(04-13-2016 09:17 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

I would be interested to see the before and after for each Minnesota and Texas Tech. I mean that record you posted isn't the greatest, but considering the schools he was at and the conferences they were in, it's not that bad.

Give him some players from the Memphis area in the next few years and the young guys we have on the team, I think he would do really well in the AAC and make some post season runs.

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:17 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

(04-13-2016 10:01 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:17 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

The fact that he was able to turn those teams in multiple NCAA bids is impressive imo.

Tubby Smith has proven he can take ANY crummy program in the nation to the NCAA's consistently.

NO MATTER THE TALENT LEVEL.

Lets give the man some real resources to work with.

(04-13-2016 10:08 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:01 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:17 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

The fact that he was able to turn those teams in multiple NCAA bids is impressive imo.

Tubby Smith has proven he can take ANY crummy program in the nation to the NCAA's consistently.

NO MATTER THE TALENT LEVEL.

Lets give the man some real resources to work with.

Dan Monson was the head coach at Minnesota prior to Tubby. He didn't do well at all in his final season, but prior to that it was similar type results to what Tubby would later do. It is not like Tubby took a hideous program to great heights. He took a program that had a bad previous year to slightly better than mediocre.

(04-13-2016 10:08 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:01 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:17 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

The fact that he was able to turn those teams in multiple NCAA bids is impressive imo.

Tubby Smith has proven he can take ANY crummy program in the nation to the NCAA's consistently.

NO MATTER THE TALENT LEVEL.

Lets give the man some real resources to work with.

He got run out of Kentucky for not recruiting and not making enough noise in the tourney. He rode the momentum of Pitino and the stacked roster of Pitino to enormous initial success then faded badly.

Does that sound like a similar trajectory to our recent coach?

Tubby is way better than Pastner but if he couldn't do great at kentucky after all those Pitino players left I have no reason to believe he's capable of a deep tourney run here

(04-13-2016 10:11 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:08 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:01 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

The fact that he was able to turn those teams in multiple NCAA bids is impressive imo.

Tubby Smith has proven he can take ANY crummy program in the nation to the NCAA's consistently.

NO MATTER THE TALENT LEVEL.

Lets give the man some real resources to work with.

Dan Monson was the head coach at Minnesota prior to Tubby. He didn't do well at all in his final season, but prior to that it was similar type results to what Tubby would later do. It is not like Tubby took a hideous program to great heights. He took a program that had a bad previous year to slightly better than mediocre.

Texas Tech wasn't hideous when he arrived?

(04-13-2016 10:14 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:08 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:01 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

The fact that he was able to turn those teams in multiple NCAA bids is impressive imo.

Tubby Smith has proven he can take ANY crummy program in the nation to the NCAA's consistently.

NO MATTER THE TALENT LEVEL.

Lets give the man some real resources to work with.

He got run out of Kentucky for not recruiting and not making enough noise in the tourney. He rode the momentum of Pitino and the stacked roster of Pitino to enormous initial success then faded badly.

Does that sound like a similar trajectory to our recent coach?

Tubby is way better than Pastner but if he couldn't do great at kentucky after all those Pitino players left I have no reason to believe he's capable of a deep tourney run here

The Pastner hire wasn't a horrible risk after cal but the contract renewal was bad news. Silly place we are in, and it's strange as the people pulling the strings aren't stupid

(04-13-2016 10:11 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Dan Monson was the head coach at Minnesota prior to Tubby. He didn't do well at all in his final season, but prior to that it was similar type results to what Tubby would later do. It is not like Tubby took a hideous program to great heights. He took a program that had a bad previous year to slightly better than mediocre.

I don't agree with that at all.

Monson had one NCAA team in 8 years. He won 20 games one time and had multiple losing seasons.

Tubby had 3 NCAA teams and was the NIT runner up in just 6 years. He averaged 21 wins a season in the Big 10 and never had a losing record.

Tubby also took over a 9-22 team and won 20 games his first season.

(04-13-2016 10:11 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:08 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:01 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

The fact that he was able to turn those teams in multiple NCAA bids is impressive imo.

Tubby Smith has proven he can take ANY crummy program in the nation to the NCAA's consistently.

NO MATTER THE TALENT LEVEL.

Lets give the man some real resources to work with.

Dan Monson was the head coach at Minnesota prior to Tubby. He didn't do well at all in his final season, but prior to that it was similar type results to what Tubby would later do. It is not like Tubby took a hideous program to great heights. He took a program that had a bad previous year to slightly better than mediocre.

Fair enough, but I can't think of too many reasons people wouldn't want him here. It's not about taking a hideous program to new heights, it's just can the guy coach (x's and O's) in my mind. If that is what some are questioning I dont see the proof he cant do that anymore.

If it's recruiting people are worried about, fine, I can see it may be a problem most places, but Memphis? It won't be hard to get some quality players here with the right assistants and relationships. If you give him top players can he win in the AAC and the post-season? I think the answer is yes.

(04-13-2016 10:14 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:08 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:01 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Tubby's first 14 seasons...

