(04-08-2016 09:28 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  They just need to let the board bullies decide who to hire and hope they take the job.

Bullies are those who pick on defenseless people. Are you saying you're defenseless?

I think you are referring to those of us who vented our frustrations on this board over having a coach who didn't know how to coach. Some think it created a toxic environment. I wasn't sure about that until yesterday. Now, I know. They were right.

"The man is leaving for another really good job. In the process, he is extracting himself from a toxic situation that has been miserable for everyone." - Geoff Caulkins, yesterday.

He went on to tell about not being able to have Madness or end-of-year banquets anymore, about how thousands of people who paid good money for season tickets couldn't bear to go to the games they had paid to see, and how next year was only going to be worse.

Yes, it was toxic all the way around. He made it toxic for the fans, and we (probably with some help from the administration) made it toxic for him. And that's why he left.

I don't wish him any ill will -- never have -- but I am not hoping he succeeds, either. It is of no concern whatsoever to me what he does -- now. He's gone and can no longer ruin the Memphis Tiger basketball experience for me and tens of thousands of my closest friends, and that's all I ever wanted.

So, I don't know who the next coach will be, but I know a big part of the reason we have the privilege of being in a position of looking for a new one is because the fans did not, would not let up, and I'll take any bad-mouthing from people like you all day long with a grin from ear to ear. You want to call me or others who were fed up with the Pastner era bullies? Hey, knock yourself out, and GO TIGERS!!!

(04-09-2016 11:45 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 09:28 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  They just need to let the board bullies decide who to hire and hope they take the job.

Bullies are those who pick on defenseless people. Are you saying you're defenseless?

I think you are referring to those of us who vented our frustrations on this board over having a coach who didn't know how to coach. Some think it created a toxic environment. I wasn't sure about that until yesterday. Now, I know. They were right.

"The man is leaving for another really good job. In the process, he is extracting himself from a toxic situation that has been miserable for everyone." - Geoff Caulkins, yesterday.

He went on to tell about not being able to have Madness or end-of-year banquets anymore, about how thousands of people who paid good money for season tickets couldn't bear to go to the games they had paid to see, and how next year was only going to be worse.

Yes, it was toxic all the way around. He made it toxic for the fans, and we (probably with some help from the administration) made it toxic for him. And that's why he left.

I don't wish him any ill will -- never have -- but I am not hoping he succeeds, either. It is of no concern whatsoever to me what he does -- now. He's gone and can no longer ruin the Memphis Tiger basketball experience for me and tens of thousands of my closest friends, and that's all I ever wanted.

So, I don't know who the next coach will be, but I know a big part of the reason we have the privilege of being in a position of looking for a new one is because the fans did not, would not let up, and I'll take any bad-mouthing from people like you all day long with a grin from ear to ear. You want to call me or others who were fed up with the Pastner era bullies? Hey, knock yourself out, and GO TIGERS!!!

Wow MTigerBlue! This is an awesome post!!! Especially that last paragraph. Exactly how I feel.

(04-09-2016 09:59 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 06:11 PM)450bench Wrote:  And what's our record against uab again on the hardwood? Slipped my mind for a moment...

Typical weak ass retort. Instead of addressing the post, bring up UAB which has nothing to do with anything.

I couldn't have said it better myself........

TM

(04-09-2016 09:59 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 06:11 PM)450bench Wrote:  And what's our record against uab again on the hardwood? Slipped my mind for a moment...

Typical weak ass retort. Instead of addressing the post, bring up UAB which has nothing to do with anything.

Not as weak as uab's record against Memphis. Hell, you never even beat a Pastner coached Tiger team. Even with Hasse.
You guys should hire Chrissie Hynde as your coach. She's the lead singer of "The Pretenders"

(04-10-2016 08:38 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 09:59 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 06:11 PM)450bench Wrote:  And what's our record against uab again on the hardwood? Slipped my mind for a moment...

Typical weak ass retort. Instead of addressing the post, bring up UAB which has nothing to do with anything.

Not as weak as uab's record against Memphis. Hell, you never even beat a Pastner coached Tiger team. Even with Hasse.
You guys should hire Chrissie Hynde as your coach. She's the lead singer of "The Pretenders"

Yeah.


