Arizona. Those four along with Cal Poly and UC Davis would give the Big West the requisite six football members for an FCS playoff auto bid. UCSD could also join to give the conference a 14th member for non-football sports. I can't see the Big West going for it, but that would be a fun conference.

Instead of the West adding another football conference I see the opposite happening based on experience. When I was a kid there were 4 western conferences. Starting from Texas we had the SWC, the WAC, the Big West and the PAC 10. Over a 20 year period 3 out of those 4 are gone. I don't see anything other than the PAC and the MWC in the west going forward based on this trend. Some even see the MWC eventually crumbling....
Cheers!

(04-17-2016 05:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 12:56 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Another direction NMSU could go if it dropped down to FCS would be to lobby the Big West to sponsor FCS football and add NMSU, Portland State, Sac State and Northern Arizona. Those four along with Cal Poly and UC Davis would give the Big West the requisite six football members for an FCS playoff auto bid. UCSD could also join to give the conference a 14th member for non-football sports. I can't see the Big West going for it, but that would be a fun conference.

Instead of the West adding another football conference I see the opposite happening based on experience. When I was a kid there were 4 western conferences. Starting from Texas we had the SWC, the WAC, the Big West and the PAC 10. Over a 20 year period 3 out of those 4 are gone. I don't see anything other than the PAC and the MWC in the west going forward based on this trend. Some even see the MWC eventually crumbling....
Cheers!

The PAC isn't going to promote any of the P5 wannabe MWC teams.
The AAC could take four leaving Eight no chance the MWC goes away.
Maybe become irrelevant like current FCS conferences.
Have a bunch of one bid years like this year.
I can see the G5 slipping as a whole as the P5 pull away.
The Access Bowl becoming less significant and not rotating.
Peach every year and most fans won't care.