Comrade Bernie at a United Way fundraiser,

For the kickoff of the 40th annual Chittenden County United Way fund-raising drive in Burlington, Vt., the sponsors considered themselves fortunate to have as guests Mayor Bernard Sanders of Burlington and Gov. Richard Snelling of Vermont.

But the charity workers heard the sort of things they wanted to hear from only one of their guests.

''I don't believe in charities,'' said Mayor Sanders, bringing a shocked silence to a packed hotel banquet room. The Mayor, who is a Socialist, went on to question the ''fundamental concepts on which charities are based'' and contended that government, rather than charity organizations, should take over responsibility for social programs.

Governor Snelling sought to counter Mr. Sanders' remarks, saying: ''Charity is not a dirty word. We have discovered that you can't buy caring.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/19/nyregi...#pq=GTBW90

Is he Karl Marx reincarnated?

He's a lunatic hippie.

Dayum. Can't be any clearer than that. I'm sure he would lump churches in there as well, since they are inherently dependent on charity. Government run churches anyone?

(04-08-2016 10:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Comrade Bernie at a United Way fundraiser,
For the kickoff of the 40th annual Chittenden County United Way fund-raising drive in Burlington, Vt., the sponsors considered themselves fortunate to have as guests Mayor Bernard Sanders of Burlington and Gov. Richard Snelling of Vermont.
But the charity workers heard the sort of things they wanted to hear from only one of their guests.
''I don't believe in charities,'' said Mayor Sanders, bringing a shocked silence to a packed hotel banquet room. The Mayor, who is a Socialist, went on to question the ''fundamental concepts on which charities are based'' and contended that government, rather than charity organizations, should take over responsibility for social programs.
Governor Snelling sought to counter Mr. Sanders' remarks, saying: ''Charity is not a dirty word. We have discovered that you can't buy caring.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/19/nyregi...#pq=GTBW90
Is he Karl Marx reincarnated?

Pretty much.

This pretty much flies in the face of all the "Jesus was a socialist" crap, too.

(04-08-2016 10:39 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  Dayum. Can't be any clearer than that. I'm sure he would lump churches in there as well, since they are inherently dependent on charity. Government run churches anyone?

They would need a permit and their speech would be monitored as is the case in China. Muslims would get an exemption.

(04-08-2016 10:45 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 10:39 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  Dayum. Can't be any clearer than that. I'm sure he would lump churches in there as well, since they are inherently dependent on charity. Government run churches anyone?

They would need a permit and their speech would be monitored as is the case in China. Muslims would get an exemption.

I could definitely see a "you need to start performing LGBT weddings or you're defunded and banned from practicing religion". Totally...that would end well.

The guy's on record for hating charities, and loves rationing and long bread lines, and praised the USSR. Granted these statements are from the 80s, but I doubt he's changed much.

I know there's very little love for Hillary out there, but we can't afford someone so off the left-wing deep end to even sniff a chance at the White House. It's gotta be Hillary for the Dem nomination. Sanders' presence in the Final Four is unsettling enough.

Wow. The only thing I can say is at least he's being transparent, unlike most libs. Still, wow.

If folks like Bernie, Hillary, and the Leftist love Sweeden so much, why don;t they all just emigrate there? Oh, yeah. Sweeden probably has a problem with looking the other way accepting illegal immigrants and including them in their social welfare system no questions asked like we do.

Comrade Sanders is the biggest threat to America of anyone in politics. He must be stopped at all cost.

But, but.. "democratic" socialism.

In a just and fair society there wouldn't be a need for charity.

(04-08-2016 02:43 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  In a just and fair society there wouldn't be a need for charity.

I don't think that's fair to say.

There are always going to be the least intelligent, the least well equipped, the least prepared, and the least competent. Those will inevitably make up the poor and there is nothing justice or fairness can do to elevate them.

(04-08-2016 02:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 02:43 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  In a just and fair society there wouldn't be a need for charity.

I don't think that's fair to say.

There are always going to be the least intelligent, the least well equipped, the least prepared, and the least competent. Those will inevitably make up the poor and there is nothing justice or fairness can do to elevate them.