343-120 (.741)

NCAA record: 27-11

And to add, TT's 3 season record before Tubby arrived - 32-62, Tubby coached TT to its first appearance in the NCAA since 2007, Tubby has had 19 seasons with 20 or more wins, taken 5 schools to the NCAA, Minnesota's record the year before Tubby arrived - 8-22 to 20-13 in Tubby's first year. Tubby took Minnesota to 3 NCAAs, 2 NITs in 6 yrs at Minnesota & was 21-13 and made a 3rd round run in the NCAAs the yr he was fired. In addition to his impressive resume at UK, he took UGA (yes, the University of Georgia that doesn't know how to spell basketball) to the NCAA each of his two yrs there reaching the Sweet 16 with UGA. Tubby Smith is the Big XII Coach of the Yr.

And I also don't think Tubby is the "wow" hire but he will win big at Memphis, right the ship & return Memphis to it's top 20 program status nationally.

Thanks for this. Really interesting. I think the drastic improvements each team has made when he got there is more telling than his overall record, but that's just me.

The fact that he was able to turn those teams in multiple NCAA bids is impressive imo.

Tubby Smith has proven he can take ANY crummy program in the nation to the NCAA's consistently.

NO MATTER THE TALENT LEVEL.

Lets give the man some real resources to work with.

He got run out of Kentucky for not recruiting and not making enough noise in the tourney. He rode the momentum of Pitino and the stacked roster of Pitino to enormous initial success then faded badly.

Does that sound like a similar trajectory to our recent coach?

Tubby is way better than Pastner but if he couldn't do great at kentucky after all those Pitino players left I have no reason to believe he's capable of a deep tourney run here

I wasn't very old when he won the championship at Kentucky, so I'm not familiar with the roster and how stacked it was, but I did read that was the only team that has won the championship that didn't have a single All-American or NBA draft pick on it.

That's not to say the team wasn't stacked, just thought that was an interesting tidbit.

Tubby is as good as anyone else we will get.

I have no clue what's going on at this point. I feel like Josh Pastner at halftime.

(04-13-2016 10:14 PM)jgardne Wrote:  He rode the momentum of Pitino and the stacked roster of Pitino to enormous initial success then faded badly.

Does that sound like a similar trajectory to our recent coach?

Fantasy version of actual history.

Tubby was making multiple elite 8 runs and winning 30+ games 7-8 years after Pitino was long gone.

(04-13-2016 09:17 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Tubby Smith, last 11 seasons as a head coach
214-156 (.578) overall record [19-14 average record]
82-112 (.423) regular season conference record
10-11 conference tournament record
NCAA appearances: 6 (3-6 record)
NIT appearances: 2 (4-2 record)
Points per game average: 68.9

What's his record vs top 25 teams in that span, mr. stat man?

(04-13-2016 10:30 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  I have no clue what's going on at this point. I feel like Josh Pastner at halftime.

Lol that was good

(04-13-2016 10:30 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  I have no clue what's going on at this point. I feel like Josh Pastner at halftime.

(04-13-2016 10:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:11 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Dan Monson was the head coach at Minnesota prior to Tubby. He didn't do well at all in his final season, but prior to that it was similar type results to what Tubby would later do. It is not like Tubby took a hideous program to great heights. He took a program that had a bad previous year to slightly better than mediocre.

I don't agree with that at all.

Monson had one NCAA team in 8 years. He won 20 games one time and had multiple losing seasons.

Tubby had 3 NCAA teams and was the NIT runner up in just 6 years. He averaged 21 wins a season in the Big 10 and never had a losing record.

Tubby also took over a 9-22 team and won 20 games his first season.

Tubby also averaged 14 losses a year. 14!

His 21 average wins were mostly due to feasting on crappy non-conference opponents since his average Big 10 conference regular season record was 8-10.

(04-13-2016 10:30 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  I have no clue what's going on at this point. I feel like Josh Pastner at halftime.

Hysterical. You could at during pre-game or during time-outs, but we don't want to pile on, right?

(04-13-2016 10:35 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:11 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Dan Monson was the head coach at Minnesota prior to Tubby. He didn't do well at all in his final season, but prior to that it was similar type results to what Tubby would later do. It is not like Tubby took a hideous program to great heights. He took a program that had a bad previous year to slightly better than mediocre.

I don't agree with that at all.

Monson had one NCAA team in 8 years. He won 20 games one time and had multiple losing seasons.

Tubby had 3 NCAA teams and was the NIT runner up in just 6 years. He averaged 21 wins a season in the Big 10 and never had a losing record.

Tubby also took over a 9-22 team and won 20 games his first season.

Tubby also averaged 14 losses a year. 14!

His 21 average wins were mostly due to feasting on crappy non-conference opponents since his average Big 10 conference regular season record was 8-10.

For a program like Minnesota playing in the Big 10 its a pretty impressive run imo.

If his sch had been so crappy, he would not have kept making the NCAA's.

(04-13-2016 10:34 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:30 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  I have no clue what's going on at this point. I feel like Josh Pastner at halftime.

Lol that was good

I lol'd