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Wasn't Luke the player who was all broken up because Rice was the only D1 college to give him a scholarship?
(04-10-2016 05:18 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-footbl/...16aaa.html

Kind of an odd choice really. He was a superb short yardage guy, but a non-starter is named your team MVP? Am I wrong to feel that way?
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While reviewing the season stats to figure out which players had the best seasons (probably Dillard, Wright and Lyons), I was reminded that Rice had just 2 interceptions all season - both by Zach Espinoza. That's an absolutely stunning number.
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(04-12-2016 01:13 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  While reviewing the season stats to figure out which players had the best seasons (probably Dillard, Wright and Lyons), I was reminded that Rice had just 2 interceptions all season - both by Zach Espinoza. That's an absolutely stunning number.

Last in FBS
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(04-11-2016 01:28 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  All of the awards are voted on by the team. Coaches don't have a say. Sheet with "who was our offensive MVP?", "who was our best offensive lineman?"...that kind of stuff.

Bob is a great choice. True leader, he'd run through a brick wall for you and you'd run through a brick wall for him. I'm happy for him and hope the best for him.

Thank you for posting this.
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(04-12-2016 10:26 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 01:13 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  While reviewing the season stats to figure out which players had the best seasons (probably Dillard, Wright and Lyons), I was reminded that Rice had just 2 interceptions all season - both by Zach Espinoza. That's an absolutely stunning number.
Last in FBS

Total pass defense was last in FBS. And difference between last and second-to-last was wider than the difference between any other two positions in the ranking, from first to last. Simply an incredibly awful performance.

I hope they are changing up the defense significantly. It's certainly needed.
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(04-12-2016 11:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 10:26 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 01:13 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  While reviewing the season stats to figure out which players had the best seasons (probably Dillard, Wright and Lyons), I was reminded that Rice had just 2 interceptions all season - both by Zach Espinoza. That's an absolutely stunning number.
Last in FBS

Total pass defense was last in FBS. And difference between last and second-to-last was wider than the difference between any other two positions in the ranking, from first to last. Simply an incredibly awful performance.

I hope they are changing up the defense significantly. It's certainly needed.

So here is a question: should our Defensive co-ordinator also be our CB coach? Is there a drop off in quality due to increased responsibility? I'm not slamming Coach Thurmond as I think that he has done a wonderful job. But I am wondering if he has too much on his plate. Would we be better served having a dedicated corner back coach? How do other teams handle the responsibilities imposed upon their coordinators?
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(04-12-2016 01:34 PM)Pan95 Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 11:10 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 10:26 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(04-12-2016 01:13 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  While reviewing the season stats to figure out which players had the best seasons (probably Dillard, Wright and Lyons), I was reminded that Rice had just 2 interceptions all season - both by Zach Espinoza. That's an absolutely stunning number.
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Total pass defense was last in FBS. And difference between last and second-to-last was wider than the difference between any other two positions in the ranking, from first to last. Simply an incredibly awful performance.
I hope they are changing up the defense significantly. It's certainly needed.
So here is a question: should our Defensive co-ordinator also be our CB coach? Is there a drop off in quality due to increased responsibility? I'm not slamming Coach Thurmond as I think that he has done a wonderful job. But I am wondering if he has too much on his plate. Would we be better served having a dedicated corner back coach? How do other teams handle the responsibilities imposed upon their coordinators?

I like Thurmond too, and I generally like what he has done. Last year was a disaster, for whatever reason or combination of reasons--youth, inexperience, lack of pass rush, take your pick. I still think there are some philosophical issues--are we an attacking defense or a bend but don't break defense? Generally, I like Thurmond's answers to those questions better than what we were doing before. I sometimes wonder if Thurmond and Bailiff are on the same page.

Usually the DC continues to have position coach responsibilities at whatever spot he coached before. Kirby Smart coached CB's at Bama, so obviously it can be done. With the coaching staff size limits, you are basically going to have 4 coaches on the defensive side of the ball--one will be d-line, one linebackers, one secondary, and for the forth either the LB duties are split between inside and outside, of the secondary duties between corners and safeties. And, as I said, one of the four is DC. A lot of times, the DC will be from the split coaches, with the idea that the fewer he is responsible for as position coach, the more time he has to coordinate.

