(04-14-2016 12:40 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Both of these guys are very tight lipped.

Don't be shocked if a deal IS in place with Tubby and our team is keeping their mouths shut until he has a chance to address his team

I have zero inside connections but IMO we still have a 70% chance of landing Coach Smith

If not then OK but I'm excited to have attracted him as a candidate. Mainly because it will open up the eyes of other attractive coaches with him highly considering our HC position

You are a blind optimist. You know deep down in your soul that the chances of him accepting are no higher than 68%.

He flew back to Lubbock with out an agreement.

That's a pretty cut and dried - 'it's likely not going to happen' sign.

I've been wrong before.

(04-14-2016 12:56 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:40 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Both of these guys are very tight lipped.

Don't be shocked if a deal IS in place with Tubby and our team is keeping their mouths shut until he has a chance to address his team

I have zero inside connections but IMO we still have a 70% chance of landing Coach Smith

If not then OK but I'm excited to have attracted him as a candidate. Mainly because it will open up the eyes of other attractive coaches with him highly considering our HC position

You are a blind optimist. You know deep down in your soul that the chances of him accepting are no higher than 68%.

68%? How did you calculate that?

(04-14-2016 06:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:56 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:40 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Both of these guys are very tight lipped.

Don't be shocked if a deal IS in place with Tubby and our team is keeping their mouths shut until he has a chance to address his team

I have zero inside connections but IMO we still have a 70% chance of landing Coach Smith

If not then OK but I'm excited to have attracted him as a candidate. Mainly because it will open up the eyes of other attractive coaches with him highly considering our HC position

You are a blind optimist. You know deep down in your soul that the chances of him accepting are no higher than 68%.

68%? How did you calculate that?

take the original estimate of 70% and subtract 2% and write it off as an acceptable error factor. The addition of alcohol also contributes to a less accurate but much funner number

(04-13-2016 11:34 PM)tigerscribe Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:54 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 10:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 09:45 PM)tigerscribe Wrote:  You can believe what you want. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything about Tom Bowen.

You're right I don't know you. But I've read enough to know you have a axe to grind against Bowen - and likely by how you couched it, it's not even first hand information. It's just what someone told you. What's the point? Your statements don't support our university & are inappropriate hearsay for a supporter of our university. I would think an attorney with any maturity would know better. Have the conversation with Bowen if you have the goods, or better yet have it with his boss. And so you'll know I don't particularly like Bowen personally either but that come from personal face-to-face discussions with him. But I can say unequivocally & without question Bowen is the best AD our university has had since.....well I can't remember an AD that better represented our university in conducting athletics department business in the last 50 years.

Hey Atlanta, if you don't like what Tigerscribe has to say, how about ignoring him?

I asked him for more info., he's nice enough to provide it, and you go accusing him of being anti-university. Come on, man.

You can do the same bud. And maybe you guys can continue to hide behind your anonymity & say whatever you like about a 3rd party regardless of where the truth lies & where hearsay & opinion begins.

I have no axe to grind against Bowen, but I know a football coach who did and he told me and others. When another Tiger fan seemed to be questioned for saying Bowen and Fuente didn't get along, I jumped in to defend him.

You have read things into my comments that aren't there. I have no agenda a here. As I stated above I don't have a firm opinion about Bowen. I witnessed none of what happened and I know my friend was jaded and angry. It was personal for him, which was understandable. But I know there is another side to every story.

When I said you don't know me, I meant it. I'm not a message board crazy. I'm an alum and I've been a fan since I started going to games in the early 70's with my father and grandfather, but I keep things in perspective. I'm a Christian, a husband, and a father first. I have a business to run. I have elderly parents to care for. I have a month-long foreign mission trip I'm preparing for. My life simply doesn't revolve around sports or entertainment. I have no motive for being here other than to try to understand what is happening at my alma mater. I don't want anything I say to influence anyone about a coach or a member of the administration. If I want to truly influence I will contact the appropriate decision makers directly and make my opinion known.

Good night

Makes your statements all the more inappropriate. Nothing but 3rd hand hearsay from a guy going out the door, yet you wanted to inform us. Well, I'm a guy jumping in to defend Bowen. And I do so even though personally I don't care for the guy based upon personal, direct interface. At the same time I also say Bowen is the best AD Memphis has ever had, because he does his job & doesn't use his position to win friends of those he supervises as a 1st priority. Your intentions seem to be to attempt to influence the gullible & damage the university - all of which is very inconsistent to having a Christian witness. If so you haven't learned that you don't repeat 3rd hand hearsay, forget that you are an attorney.

(04-14-2016 06:45 AM)hongkongtiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 06:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:56 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:40 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Both of these guys are very tight lipped.

Don't be shocked if a deal IS in place with Tubby and our team is keeping their mouths shut until he has a chance to address his team

I have zero inside connections but IMO we still have a 70% chance of landing Coach Smith

If not then OK but I'm excited to have attracted him as a candidate. Mainly because it will open up the eyes of other attractive coaches with him highly considering our HC position

You are a blind optimist. You know deep down in your soul that the chances of him accepting are no higher than 68%.

68%? How did you calculate that?

take the original estimate of 70% and subtract 2% and write it off as an acceptable error factor. The addition of alcohol also contributes to a less accurate but much funner number

Now I understand............

(04-14-2016 06:45 AM)hongkongtiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 06:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:56 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:40 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Both of these guys are very tight lipped.

