2016 Hawaii opponents at home-
Nevada
UNLV
New Mexico
Boise
UMass
(also Tenn-Martin)

(04-13-2016 06:34 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:24 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  What's stopping them now? I think at least Utah St, Colorado St, Fresno St and all had 13 regular season games recently...I think Hawaii does it every year don't they?
Cheers!

No bye week if they take the Hawaii exemption. Especially now with the CCG. USU was the last have 13 games a year ago. Now nobody in the MW uses the exemption so they can get a bye week.

The rule change will allow all 4 teams that play at Hawaii from the MWC to play the extra game while keeping the bye week.

And that opens up the possibility of any of those teams moving any one of their games into the "early week" to get on TV with relatively little competition from other games.

Examples: SDSU plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. They have 2017 games vs. Arizona State and Stanford, and a 2019 game at UCLA, that could be candidates to be moved into the early week at ESPN's request.

Fresno State also plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. Fresno's 2017 game at Alabama could be moved to Saturday, August 26. That would be a game that would interest ESPN, and it would also allow Alabama to have a game under their belt before they play Florida State in Atlanta on September 2nd.

ESPN doesn't get first pick of MWC games. Those games are almost locks to be selected by CBS Sports. This really doesn't change anything for non-Boise MWC teams.

MWC HOME games....neutral field games are eligible for ESPN to pick up. Actually all Boise games too right? Expect the years that Boise plays at Hawaii to suddenly have an extra game added to the schedule...
Cheers!

(04-13-2016 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:34 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:24 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No bye week if they take the Hawaii exemption. Especially now with the CCG. USU was the last have 13 games a year ago. Now nobody in the MW uses the exemption so they can get a bye week.

The rule change will allow all 4 teams that play at Hawaii from the MWC to play the extra game while keeping the bye week.

And that opens up the possibility of any of those teams moving any one of their games into the "early week" to get on TV with relatively little competition from other games.

Examples: SDSU plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. They have 2017 games vs. Arizona State and Stanford, and a 2019 game at UCLA, that could be candidates to be moved into the early week at ESPN's request.

Fresno State also plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. Fresno's 2017 game at Alabama could be moved to Saturday, August 26. That would be a game that would interest ESPN, and it would also allow Alabama to have a game under their belt before they play Florida State in Atlanta on September 2nd.

ESPN doesn't get first pick of MWC games. Those games are almost locks to be selected by CBS Sports. This really doesn't change anything for non-Boise MWC teams.

It totally changes things. In 2017, Fresno plays in Hawaii. Thus getting 13th game. Fresno's game at Alabama(so SEC contract) would be allowed to get moved up to August 26 and shown on ESPN or CBS even. Same goes for the other teams scheduled at Hawaii that year(along with Hawaii hosting a game that day).

I don't believe that's accurate. I believe only the team using the Hawaii exemption can host the early game.

(04-13-2016 06:34 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:24 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  What's stopping them now? I think at least Utah St, Colorado St, Fresno St and all had 13 regular season games recently...I think Hawaii does it every year don't they?
Cheers!

No bye week if they take the Hawaii exemption. Especially now with the CCG. USU was the last have 13 games a year ago. Now nobody in the MW uses the exemption so they can get a bye week.

The rule change will allow all 4 teams that play at Hawaii from the MWC to play the extra game while keeping the bye week.

And that opens up the possibility of any of those teams moving any one of their games into the "early week" to get on TV with relatively little competition from other games.

Examples: SDSU plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. They have 2017 games vs. Arizona State and Stanford, and a 2019 game at UCLA, that could be candidates to be moved into the early week at ESPN's request.

Fresno State also plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. Fresno's 2017 game at Alabama could be moved to Saturday, August 26. That would be a game that would interest ESPN, and it would also allow Alabama to have a game under their belt before they play Florida State in Atlanta on September 2nd.