That's a fair response. But I'd still say in a truly fair and just society there'd be no need for charity. Society would adjust and treat its 'least' as it does its 'most.' It would account for differences in talents and abilities and make sure people had the basics to survive.

The old 'to each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities' or something along those lines (I'm not looking it up).

(04-08-2016 02:54 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 02:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 02:43 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  In a just and fair society there wouldn't be a need for charity.

I don't think that's fair to say.

There are always going to be the least intelligent, the least well equipped, the least prepared, and the least competent. Those will inevitably make up the poor and there is nothing justice or fairness can do to elevate them.

That's a fair response. But I'd still say in a truly fair and just society there'd be no need for charity. Society would adjust and treat its 'least' as it does its 'most.' It would account for differences in talents and abilities and make sure people had the basics to survive.

The old 'to each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities' or something along those lines (I'm not looking it up).

I think the closest you would find to that would be the medieval church, which provided for the sick, poor, and needy.

At that point you could go to any city or town and if you needed food or a place to stay the Church would take care of it. The same was true if you were sick or down on your luck.

(04-08-2016 02:54 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 02:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 02:43 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  In a just and fair society there wouldn't be a need for charity.

I don't think that's fair to say.

There are always going to be the least intelligent, the least well equipped, the least prepared, and the least competent. Those will inevitably make up the poor and there is nothing justice or fairness can do to elevate them.

That's a fair response. But I'd still say in a truly fair and just society there'd be no need for charity. Society would adjust and treat its 'least' as it does its 'most.' It would account for differences in talents and abilities and make sure people had the basics to survive.

The old 'to each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities' or something along those lines (I'm not looking it up).

Isn't that why society has developed charities and charitable giving?

He's not saying anything most progressives don't actually believe. If there is a charity out there then the government is failing to fulfill that need.

I don't know about all that generally speaking, but one example I was thinking of is charities for veterans. Why would they need charities? They're people that the government should be taking care of. They were sent to war (probably) and whatever physical or mental infirmities they developed as a result really are in most cases the direct responsibility of the government.

(04-08-2016 10:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Comrade Bernie at a United Way fundraiser,

For the kickoff of the 40th annual Chittenden County United Way fund-raising drive in Burlington, Vt., the sponsors considered themselves fortunate to have as guests Mayor Bernard Sanders of Burlington and Gov. Richard Snelling of Vermont.

But the charity workers heard the sort of things they wanted to hear from only one of their guests.

''I don't believe in charities,'' said Mayor Sanders, bringing a shocked silence to a packed hotel banquet room. The Mayor, who is a Socialist, went on to question the ''fundamental concepts on which charities are based'' and contended that government, rather than charity organizations, should take over responsibility for social programs.

Governor Snelling sought to counter Mr. Sanders' remarks, saying: ''Charity is not a dirty word. We have discovered that you can't buy caring.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/19/nyregi...#pq=GTBW90

Is he Karl Marx reincarnated?

Democrats believe in charity, as long as it is done with other people's money.

(04-08-2016 03:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-08-2016 10:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Comrade Bernie at a United Way fundraiser,

For the kickoff of the 40th annual Chittenden County United Way fund-raising drive in Burlington, Vt., the sponsors considered themselves fortunate to have as guests Mayor Bernard Sanders of Burlington and Gov. Richard Snelling of Vermont.

But the charity workers heard the sort of things they wanted to hear from only one of their guests.

''I don't believe in charities,'' said Mayor Sanders, bringing a shocked silence to a packed hotel banquet room. The Mayor, who is a Socialist, went on to question the ''fundamental concepts on which charities are based'' and contended that government, rather than charity organizations, should take over responsibility for social programs.

Governor Snelling sought to counter Mr. Sanders' remarks, saying: ''Charity is not a dirty word. We have discovered that you can't buy caring.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/19/nyregi...#pq=GTBW90

Is he Karl Marx reincarnated?

Democrats believe in charity, as long as it is done with other people's money.

And by force

(04-08-2016 02:43 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  In a just and fair society there wouldn't be a need for charity.

The poor will always be with us. Those who have special needs will always be with us. There is need for charity in any society.