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Go root for DUKE!!
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The powers-that-be have become Settlers



I found out in my teens if you never swing for the fence you’ll never hit a homerun. I call BS to those saying there would be dissatisfaction no matter who we hired. If we would have hired Marshall, Williams, or even Forbes, the only people whining would be those who don’t know jack about the game.

Remember there are those in the base who wanted to retain Pastner. They are Settlers too.
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I have an opinion on this subject. I left this message board for quite some time because of difference in opinion with a few here. I started reading again when Fuente left and posted a couple things after Josh left. I loved Fuente. Liked everything about the hire. Used to have long conversations with Rohrk Cutchlow while he got his truck serviced about the state of the program when he was here. (Good luck in Missouri, Rohrk).

I was not a fan of Josh. Found it hard to watch the ball games to be honest. Like most of the fan base, I was surprised when Tubby was mentioned and then hired. First reaction was... Man, I don't know. I have thought about it and I think I'm good with the hire. Obviously, time will tell if it's a good one. I do have a good feel about it because I think Tubby feels like he's got work left to do.

Call me fickle if you want. I liked Tommy West the first few years. Thought he wasn't the same after his heart attack and needed to leave. Loved Cal when he was here, but I don't like him now. Liked the Larry Porter hire because he was a Memphis guy, but realized early on he was over his head. Never thought Rip was a good coach, but he did get some players. So if that's fickle, sign me up.

I will say this much. I will support Tubby until I feel like he doesn't deserve that support. Then I won't.

Yep. I'm fickle dammit. 03-banghead
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(04-17-2016 11:48 AM)bluetiger Wrote:  I have an opinion on this subject. I left this message board for quite some time because of difference in opinion with a few here. I started reading again when Fuente left and posted a couple things after Josh left. I loved Fuente. Liked everything about the hire. Used to have long conversations with Rohrk Cutchlow while he got his truck serviced about the state of the program when he was here. (Good luck in Missouri, Rohrk).

I was not a fan of Josh. Found it hard to watch the ball games to be honest. Like most of the fan base, I was surprised when Tubby was mentioned and then hired. First reaction was... Man, I don't know. I have thought about it and I think I'm good with the hire. Obviously, time will tell if it's a good one. I do have a good feel about it because I think Tubby feels like he's got work left to do.

Call me fickle if you want. I liked Tommy West the first few years. Thought he wasn't the same after his heart attack and needed to leave. Loved Cal when he was here, but I don't like him now. Liked the Larry Porter hire because he was a Memphis guy, but realized early on he was over his head. Never thought Rip was a good coach, but he did get some players. So if that's fickle, sign me up.

I will say this much. I will support Tubby until I feel like he doesn't deserve that support. Then I won't.

Yep. I'm fickle dammit. 03-banghead


I will avoid exercising fickleness against this elderly coach. He only is going to have a few years to give his service before he will retire. Having a bunch of people griping after each loss is not going to help Memphis win or get a good hire with the successor to Tubby. We've got Tubby now, so we need to roll with it in a positive manner, realizing he only is here to try to improve things for a few years until he retires.

He has the best chance of doing that if we don't drive him out of his skull by creating extra pressures, stress, grey hairs, and negativity.
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Maybe we should be happy that Tubby was the coach that "Wanted to be here".
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(04-17-2016 11:48 AM)bluetiger Wrote:  I have an opinion on this subject. I left this message board for quite some time because of difference in opinion with a few here. I started reading again when Fuente left and posted a couple things after Josh left. I loved Fuente. Liked everything about the hire. Used to have long conversations with Rohrk Cutchlow while he got his truck serviced about the state of the program when he was here. (Good luck in Missouri, Rohrk).

I was not a fan of Josh. Found it hard to watch the ball games to be honest. Like most of the fan base, I was surprised when Tubby was mentioned and then hired. First reaction was... Man, I don't know. I have thought about it and I think I'm good with the hire. Obviously, time will tell if it's a good one. I do have a good feel about it because I think Tubby feels like he's got work left to do.

Call me fickle if you want. I liked Tommy West the first few years. Thought he wasn't the same after his heart attack and needed to leave. Loved Cal when he was here, but I don't like him now. Liked the Larry Porter hire because he was a Memphis guy, but realized early on he was over his head. Never thought Rip was a good coach, but he did get some players. So if that's fickle, sign me up.

I will say this much. I will support Tubby until I feel like he doesn't deserve that support. Then I won't.

