http://www.easternecho.com/article/2016/...l-recruits

(04-11-2016 12:00 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  http://www.easternecho.com/article/2016/...l-recruits

The NCAA and SEC are really pathetic. No other reason to do this other than to protect their recruiting territory. No fan of Michigan, or Harbaugh, but glad he brought this to light. If anything, let's have more camps! Bring the SEC coaches up North, open competition for everyone.

Nobody really seems to care, but this does affect MAC type schools, and many of the borderline P5 recruits, and those kids without $$$$, from gaining exposure they would otherwise get from these camps.

Hopefully we hear a lot more pushback about this until some type of compromise is reached.

"According to a report by ESPN, the Big Ten, AAC, C-USA and MAC conferences voted to keep the camps, while the ACC, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12, MWC and Sun Belt voted for the proposal to ban them."

Detnews article.

I don't really follow football recruiting now (I did years ago).

I'd love to hear EagleTough's opinion on this post:

I wonder IF those so-called junior days will be bigger factors in recruiting AND give the smaller schools an advantage to keep hidden LOCAL talent.

As we've seen with CC, he works those junior day, etc. stuff really, really big. As football talent is harder to assess than basketball talent, I'd assume it will be harder for schools say 250 miles + from Detroit to fully assess and recruit local G5/borderline P5 talent.

A kid from say Brighton might not be UofM or MSU caliber, but might be good enough to play for Maryland or Rutgers yet may not be discovered by them and could end up in a local MAC school (e.g., EMU, CMU, WMU, UT, BG, etc.). These are the type of recruits CC will be on like a cheap suit in their junior years... Or a kid from say 50 miles from Grand Rapids might be missed by Maryland, Rutgers, etc.

My guess is that it will help G5 programs, etc. keep more of their local talent (e.g., within say 100 - 200 miles from campus) home. The kid where his parent can fill up the car and drive to EMU, TOL, CMU, WMU, etc.

Downside: We (MAC teams) keep more local talent (e.g., MI, OH, etc.) but lose a lot of access to FL, Ga, TX, etc. Correct?

(04-12-2016 05:14 AM)emu steve Wrote:  "According to a report by ESPN, the Big Ten, AAC, C-USA and MAC conferences voted to keep the camps, while the ACC, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12, MWC and Sun Belt voted for the proposal to ban them."

Detnews article.

I don't really follow football recruiting now (I did years ago).

I'd love to hear EagleTough's opinion on this post:

I wonder IF those so-called junior days will be bigger factors in recruiting AND give the smaller schools an advantage to keep hidden LOCAL talent.

As we've seen with CC, he works those junior day, etc. stuff really, really big. As football talent is harder to assess than basketball talent, I'd assume it will be harder for schools say 250 miles + from Detroit to fully assess and recruit local G5/borderline P5 talent.

A kid from say Brighton might not be UofM or MSU caliber, but might be good enough to play for Maryland or Rutgers yet may not be discovered by them and could end up in a local MAC school (e.g., EMU, CMU, WMU, UT, BG, etc.). These are the type of recruits CC will be on like a cheap suit in their junior years... Or a kid from say 50 miles from Grand Rapids might be missed by Maryland, Rutgers, etc.

My guess is that it will help G5 programs, etc. keep more of their local talent (e.g., within say 100 - 200 miles from campus) home. The kid where his parent can fill up the car and drive to EMU, TOL, CMU, WMU, etc.

Downside: We (MAC teams) keep more local talent (e.g., MI, OH, etc.) but lose a lot of access to FL, Ga, TX, etc. Correct?

Exactly. Why is Harbaugh running down South? Why Has the SEC been so good? There are obviously very good players in the Midwest, but the depth of talent, and level of competition in TX and FL doesn't compare.

Creighton has done a nice job with the Junior days but the bottom line still has to improve. No chance to challenge for MAC titles recruiting with the bottom third of the conference. Hopefully the new additions to the staff will benefit recruiting as well.

It has been said about the U of Iowa FB recruiting:

1). They stay in Iowa, Nebraska, etc. for the big farm boy linemen.

2). They go to Chicago and down South for the speed.

If one had a h.s. track and field championship (say 100M) between the best h.s. athletes in Iowa and say Georgia, it might be the biggest rout since the allied forces demolished Sadam's forces in Desert Storm.

