(04-15-2016 01:03 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 12:58 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ark St is touting their recent budget increase up to $30 mill which represents a $17 million per year increase from just a few years ago.

Out of $17 million increase over just a few years ago, what is the big deal about spending $100k for prospect travel which would cover every prospect you are interested in?

You can also attend the Nike and many other private camps already in each state.

You realize we didn't actually add 17 million to our athletic budget...right? We just changed and tweaked the way numbers are reported to make our Athletic budget similar too what it was.

You also fail to realize that we already do most of what you are talking about. But when you recruit basically your entire recruiting class out of state, you have to get exposure in every way possible. We'll be able to recruit without the sat camps, we'll just have to be creative and send coaches on the road a lot more than we ever have previously (Our coaches spend less time on the road than most others because of promises we make about being able to spend time with their family)

Fair enough. Let's just quit pretending that kids suddenly have no access and many will be harmed are a result of the camp ban. Clearly there are many, many avenues to reach every prospect.

(04-14-2016 04:34 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  In Georgia 170-180 prospects sign FBS scholarships. Half of those are probably G5 signees.

Each year the state is deluged with schools coming in to hold camps. There are probably at least 30-50 camps.

Does it make any sense to have 1 camp for every 3-5 signees? This is completely ridiculous and shows how things have gotten out of hand. The camps are mostly a means for schools to get face time to put the hard sell on kids and often make promises they have no intention of keeping.

There are six car dealerships between my house and the on ramp to the interstate, that is way too many car dealerships instead of the owners making a decision whether a car dealership in that area is in their best interest we should force half of them to close because nobody really wants that many choices.

(04-15-2016 12:58 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ark St is touting their recent budget increase up to $30 mill which represents a $17 million per year increase from just a few years ago.

Out of $17 million increase over just a few years ago, what is the big deal about spending $100k for travel which would cover every prospect you are interested in? The only one limiting the opportunities for student athletes are the schools that don't want to pay for the travel.

You can also attend the Nike and many other private camps already in each state.

We can't pay for travel until they attend the first day of classes as a senior. So we wait until GaSo has offered them to bring them in?

Also when they are on paid trips they cannot run drills, lift or be timed or such because that would break NCAA rules.

(04-15-2016 02:05 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 12:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:39 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 10:40 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 08:50 AM)asuwon Wrote:  I think it's become quite clear to all who read this board that some Ga. Southern fans have no faith in their program's ability to recruit, unless there are certain rules in place, which hinder their competition from being on a somewhat level playing field.

Yeah... "afraid" is the correct word.

We finished first in recruiting with the satellite camps allowed. Just trying to figure out why people think one camp for every three signees is needed.

you're talking to a state fan who, ironically, would better fit the definition of "scared" in this context since the default stance has been allowing these camps and the change is to no camps.

You know...for a team that's never beaten us in football, you sure do talk a lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_NCAA_...all_season

I was talking to tiguar, who is most certainly not a Georgia southern fan

(04-15-2016 02:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 12:58 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ark St is touting their recent budget increase up to $30 mill which represents a $17 million per year increase from just a few years ago.

Out of $17 million increase over just a few years ago, what is the big deal about spending $100k for travel which would cover every prospect you are interested in? The only one limiting the opportunities for student athletes are the schools that don't want to pay for the travel.

You can also attend the Nike and many other private camps already in each state.

We can't pay for travel until they attend the first day of classes as a senior. So we wait until GaSo has offered them to bring them in?

Also when they are on paid trips they cannot run drills, lift or be timed or such because that would break NCAA rules.

The easy solution is to point out that problem and have the date pushed back to start the junior year.

Are you saying all on campus camps are for seniors only? My understanding is that they run drills at camps.

(04-15-2016 02:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 04:34 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  In Georgia 170-180 prospects sign FBS scholarships. Half of those are probably G5 signees.

Each year the state is deluged with schools coming in to hold camps. There are probably at least 30-50 camps.

Does it make any sense to have 1 camp for every 3-5 signees? This is completely ridiculous and shows how things have gotten out of hand. The camps are mostly a means for schools to get face time to put the hard sell on kids and often make promises they have no intention of keeping.

There are six car dealerships between my house and the on ramp to the interstate, that is way too many car dealerships instead of the owners making a decision whether a car dealership in that area is in their best interest we should force half of them to close because nobody really wants that many choices.

Most communities have zoning laws. You can't put a business in a residential area. Hilton head for example controls the architecture and color of all buildings. Good luck getting a gas station approved. Putting a car dealership anywhere near the tourist district will be rejected.

FBS college football falls under the NCAA and its governing members. They as a group form rules and policies in accordance with the law that can be challenged in court. Therefore, you follow the rules of the organization or you leave. You can also work to change the rules by vote or if they are unlawful, sue.

(04-15-2016 03:24 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 02:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 04:34 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  In Georgia 170-180 prospects sign FBS scholarships. Half of those are probably G5 signees.

Each year the state is deluged with schools coming in to hold camps. There are probably at least 30-50 camps.

Does it make any sense to have 1 camp for every 3-5 signees? This is completely ridiculous and shows how things have gotten out of hand. The camps are mostly a means for schools to get face time to put the hard sell on kids and often make promises they have no intention of keeping.

There are six car dealerships between my house and the on ramp to the interstate, that is way too many car dealerships instead of the owners making a decision whether a car dealership in that area is in their best interest we should force half of them to close because nobody really wants that many choices.

Most communities have zoning laws. You can't put a business in a residential area. Hilton head for example controls the architecture and color of all buildings. Good luck getting a gas station approved. Putting a car dealership anywhere near the tourist district will be rejected.

FBS college football falls under the NCAA and its governing members. They as a group form rules and policies in accordance with the law that can be challenged in court. Therefore, you follow the rules of the organization or you leave. You can also work to change the rules by vote or if they are unlawful, sue.

Rumor is, there are lawsuits coming on this

I don't see any case going to court, I think odds are that the Board of Directors will amend to permit schools to hold a limited number of satellite camps and restrict the dates, either saying that the camps can only be held in a specific window, or all held within X days of the first one the school has.

(04-15-2016 03:10 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 02:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 12:58 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ark St is touting their recent budget increase up to $30 mill which represents a $17 million per year increase from just a few years ago.

Out of $17 million increase over just a few years ago, what is the big deal about spending $100k for travel which would cover every prospect you are interested in? The only one limiting the opportunities for student athletes are the schools that don't want to pay for the travel.

You can also attend the Nike and many other private camps already in each state.

We can't pay for travel until they attend the first day of classes as a senior. So we wait until GaSo has offered them to bring them in?

Also when they are on paid trips they cannot run drills, lift or be timed or such because that would break NCAA rules.

The easy solution is to point out that problem and have the date pushed back to start the junior year.

Are you saying all on campus camps are for seniors only? My understanding is that they run drills at camps.

No I'm talking about official visits when the school pays expenses to attend. Players cannot do anything that could be construed as a tryout.