Yep. I'm fickle dammit. 03-banghead

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(04-14-2016 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:00 AM)batman Wrote:  I think the issue is that we all expected to swing for the fences and hit a homerun. True the alternative would have been being stuck with Josh. None of us wanted that. I think everyone will come around once this has settled in.

For me the question is, could we have done better? If not Williams and not Marshall was there anyone else that we could have gotten?

There were a few that wanted Buzz or Marshall, but most just wanted a hungry up and comer like McCall, Forbes or Musselman. Guys that are go getters and know how the "game" is played. Tubby is a great coach, I think we may be surprised. But I'm tired of people running down our fan base. We got some fans that know basketball and know what all that entails here. I'm gonna wait and see what happens. The 2018 and 2019 local classes are loaded. If he can't get the majority of those guys with his record and history then we will know it was not a good hire. I'm holding out hope that he will do what's necessary.

That's pretty much the story with Tubby. I'm 100% on the Tubby bandwagon, but if he mails it in on the recruiting trail and tries to get by just coaching up a bunch of mediocre talents then his results won't be that much better than what Pastner delivered. The problem with that is those results might be just good enough for him to keep the job without ever really tapping the full potential of the Memphis program. That worries me far more than abject failure.
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(04-17-2016 12:00 PM)HoopsGal Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 11:48 AM)bluetiger Wrote:  I have an opinion on this subject. I left this message board for quite some time because of difference in opinion with a few here. I started reading again when Fuente left and posted a couple things after Josh left. I loved Fuente. Liked everything about the hire. Used to have long conversations with Rohrk Cutchlow while he got his truck serviced about the state of the program when he was here. (Good luck in Missouri, Rohrk).

I was not a fan of Josh. Found it hard to watch the ball games to be honest. Like most of the fan base, I was surprised when Tubby was mentioned and then hired. First reaction was... Man, I don't know. I have thought about it and I think I'm good with the hire. Obviously, time will tell if it's a good one. I do have a good feel about it because I think Tubby feels like he's got work left to do.

Call me fickle if you want. I liked Tommy West the first few years. Thought he wasn't the same after his heart attack and needed to leave. Loved Cal when he was here, but I don't like him now. Liked the Larry Porter hire because he was a Memphis guy, but realized early on he was over his head. Never thought Rip was a good coach, but he did get some players. So if that's fickle, sign me up.

I will say this much. I will support Tubby until I feel like he doesn't deserve that support. Then I won't.

Yep. I'm fickle dammit. 03-banghead


I wouldn't be exercising fickleness against this elderly coach. He only is going to have a few years to give his service before he will retire. Having a bunch of people griping after each loss is not going to help Memphis win or get a good hire with the successor to Tubby. We've got Tubby now, so we need to roll with it in a positive manner, realizing he only is here to try to improve things for a few years until he retires.

He has the best chance of doing that if we don't drive him out of his skull by creating extra pressures, stress, grey hairs, and negativity.

Who said I was going to complain after each loss? I never said one bad thing about Pastner on here. I just didn't post. I think Tubby has something left to prove. I hope he gets to prove it and will cheer for him unless 3 years down the road the games become unwatchable.
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(04-14-2016 11:04 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  We did try. Just not hard enough.

Do we know that, though. People kept saying If Marshall asked for the moon, give it to him....but what if he asked for Mars and Jupiter too? Do we know for a fact what happened. Memphis may have screwed up the pitch, but maybe we didnt.
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(04-14-2016 03:10 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:05 AM)PlainTiger Wrote:  The realization that your program is not as big a deal as you thought it was upsets some people.


We don't know what the other parties or the other parties' agents were asking. One would have been leaving the ACC. The other leaving a comfortable job where he can win.

They may have been asking for the moon. Credit our guys for not panicking and making another stupid deal. Seems like Tubby was impressed and he's been to a few dances.

Yup, agreed.....started to smell like others might have been unrealistic in their demands. If so, move on. We just happened to end up with a national championship guy who was named Coach of the Year. Works for me.....
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(04-17-2016 12:14 PM)TrUmEm Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:04 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  We did try. Just not hard enough.

Do we know that, though. People kept saying If Marshall asked for the moon, give it to him....but what if he asked for Mars and Jupiter too? Do we know for a fact what happened. Memphis may have screwed up the pitch, but maybe we didnt.

Yeah, I've backed off this a bit. It's still technically true (hard enough), but I still think we did the right thing all things considered. And I really wanted GM.
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(04-14-2016 01:06 PM)Poorwill Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:00 AM)batman Wrote:  I think the issue is that we all expected to swing for the fences and hit a homerun. True the alternative would have been being stuck with Josh. None of us wanted that. I think everyone will come around once this has settled in.