Don't be shocked if a deal IS in place with Tubby and our team is keeping their mouths shut until he has a chance to address his team

I have zero inside connections but IMO we still have a 70% chance of landing Coach Smith

If not then OK but I'm excited to have attracted him as a candidate. Mainly because it will open up the eyes of other attractive coaches with him highly considering our HC position

You are a blind optimist. You know deep down in your soul that the chances of him accepting are no higher than 68%.

68%? How did you calculate that?

take the original estimate of 70% and subtract 2% and write it off as an acceptable error factor. The addition of alcohol also contributes to a less accurate but much funner number

So you took the same math course?

(04-14-2016 12:56 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 12:40 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Both of these guys are very tight lipped.

Don't be shocked if a deal IS in place with Tubby and our team is keeping their mouths shut until he has a chance to address his team

I have zero inside connections but IMO we still have a 70% chance of landing Coach Smith

If not then OK but I'm excited to have attracted him as a candidate. Mainly because it will open up the eyes of other attractive coaches with him highly considering our HC position

You are a blind optimist. You know deep down in your soul that the chances of him accepting are no higher than 68%.

He wasn't ready to commit to 69%

atlanta. First off, you aren't using hearsay correctly. Secondly, why are you attacking him for giving his opinion, Whic is ALSO based on direct experience with the coach. Just so you can give your opinion on Bowen. You think he is the best AD we have ever have...may be true, but it also doesn't necessarily make him a good AD. Does a good AD apply for another job without telling his boss, potentially leaving him in the lurch? Which Bowen did. Does a good AD, alienate those in the community that Boosters are bringing him to in order to build broader support for the program? Which this AD has done and continue to do? And I am not talking about fat cat boosters. Does a good AD, almost get in a fight with a coaching candidate who was our number one choice (and the preference of our biggest donor)? Becuase Bowen has done all of those things. As well as run off several talented young people from our athletic department, and negatively influenced other hires. I know all of this. If by stating the truth, which if we were actually in a court room where hearsay applied could be easily proved, I have an axe to grind. Then I have an axe to grind. Just like you have an axe to grind with anyone who dare says anything bad about Bowen.

From the looks of things, most of our problems are created from fans, radio personalities etc from what I can tell.

Can u change ur name now?

around here need to apologize to Rudd and Bowen.

Seems they handled this perfectly, decided on who they wanted and hired him. Only drama was the folks on the radio and Memphis fans. I dont think Rudd and Bowen are the problems.

(04-14-2016 07:49 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Can u change ur name now?

I recommend TubbyLove

(04-14-2016 07:32 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  atlanta. First off, you aren't using hearsay correctly. Secondly, why are you attacking him for giving his opinion, Whic is ALSO based on direct experience with the coach. Just so you can give your opinion on Bowen. You think he is the best AD we have ever have...may be true, but it also doesn't necessarily make him a good AD. Does a good AD apply for another job without telling his boss, potentially leaving him in the lurch? Which Bowen did. Does a good AD, alienate those in the community that Boosters are bringing him to in order to build broader support for the program? Which this AD has done and continue to do? And I am not talking about fat cat boosters. Does a good AD, almost get in a fight with a coaching candidate who was our number one choice (and the preference of our biggest donor)? Becuase Bowen has done all of those things. As well as run off several talented young people from our athletic department, and negatively influenced other hires. I know all of this. If by stating the truth, which if we were actually in a court room where hearsay applied could be easily proved, I have an axe to grind. Then I have an axe to grind. Just like you have an axe to grind with anyone who dare says anything bad about Bowen.

"Hearsay - the report of another person's words by a witness, usually disallowed as evidence in a court of law." And if hearsay can be proven, then by definition it is not hearsay. Nothing has been proven here & the information presented isn't 1st hand - it's not even the opinion of the writer by his own admission. The "attorney" knows what hearsay is & understands the reference. Further, I am not a Bowen apologist, but I see the results under his tenure (and we have had a succession of cronie type ADs with little ability to do the job apart from glad handing the elite). I don't know 1st hand about how Bowen may have applied for another job (& I bet you don't either), know nothing about Bowen alienating the community (again an opinion), Bowen fighting with a coaching candidate - now that's headline news for which Bowen should have been fired if true (so that's more of a reflection on his boss).

Here's the point, I'm not a Bowen apologist, as I stated from 1st hand interaction. But I also know 1st hand that the Memphis athletic department before Bowen was a sanctuary for the incompetent, unknowledgeable & lazy. I also know first hand, that Bowen was brought in to clean up the athletic department. And maybe, just maybe, what you think you know comes from those apparent successful efforts. Opinions are fine, everyone has one but to make anecdotal statements, represent them as facts (while admitting he knows nothing 1st hand & doesn't want to influence anyone) which are destructive to the reputation of our university while the writer represents himself as an attorney & a Christian are reprehensible to me & go well beyond offering an opinion. In contrast my opinions are mine whether you like them or not - and I am not attempt to use hearsay to bolster their credibility.

(04-14-2016 07:56 AM)memphomike Wrote:  around here need to apologize to Rudd and Bowen.

Never happen.

(04-14-2016 07:59 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(04-14-2016 07:49 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Can u change ur name now?

I recommend TubbyLove

"Chubby4Tubby"?

(04-14-2016 07:56 AM)memphomike Wrote:  around here need to apologize to Rudd and Bowen.

The would mean the agenda of 'some folks' has changed.

for what?

Can you guys stop merging threads that have nothing to do with each other please?