(She's the one in the red jacket)

I think this conversation has some germs of truth. But, people generally love the HC... until they don't. It's not uncommon in college athletics.

I guess where I differ is that I tend to understand more and more that it is a strong, but likely temporary relationship.

I actually didn't like Cal when he was here, started to really like him (obviously for a HC, wins really equal the love) and then when he left it was a gut punch. I was awfully sore about it, primarily b/c while I understand UK is a better job than almost anywhere, I didn't like the damned arrogance of their fanbase and being told to hire Cal's guy (TB) or 'else'.

Still, that was 7 years ago. I won't say I love Cal now, but I get it. And frankly, he made the right decision. There are between 5-20 jobs better than Memphis, and UK is in the '5' part of that list (undeniably a better job). Plus, if he had stayed, we were all going down in the NCAA's eyes. By leaving and 'splitting the evidence' he actually did us a bit of a (self serving) favor, b/c if Cal/Memphis were still a pair, the Rose sanctions would have been more ugly.

So, I don't love Cal, probably never did, still find him a little irritating on TV, but respect him as a coach, think he made the right decision, and strongly assume once we get some real success again, that Cal will be happy memory. We just need some comparable happy memories to properly put his tenure in good context.

Larry? I loved Larry, who doesn't? He was Memphis hoops and a living legend.

Pastner? Screw it, I like the guy. A lot. I think he's intelligent, kind, and hard working. I have little respect for how he started lashing out at the end, but I'll chalk that up to stress and the knowledge that he gave what he could and it wasn't enough. I make no apologies for either liking him or wishing him well. And I firmly believe that if he learns from his errors here, he could potentially be hell on wheels.

Having said the above, in all cases, you still love the program and the city and the kids over the coach, even if you also love them as well. My honest admiration for parts of Pastner's tenure never could overshadow the question of what is better for the program. Once it became apparent it wasn't going to happen for him here, it was time to make a change.

Program > Coach.

If you remember that, you'll probably be happy most of the time.

(04-09-2016 11:55 PM)TigerPhil Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 11:45 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 09:28 AM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  They just need to let the board bullies decide who to hire and hope they take the job.

Bullies are those who pick on defenseless people. Are you saying you're defenseless?

I think you are referring to those of us who vented our frustrations on this board over having a coach who didn't know how to coach. Some think it created a toxic environment. I wasn't sure about that until yesterday. Now, I know. They were right.

"The man is leaving for another really good job. In the process, he is extracting himself from a toxic situation that has been miserable for everyone." - Geoff Caulkins, yesterday.

He went on to tell about not being able to have Madness or end-of-year banquets anymore, about how thousands of people who paid good money for season tickets couldn't bear to go to the games they had paid to see, and how next year was only going to be worse.

Yes, it was toxic all the way around. He made it toxic for the fans, and we (probably with some help from the administration) made it toxic for him. And that's why he left.

I don't wish him any ill will -- never have -- but I am not hoping he succeeds, either. It is of no concern whatsoever to me what he does -- now. He's gone and can no longer ruin the Memphis Tiger basketball experience for me and tens of thousands of my closest friends, and that's all I ever wanted.

So, I don't know who the next coach will be, but I know a big part of the reason we have the privilege of being in a position of looking for a new one is because the fans did not, would not let up, and I'll take any bad-mouthing from people like you all day long with a grin from ear to ear. You want to call me or others who were fed up with the Pastner era bullies? Hey, knock yourself out, and GO TIGERS!!!

Wow MTigerBlue! This is an awesome post!!! Especially that last paragraph. Exactly how I feel.

I'm calling the various name callers and smart axes bullies. I criticized Paster. A lot of people did. Most were civil. Some were jerks. If the shoe fits...

(04-10-2016 12:27 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  I'm calling the various name callers and smart axes bullies. I criticized Paster. A lot of people did. Most were civil. Some were jerks. If the shoe fits...

Name callers, smart axes, jerks . . . and you think of yourself as one of the civil ones? Better watch out for that plank in your eye, brother.