For me the question is, could we have done better? If not Williams and not Marshall was there anyone else that we could have gotten?

There were a few that wanted Buzz or Marshall, but most just wanted a hungry up and comer like McCall, Forbes or Musselman. Guys that are go getters and know how the "game" is played. Tubby is a great coach, I think we may be surprised. But I'm tired of people running down our fan base. We got some fans that know basketball and know what all that entails here. I'm gonna wait and see what happens. The 2018 and 2019 local classes are loaded. If he can't get the majority of those guys with his record and history then we will know it was not a good hire. I'm holding out hope that he will do what's necessary.
Guess what? There are some people that are tired of some of the fan base.

Guess what? There are a bunch of people that are tired of those "some people".
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It's very interesting to see that it has taken this long for people to find out about some of the "fan base".
I don't know if it is the fact that they are unhappy in life generally and love the opportunity to vent on a message board or the desire for recognition, but the self-amusment level of the outspoken minority is laughable.

It honestly wasn't the heart problems that caused the majority of Coach West's problems, but rather having to deal with an administration that didn't care about the football program and lied about what they were willing to do. The only reason I bring this up (other than it was previously mentioned) is that our current administration is thankfully realizing that emphasis has to be made on the football program.

A previous poster mused what would the program be like if we had followed up the Bartow years.... I wonder what the program would be like if we had EVER had an administration that actually cared about the football program. There hasn't been one P5 expansion based on basketball.

If you would rather have hired Marshall or Forbes or anyone else over getting into the Big 12 or any other P5.... yeah, there are some that would love to see the program return to those glory days, where our basketball team was a success and football was an after thought.
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(04-17-2016 12:03 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  Maybe we should be happy that Tubby was the coach that "Wanted to be here".

(04-17-2016 12:12 PM)bluetiger Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 12:00 PM)HoopsGal Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 11:48 AM)bluetiger Wrote:  I have an opinion on this subject. I left this message board for quite some time because of difference in opinion with a few here. I started reading again when Fuente left and posted a couple things after Josh left. I loved Fuente. Liked everything about the hire. Used to have long conversations with Rohrk Cutchlow while he got his truck serviced about the state of the program when he was here. (Good luck in Missouri, Rohrk).

I was not a fan of Josh. Found it hard to watch the ball games to be honest. Like most of the fan base, I was surprised when Tubby was mentioned and then hired. First reaction was... Man, I don't know. I have thought about it and I think I'm good with the hire. Obviously, time will tell if it's a good one. I do have a good feel about it because I think Tubby feels like he's got work left to do.

Call me fickle if you want. I liked Tommy West the first few years. Thought he wasn't the same after his heart attack and needed to leave. Loved Cal when he was here, but I don't like him now. Liked the Larry Porter hire because he was a Memphis guy, but realized early on he was over his head. Never thought Rip was a good coach, but he did get some players. So if that's fickle, sign me up.

I will say this much. I will support Tubby until I feel like he doesn't deserve that support. Then I won't.

Yep. I'm fickle dammit. 03-banghead


I wouldn't be exercising fickleness against this elderly coach. He only is going to have a few years to give his service before he will retire. Having a bunch of people griping after each loss is not going to help Memphis win or get a good hire with the successor to Tubby. We've got Tubby now, so we need to roll with it in a positive manner, realizing he only is here to try to improve things for a few years until he retires.

He has the best chance of doing that if we don't drive him out of his skull by creating extra pressures, stress, grey hairs, and negativity.

Who said I was going to complain after each loss? I never said one bad thing about Pastner on here. I just didn't post. I think Tubby has something left to prove. I hope he gets to prove it and will cheer for him unless 3 years down the road the games become unwatchable.

I don't think you would. I was referencing the general thread topic of fickleness and the over all atmosphere faced by coaches. I tried to change my post but you had already quoted it before I could.

Here is what my current first sentence of that post says, "I will avoid exercising fickleness against this elderly coach."

I removed anyone else from it in my edit and just referenced myself. Then I said why with the same reasoning. I just think he has only a few years left. You're right -- he can prove a lot.