ESPN doesn't get first pick of MWC games. Those games are almost locks to be selected by CBS Sports. This really doesn't change anything for non-Boise MWC teams.

ESPN doesn't get first pick of games hosted by MWC teams.

In these games where the MWC team is on the road, e.g. Fresno State at Alabama or San Diego State at Arizona State, the TV rightsholder could ask the participating teams to move the game to the "early week".

(04-13-2016 06:42 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:34 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The rule change will allow all 4 teams that play at Hawaii from the MWC to play the extra game while keeping the bye week.

And that opens up the possibility of any of those teams moving any one of their games into the "early week" to get on TV with relatively little competition from other games.

Examples: SDSU plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. They have 2017 games vs. Arizona State and Stanford, and a 2019 game at UCLA, that could be candidates to be moved into the early week at ESPN's request.

Fresno State also plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. Fresno's 2017 game at Alabama could be moved to Saturday, August 26. That would be a game that would interest ESPN, and it would also allow Alabama to have a game under their belt before they play Florida State in Atlanta on September 2nd.

ESPN doesn't get first pick of MWC games. Those games are almost locks to be selected by CBS Sports. This really doesn't change anything for non-Boise MWC teams.

It totally changes things. In 2017, Fresno plays in Hawaii. Thus getting 13th game. Fresno's game at Alabama(so SEC contract) would be allowed to get moved up to August 26 and shown on ESPN or CBS even. Same goes for the other teams scheduled at Hawaii that year(along with Hawaii hosting a game that day).

I don't believe that's accurate. I believe only the team using the Hawaii exemption can host the early game.

nothing in the thing I saw....

a couple questions.

1. so to move up a game to the saturday before the start of season, only 1 of the teams needs to be playing at Hawaii later in the season?

if so, this could be an advantage for MWC schools or BYU for scheduling actractive games for tv.

2. if the MWC (or PAC-12) decides to have its CCG at Hawaii, could all teams in the conference be elligible for this early start and extra bye week?

(04-13-2016 06:51 PM)goofus Wrote:  a couple questions.

1. so to move up a game to the saturday before the start of season, only 1 of the teams needs to be playing at Hawaii later in the season?

if so, this could be an advantage for MWC schools or BYU for scheduling actractive games for tv.

2. if the MWC (or PAC-12) decides to have its CCG at Hawaii, could all teams in the conference be elligible for this early start and extra bye week?

1- correct.... I think it'll be attractive for teams playing the MWC teams. I mean Alabama gets an extra week off next year? who wouldn't love that....
2- nope.

(04-13-2016 05:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We have to look out for Hawaii-West Oahu to be coming up. They seemed to be a test school at D2 right now as they are adding sports. Football could be one of them in the future. They might be a school that could go to D1, and play Hawaii in football if they do add football.

We do have to look out for them David. We also have to look out for BYU-Hawaii football.
Cheers!

Arkansas Tech - Maui is looking at upgrading football

(04-13-2016 06:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:42 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:34 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  And that opens up the possibility of any of those teams moving any one of their games into the "early week" to get on TV with relatively little competition from other games.

Examples: SDSU plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. They have 2017 games vs. Arizona State and Stanford, and a 2019 game at UCLA, that could be candidates to be moved into the early week at ESPN's request.

Fresno State also plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. Fresno's 2017 game at Alabama could be moved to Saturday, August 26. That would be a game that would interest ESPN, and it would also allow Alabama to have a game under their belt before they play Florida State in Atlanta on September 2nd.

ESPN doesn't get first pick of MWC games. Those games are almost locks to be selected by CBS Sports. This really doesn't change anything for non-Boise MWC teams.

It totally changes things. In 2017, Fresno plays in Hawaii. Thus getting 13th game. Fresno's game at Alabama(so SEC contract) would be allowed to get moved up to August 26 and shown on ESPN or CBS even. Same goes for the other teams scheduled at Hawaii that year(along with Hawaii hosting a game that day).