Offense will typically have 4 or 5, depending on whether you have a dedicated special teams coach. They would be o-line, receivers, quarterbacks, and running backs. If you have 5, the normal split is to break receivers up between WRs and TEs. I believe that's the way Rice does it. One thing that has interested me is a comment that Jerry Berndt (who knew a lot about offense but didn't know how to spell defense) made years ago (obviously). He said that he didn't want is OC to be his QB coach, because QBs required a completely dedicated coach with no other positional or coordination responsibilities.
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(04-11-2016 01:28 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  All of the awards are voted on by the team. Coaches don't have a say. Sheet with "who was our offensive MVP?", "who was our best offensive lineman?"...that kind of stuff.

Bob is a great choice. True leader, he'd run through a brick wall for you and you'd run through a brick wall for him. I'm happy for him and hope the best for him.

So very well expressed.
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IIRC, Bob saved the coach's job. That is a working definition of an MVP, I suppose.
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(04-12-2016 11:12 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  IIRC, Bob saved the coach's job. That is a working definition of an MVP, I suppose.

A less cynical view would be that Bob got Rice more national publicity in a 4 minute presser than the whole squad did between the lines. Another working definition of an MVP.
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(04-12-2016 10:58 AM)ausowl Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 01:28 PM)RiceOwl53 Wrote:  All of the awards are voted on by the team. Coaches don't have a say. Sheet with "who was our offensive MVP?", "who was our best offensive lineman?"...that kind of stuff.

Bob is a great choice. True leader, he'd run through a brick wall for you and you'd run through a brick wall for him. I'm happy for him and hope the best for him.

Thank you for posting this.

I think there was a bit of a 4 yr award also, having contributed in all kinds of ways over the years. I am not particularly troubled by the pick as there was no extremely obvious choice.
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We were 5-7. How valuable was anybody?

Frankly, a guy with a great attitude, who helped everyone retain some sense of sanity through the disaster that was last football season, might very well have been the most valuable player.

My biggest question about Bob is, given his performance, why didn't we get him a lot more touches?
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(04-14-2016 06:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We were 5-7. How valuable was anybody?

Frankly, a guy with a great attitude, who helped everyone retain some sense of sanity through the disaster that was last football season, might very well have been the most valuable player.

My biggest question about Bob is, given his performance, why didn't we get him a lot more touches?

I always felt we underutilized his throwing ability. But the reality is he probably got less touches because he played at the one position we actually have significant quality and depth - RB.
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(04-14-2016 06:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We were 5-7. How valuable was anybody?

Not saying this is Bob, but if a guy moves the team from 0-12 to 5-7, I would think he was mighty valuable.

I also thought his throwing was underutilized. I went to the stats and was surprised to see how far down the rushing and receiving stats he was. Don't forget that he returned KOs also.

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(04-11-2016 08:08 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 12:46 AM)tramile12 Wrote:  Sounds like a great choice. I mean, think about it: who else would you pick? Nobody contributed on so many levels as Bob. I can't think of anyone else who is more deserving.

So many levels? You mean on and off the field? How about DJ, who led our community outreach efforts and was the leader of the offense?

You mean he was the quarterback on offense. DJ was no leader. He was all about himself and with that attitude he alienated a lot of his teammates. That's why he was not voted MVP by his teammates.
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(04-14-2016 07:24 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 06:34 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We were 5-7. How valuable was anybody?
Frankly, a guy with a great attitude, who helped everyone retain some sense of sanity through the disaster that was last football season, might very well have been the most valuable player.
My biggest question about Bob is, given his performance, why didn't we get him a lot more touches?
I always felt we underutilized his throwing ability. But the reality is he probably got less touches because he played at the one position we actually have significant quality and depth - RB.

And at least some of that quality and depth consisted of athletes who could probably have helped us win more games had they been utilized differently.

If I'm coaching a football team, I'm not going to be 4 or 5 deep at running back when I'm maybe not even 1 deep, at best, in other places.
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