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RE: Why "Democratic" Socialism Doesn't Work
(04-07-2016 02:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 01:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 01:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Nice attempt of deflection but we aren't talking about the rest of the world. We are talking about the United States and our system of capitalism.

OK fine. Much of America's major problems come from government oppression. Don't mistake "oppression" as concentration camps, death squads, or the like. It can be "oppressive" with entitled bureaucracy, lazy administration, court dictats, petty elected officials, and other deaths by a thousands cuts.

(04-07-2016 01:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not saying that governments cannot be corrupt but let's not pretend that Laissez Faire is immune to corruption.

If there is less government, there is less opportunity to influence government. Currently only the government has the ability to enforce contracts and law and order through the threat of fines, violence and incarceration.

(04-07-2016 01:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  At least when our government is corrupt, we can vote them out. With industry, we sometimes have no choice.

You can cash in your ExxonMobil stock any day of the week. You can sell your iPhone on Craigslist. You never need to eat at Chick-fil-A in your life if you so desire. But we are stuck with the government voted into office. Considering that democracy can only survive until the majority discovers they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury, and that the current Blue Model of government is to provide goodies at public expense that then turn into “entitlements” granted by the force of law that can’t be reasonably undone as entire generations think it’s the norm and expect nothing less, there is little chance of voting that out of office.

When you reach the level of pure hatred and contempt that liberals have for conservatives, well, where do you go? Liberals are not interested in governing with conservatives. Liberals want to rule the nearly half of Americans who are conservatives, liberals want to tell conservatives what to do, and liberals will accept any means that it takes to get there.

If the business is poisoning your drinking water or leaking radiation, not stepping foot in their business is no help at all.

The EPA is very good at destroying rivers.

Not nearly as good as business is.
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Quote:OK fine. Much of America's major problems come from government oppression. Don't mistake "oppression" as concentration camps, death squads, or the like. It can be "oppressive" with entitled bureaucracy, lazy administration, court dictats, petty elected officials, and other deaths by a thousands cut
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That sort of corruption will always take place regardless of size of government or type of government. That pales in comparison to enslavement of a group of people for centuries.



Quote:If there is less government, there is less opportunity to influence government. Currently only the government has the ability to enforce contracts and law and order through the threat of fines, violence and incarceration.

On the contrary, if there is less government, it is easier to control and influence. The less people you have to bribe, the greater the influence. Our government was created specifically to be inefficient so that events could not greatly influence it.


Quote:You can cash in your ExxonMobil stock any day of the week. You can sell your iPhone on Craigslist. You never need to eat at Chick-fil-A in your life if you so desire. But we are stuck with the government voted into office. Considering that democracy can only survive until the majority discovers they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury, and that the current Blue Model of government is to provide goodies at public expense that then turn into “entitlements” granted by the force of law that can’t be reasonably undone as entire generations think it’s the norm and expect nothing less, there is little chance of voting that out of office.

Sure you can cash in your ExxonMobil stock but you still need to buy gas to drive or heat your home. When a handful of companies monopolize an entire industry, the consumer has little recourse.

Quote:When you reach the level of pure hatred and contempt that liberals have for conservatives, well, where do you go? Liberals are not interested in governing with conservatives. Liberals want to rule the nearly half of Americans who are conservatives, liberals want to tell conservatives what to do, and liberals will accept any means that it takes to get there.

Save the theatrics for Fox News. I just said that I believe most conservatives are good. Let's not also forget that it was the republicans that vowed not to work with Obama before he even took office. Liberals want to tell Conservatives what to do? Don't make me laugh. It's the conservatives that wants government to get into women's vaginas.
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(04-07-2016 02:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 01:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 01:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Nice attempt of deflection but we aren't talking about the rest of the world. We are talking about the United States and our system of capitalism.

OK fine. Much of America's major problems come from government oppression. Don't mistake "oppression" as concentration camps, death squads, or the like. It can be "oppressive" with entitled bureaucracy, lazy administration, court dictats, petty elected officials, and other deaths by a thousands cuts.

(04-07-2016 01:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not saying that governments cannot be corrupt but let's not pretend that Laissez Faire is immune to corruption.

If there is less government, there is less opportunity to influence government. Currently only the government has the ability to enforce contracts and law and order through the threat of fines, violence and incarceration.

(04-07-2016 01:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  At least when our government is corrupt, we can vote them out. With industry, we sometimes have no choice.

You can cash in your ExxonMobil stock any day of the week. You can sell your iPhone on Craigslist. You never need to eat at Chick-fil-A in your life if you so desire. But we are stuck with the government voted into office. Considering that democracy can only survive until the majority discovers they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury, and that the current Blue Model of government is to provide goodies at public expense that then turn into “entitlements” granted by the force of law that can’t be reasonably undone as entire generations think it’s the norm and expect nothing less, there is little chance of voting that out of office.

When you reach the level of pure hatred and contempt that liberals have for conservatives, well, where do you go? Liberals are not interested in governing with conservatives. Liberals want to rule the nearly half of Americans who are conservatives, liberals want to tell conservatives what to do, and liberals will accept any means that it takes to get there.

If the business is poisoning your drinking water or leaking radiation, not stepping foot in their business is no help at all.

The EPA is very good at destroying rivers.

Not nearly as good as business is.

At least, businesses provide jobs and goods. The EPA just provides silly headlines.
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RE: Why "Democratic" Socialism Doesn't Work
(04-07-2016 02:46 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 01:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  OK fine. Much of America's major problems come from government oppression. Don't mistake "oppression" as concentration camps, death squads, or the like. It can be "oppressive" with entitled bureaucracy, lazy administration, court dictats, petty elected officials, and other deaths by a thousands cuts.