I don't believe that's accurate. I believe only the team using the Hawaii exemption can host the early game.

nothing in the thing I saw....

Even if that's the case there still really isn't any advantage to doing this other than possible exposure. It's more important to MWC schools to win and go bowling than be shown on national TV getting blown out by Alabama. Both of those are harder to do playing a 13th game even with the extra bye week.

Don't be surprised if nobody but Boise (and Hawaii obviously) takes advantage of this. They're the only team under the current MWC contract that would see direct financial benefit from this.

(04-13-2016 06:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:34 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:24 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  No bye week if they take the Hawaii exemption. Especially now with the CCG. USU was the last have 13 games a year ago. Now nobody in the MW uses the exemption so they can get a bye week.

The rule change will allow all 4 teams that play at Hawaii from the MWC to play the extra game while keeping the bye week.

And that opens up the possibility of any of those teams moving any one of their games into the "early week" to get on TV with relatively little competition from other games.

Examples: SDSU plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. They have 2017 games vs. Arizona State and Stanford, and a 2019 game at UCLA, that could be candidates to be moved into the early week at ESPN's request.

Fresno State also plays at Hawai'i in odd-numbered years. Fresno's 2017 game at Alabama could be moved to Saturday, August 26. That would be a game that would interest ESPN, and it would also allow Alabama to have a game under their belt before they play Florida State in Atlanta on September 2nd.

ESPN doesn't get first pick of MWC games. Those games are almost locks to be selected by CBS Sports. This really doesn't change anything for non-Boise MWC teams.

MWC HOME games....neutral field games are eligible for ESPN to pick up. Actually all Boise games too right? Expect the years that Boise plays at Hawaii to suddenly have an extra game added to the schedule...
Cheers!

Exactly.

(04-13-2016 05:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We have to look out for Hawaii-West Oahu to be coming up. They seemed to be a test school at D2 right now as they are adding sports. Football could be one of them in the future. They might be a school that could go to D1, and play Hawaii in football if they do add football.

So the D1 program can barely function financially, and now a second school right down the road is going to join them?

(04-13-2016 07:01 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:42 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:34 PM)k5james Wrote:  ESPN doesn't get first pick of MWC games. Those games are almost locks to be selected by CBS Sports. This really doesn't change anything for non-Boise MWC teams.

It totally changes things. In 2017, Fresno plays in Hawaii. Thus getting 13th game. Fresno's game at Alabama(so SEC contract) would be allowed to get moved up to August 26 and shown on ESPN or CBS even. Same goes for the other teams scheduled at Hawaii that year(along with Hawaii hosting a game that day).

I don't believe that's accurate. I believe only the team using the Hawaii exemption can host the early game.

nothing in the thing I saw....

Even if that's the case there still really isn't any advantage to doing this other than possible exposure. It's more important to MWC schools to win and go bowling than be shown on national TV getting blown out by Alabama. Both of those are harder to do playing a 13th game even with the extra bye week.

Don't be surprised if nobody but Boise (and Hawaii obviously) takes advantage of this. They're the only team under the current MWC contract that would see direct financial benefit from this.

It IS the case.....

And like Fresno would just get more $$$ to play Alabama on Aug 26 rather than when they were originally scheduled.

(04-13-2016 07:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:01 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:42 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  It totally changes things. In 2017, Fresno plays in Hawaii. Thus getting 13th game. Fresno's game at Alabama(so SEC contract) would be allowed to get moved up to August 26 and shown on ESPN or CBS even. Same goes for the other teams scheduled at Hawaii that year(along with Hawaii hosting a game that day).

I don't believe that's accurate. I believe only the team using the Hawaii exemption can host the early game.

nothing in the thing I saw....

Even if that's the case there still really isn't any advantage to doing this other than possible exposure. It's more important to MWC schools to win and go bowling than be shown on national TV getting blown out by Alabama. Both of those are harder to do playing a 13th game even with the extra bye week.