One other thought:

I think much (?) of the south has SPRING football practice for high schools which I don't think is done in the Midwest.

While basketball is pretty much 12 month sport (because of AAU ball), h.s. football is much different. Big regional differences.

Ditto for h.s. baseball. Can baseball be played in February in Michigan? Good luck on that one. In Florida, Arizona, California, etc. have at it whenever...

(04-12-2016 11:02 AM)emu steve Wrote:  One other thought:

I think much (?) of the south has SPRING football practice for high schools which I don't think is done in the Midwest.

While basketball is pretty much 12 month sport (because of AAU ball), h.s. football is much different. Big regional differences.

Ditto for h.s. baseball. Can baseball be played in February in Michigan? Good luck on that one. In Florida, Arizona, California, etc. have at it whenever...

Correct, they have Spring ball just like the colleges. Also do a lot more organized 7 on 7 scrimmages and tournaments throughout the year. Even the offseason workouts are much more structured and hardcore. Most athletes are focused on 1 sport as well, because it's so competitive. Far fewer 2 & 3 sport kids. A lot of kids train year round with paid trainers and personal instructors, especially at QB, WR, DB positions.

It's actually out of control, but it is what it is. Approx. 3,000 D1 football scholarships per year, and every kid in America has been convinced by someone that they have a shot.

I'll predict that more and more schools will concentrate now on hiring more COACHES from the deep South.

If I were a HC, I'd look for assistant coaches who coached in places like FL, TX, Ga, etc.

We seem to have problems understanding men's basketball recruiting, but it is about relationships, relationships, relationships... more than strickly geography. (note: geography and relationships are related. Easier to have a coaching relationship with a h.s. coach in say Canton than say Miami, FL).

In other professions it is called networking... Not what you know, but WHO you know.

Relationships open up recruiting doors. How does a recruit in FL consider us rather than say M. Tenn State or UMass or UTSA? Well if we have relationships there, our recruiting letter might get read... Otherwise, probably not.

If CC or Murphy know coaches from Iowa or Maryland, for example, (because of their previous employment) then that will open doors.

It doesn't matter where the door is that is opened...

(04-13-2016 06:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'll predict that more and more schools will concentrate now on hiring more COACHES from the deep South.

If I were a HC, I'd look for assistant coaches who coached in places like FL, TX, Ga, etc.

We seem to have problems understanding men's basketball recruiting, but it is about relationships, relationships, relationships... more than strickly geography. (note: geography and relationships are related. Easier to have a coaching relationship with a h.s. coach in say Canton than say Miami, FL).

In other professions it is called networking... Not what you know, but WHO you know.

Relationships open up recruiting doors. How does a recruit in FL consider us rather than say M. Tenn State or UMass or UTSA? Well if we have relationships there, our recruiting letter might get read... Otherwise, probably not.

If CC or Murphy know coaches from Iowa or Maryland, for example, (because of their previous employment) then that will open doors.

It doesn't matter where the door is that is opened...

We get all of the Tampa area kids because of Haygood. Hopefully Neatherly has some Texas connections. Curious to what Reed will bring to the table as far as recruiting, looks like his background is all Midwest. Him and Bullough should be able to make some noise in Michigan and Ohio.

Football has become southern sport.

The last line says it all, just replace Kent State with EMU:

http://www.campusrush.com/jim-harbaugh-s...53351.html

Actually this article suggests it hurts kids, the more distant schools (used Iowa as an example) and helps local G5 schools... UofM, MSU, OSU, etc. will still find the P5 caliber kids in Michigan. It will be the Iowas, Nebraskas, Minnesotas, Rutgers, Marylands, etc. which will find it harder to recruit MI.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../83005984/

I'm quoting the article below:

One of the biggest arguments in support of the camps is that they provide exposure for prospects for Group of Five colleges, or lower competitive levels.

“It’s (about) the fringe kids and creating those opportunities,” Detroit King assistant Terel Patrick said. “Look at how much success those fringe kids had. We had two Detroit kids go to Iowa. Both had great success. You’re not eliminating the opportunities, but you’re making it a little more inconvenient for those opportunities to be presented to the kids.”