And he put Texas Tech on the upswing; hopefully he can leave with having put Memphis on the upswing as well. Josh didn't leave it in shambles. Nineteen wins is not the end of the world, but we can hopefully do a little better. It's a tough business. Everyone else is competing to win too, so I'm just not going to lose my mind over it and will let him have his five years, assuming he keeps his health up during that time, as I hope he will.
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(04-17-2016 12:09 PM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:00 AM)batman Wrote:  I think the issue is that we all expected to swing for the fences and hit a homerun. True the alternative would have been being stuck with Josh. None of us wanted that. I think everyone will come around once this has settled in.

For me the question is, could we have done better? If not Williams and not Marshall was there anyone else that we could have gotten?

There were a few that wanted Buzz or Marshall, but most just wanted a hungry up and comer like McCall, Forbes or Musselman. Guys that are go getters and know how the "game" is played. Tubby is a great coach, I think we may be surprised. But I'm tired of people running down our fan base. We got some fans that know basketball and know what all that entails here. I'm gonna wait and see what happens. The 2018 and 2019 local classes are loaded. If he can't get the majority of those guys with his record and history then we will know it was not a good hire. I'm holding out hope that he will do what's necessary.

That's pretty much the story with Tubby. I'm 100% on the Tubby bandwagon, but if he mails it in on the recruiting trail and tries to get by just coaching up a bunch of mediocre talents then his results won't be that much better than what Pastner delivered. The problem with that is those results might be just good enough for him to keep the job without ever really tapping the full potential of the Memphis program. That worries me far more than abject failure.

Although I don't want to participate in creating an unreasonable atmosphere for the new coach, I will be disappointed if he doesn't try to get the best recruits possible from our area at a minimum. And develops them to their potential better than Josh did. That is something I expect from him whether we go far or not in the NCAA tourney. But if he does those two things, you combine that with his X's and O's smarts and we should do very well.
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It's one thing to disagree with a well-qualified manager's decisions. It's another to disagree that the manager is at all qualified to be in the position in the first place. You might be guilty of being fickle in the first instance. Anyone who would question your character for expressing your displeasure over the latter in a public forum . . . well, let's just be glad we're no longer in that situation.
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I was totally embarrassed by Pastner's coaching of our team and I am overjoyed that he is gone. Some people say that hiring Tubby Smith is not a wow hire. I had read all the discussions about who we should hire, and my first impression was that we missed out.

But, after reading all the background info on Tubby, and after seeing his hiring interview, I have decided to form my own opinion and to keep an open mind. I will buy my season tickets for next year, which I was not planning to do under Pastner. I like the fact that Tubby was the coach of the year in his conference. The COY was not Bill Self, not Shaka Smart, but Tubby Smith. I like the fact that he has been a winner everywhere he has coached.

Why not support Tubby? Grousing about the hire won't change it. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. And remember, neither Williams or Marshall were guaranteed to win at Memphis. Success at one place does not guarantee success at another. Just check out Bruce Pearl's record at Auburn if you need to be convinced of that.
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(04-17-2016 02:37 PM)HoopsGal Wrote:  
(04-17-2016 12:09 PM)Cotten Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:06 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(04-14-2016 11:00 AM)batman Wrote:  I think the issue is that we all expected to swing for the fences and hit a homerun. True the alternative would have been being stuck with Josh. None of us wanted that. I think everyone will come around once this has settled in.

For me the question is, could we have done better? If not Williams and not Marshall was there anyone else that we could have gotten?

There were a few that wanted Buzz or Marshall, but most just wanted a hungry up and comer like McCall, Forbes or Musselman. Guys that are go getters and know how the "game" is played. Tubby is a great coach, I think we may be surprised. But I'm tired of people running down our fan base. We got some fans that know basketball and know what all that entails here. I'm gonna wait and see what happens. The 2018 and 2019 local classes are loaded. If he can't get the majority of those guys with his record and history then we will know it was not a good hire. I'm holding out hope that he will do what's necessary.

That's pretty much the story with Tubby. I'm 100% on the Tubby bandwagon, but if he mails it in on the recruiting trail and tries to get by just coaching up a bunch of mediocre talents then his results won't be that much better than what Pastner delivered. The problem with that is those results might be just good enough for him to keep the job without ever really tapping the full potential of the Memphis program. That worries me far more than abject failure.

Although I don't want to participate in creating an unreasonable atmosphere for the new coach, I will be disappointed if he doesn't try to get the best recruits possible from our area at a minimum. And develops them to their potential better than Josh did. That is something I expect from him whether we go far or not in the NCAA tourney. But if he does those two things, you combine that with his X's and O's smarts and we should do very well.

That is a reasonable and realistic expectation.
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