Don't be surprised if nobody but Boise (and Hawaii obviously) takes advantage of this. They're the only team under the current MWC contract that would see direct financial benefit from this.

It IS the case.....

And like Fresno would just get more $$$ to play Alabama on Aug 26 rather than when they were originally scheduled.

No they wouldn't. The idiotic bonus system doesn't apply to road games.

(04-13-2016 07:10 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:01 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:42 PM)k5james Wrote:  I don't believe that's accurate. I believe only the team using the Hawaii exemption can host the early game.

nothing in the thing I saw....

Even if that's the case there still really isn't any advantage to doing this other than possible exposure. It's more important to MWC schools to win and go bowling than be shown on national TV getting blown out by Alabama. Both of those are harder to do playing a 13th game even with the extra bye week.

Don't be surprised if nobody but Boise (and Hawaii obviously) takes advantage of this. They're the only team under the current MWC contract that would see direct financial benefit from this.

It IS the case.....

And like Fresno would just get more $$$ to play Alabama on Aug 26 rather than when they were originally scheduled.

No they wouldn't. The idiotic bonus system doesn't apply to road games.

the money would come from Alabama/ESPN/CBS..... You better believe Alabama and ESPN would love to have that game on the 26th....

(04-13-2016 07:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:10 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 07:01 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 06:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  nothing in the thing I saw....

Even if that's the case there still really isn't any advantage to doing this other than possible exposure. It's more important to MWC schools to win and go bowling than be shown on national TV getting blown out by Alabama. Both of those are harder to do playing a 13th game even with the extra bye week.

Don't be surprised if nobody but Boise (and Hawaii obviously) takes advantage of this. They're the only team under the current MWC contract that would see direct financial benefit from this.

It IS the case.....

And like Fresno would just get more $$$ to play Alabama on Aug 26 rather than when they were originally scheduled.

No they wouldn't. The idiotic bonus system doesn't apply to road games.

the money would come from Alabama/ESPN/CBS..... You better believe Alabama and ESPN would love to have that game on the 26th....

Alabama/ESPN/CBS already own that game. They don't need to pay anything extra to move it. They can just move it.

Normally games are signed for a specific date. to move it they would have to pay money.

Re-propose my zany idea:
PAC makes an exclusive scheduling arrangement with Hawaii. Every PAC team plays in Hawaii annually. Hawaii retains local broadcast rights and ticket revenue. PAC pays for stadium refurbishments and gets all broadcast rights off the island including international broadcasts to Asia/Australia. The first week of college football is exclusively PAC content, preferably the PAC-B1G crossover.

Of note also, the early game can also be done by P5 schools. Say USC plays at Hawaii and chooses to play Alabama in the week before the regular season. Any MW or G5 school that also plays the early game could be squeezed out by TV networks.

(04-13-2016 06:59 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 05:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We have to look out for Hawaii-West Oahu to be coming up. They seemed to be a test school at D2 right now as they are adding sports. Football could be one of them in the future. They might be a school that could go to D1, and play Hawaii in football if they do add football.

We do have to look out for them David. We also have to look out for BYU-Hawaii football.
Cheers!

Arkansas Tech - Maui is looking at upgrading football

Yes. It's a good move by them. AT-Houston is another move the Wonder Boys are considering as well...I'd love to see ECU play a H&H with Hawaii. I have fond memories of the Bowl win vs Boise there...that was a great game!
Cheers!

This is obviously huge for UH. The 13th game exemption had been rendered virtually worthless by the advent of CCG weekend. No coach wanted to play 13 straight weeks without a bye. And without a worthwhile 13th game exemption to offer as an inducement, UH was starting to have difficulty scheduling home OOC games. This rule change basically restores the status quo that was in effect before CCGs took over the final week of the season.

I never thought I'd have a reason to say this, but thank you NCAA.