If there is less government, there is less opportunity to influence government. Currently only the government has the ability to enforce contracts and law and order through the threat of fines, violence and incarceration.


You can cash in your ExxonMobil stock any day of the week. You can sell your iPhone on Craigslist. You never need to eat at Chick-fil-A in your life if you so desire. But we are stuck with the government voted into office. Considering that democracy can only survive until the majority discovers they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury, and that the current Blue Model of government is to provide goodies at public expense that then turn into “entitlements” granted by the force of law that can’t be reasonably undone as entire generations think it’s the norm and expect nothing less, there is little chance of voting that out of office.

When you reach the level of pure hatred and contempt that liberals have for conservatives, well, where do you go? Liberals are not interested in governing with conservatives. Liberals want to rule the nearly half of Americans who are conservatives, liberals want to tell conservatives what to do, and liberals will accept any means that it takes to get there.

If the business is poisoning your drinking water or leaking radiation, not stepping foot in their business is no help at all.

The EPA is very good at destroying rivers.

Not nearly as good as business is.

At least, businesses provide jobs and goods. The EPA just provides silly headlines.

Do you even know how many jobs the government provides?
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(04-07-2016 02:47 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:46 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  If the business is poisoning your drinking water or leaking radiation, not stepping foot in their business is no help at all.

The EPA is very good at destroying rivers.

Not nearly as good as business is.

At least, businesses provide jobs and goods. The EPA just provides silly headlines.

Do you even know how many jobs the government provides?

I do know, a lot of needless ones.
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(04-07-2016 02:46 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:37 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:24 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 01:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  OK fine. Much of America's major problems come from government oppression. Don't mistake "oppression" as concentration camps, death squads, or the like. It can be "oppressive" with entitled bureaucracy, lazy administration, court dictats, petty elected officials, and other deaths by a thousands cuts.


If there is less government, there is less opportunity to influence government. Currently only the government has the ability to enforce contracts and law and order through the threat of fines, violence and incarceration.


You can cash in your ExxonMobil stock any day of the week. You can sell your iPhone on Craigslist. You never need to eat at Chick-fil-A in your life if you so desire. But we are stuck with the government voted into office. Considering that democracy can only survive until the majority discovers they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury, and that the current Blue Model of government is to provide goodies at public expense that then turn into “entitlements” granted by the force of law that can’t be reasonably undone as entire generations think it’s the norm and expect nothing less, there is little chance of voting that out of office.

When you reach the level of pure hatred and contempt that liberals have for conservatives, well, where do you go? Liberals are not interested in governing with conservatives. Liberals want to rule the nearly half of Americans who are conservatives, liberals want to tell conservatives what to do, and liberals will accept any means that it takes to get there.

If the business is poisoning your drinking water or leaking radiation, not stepping foot in their business is no help at all.

The EPA is very good at destroying rivers.

Not nearly as good as business is.

At least, businesses provide jobs and goods. The EPA just provides silly headlines.

LOL.
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(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:OK fine. Much of America's major problems come from government oppression. Don't mistake "oppression" as concentration camps, death squads, or the like. It can be "oppressive" with entitled bureaucracy, lazy administration, court dictats, petty elected officials, and other deaths by a thousands cut
s.

That sort of corruption will always take place regardless of size of government or type of government. That pales in comparison to enslavement of a group of people for centuries.



Quote:If there is less government, there is less opportunity to influence government. Currently only the government has the ability to enforce contracts and law and order through the threat of fines, violence and incarceration.

On the contrary, if there is less government, it is easier to control and influence. The less people you have to bribe, the greater the influence. Our government was created specifically to be inefficient so that events could not greatly influence it.


Quote:You can cash in your ExxonMobil stock any day of the week. You can sell your iPhone on Craigslist. You never need to eat at Chick-fil-A in your life if you so desire. But we are stuck with the government voted into office. Considering that democracy can only survive until the majority discovers they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury, and that the current Blue Model of government is to provide goodies at public expense that then turn into “entitlements” granted by the force of law that can’t be reasonably undone as entire generations think it’s the norm and expect nothing less, there is little chance of voting that out of office.

Sure you can cash in your ExxonMobil stock but you still need to buy gas to drive or heat your home. When a handful of companies monopolize an entire industry, the consumer has little recourse.

Quote:When you reach the level of pure hatred and contempt that liberals have for conservatives, well, where do you go? Liberals are not interested in governing with conservatives. Liberals want to rule the nearly half of Americans who are conservatives, liberals want to tell conservatives what to do, and liberals will accept any means that it takes to get there.

Save the theatrics for Fox News. I just said that I believe most conservatives are good. Let's not also forget that it was the republicans that vowed not to work with Obama before he even took office. Liberals want to tell Conservatives what to do? Don't make me laugh. It's the conservatives that wants government to get into women's vaginas.

And Obama told the Conservatives that "elections have consequences" and "that they can come along for the ride but have to sit in the back of the bus." Pot meet kettle.

Liberal women want the government involved in "their vaginas" when it is serves their purposes...like "have my health insurance pay for my contraception" but don't want the government involved in "their vaginas" by putting any restrictions on getting an abortion. (They are talking out of both sides of their mouths.)
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Reading some of these comments, I'm left asking one question -- When did the left in this country lose their collective fk'in' minds?

It appears that even those who admit that they don't associate with "democratic" socialism, they still seem to have a strong resentment towards practically every principle that this country was founded on.
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(04-07-2016 09:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-06-2016 08:42 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Crowder knocks another one out of the park.



This guy is full of crap. He says that his belief is that when individuals are given the freedom to make their own decision, they make better decisions than the government.

Except that isn't a fact at all. The facts and history of this country is that when individuals are were given the freedom to make their own decision, they enslaved black people.

I turned him off after that B.S.

Yet another person who needs to read a history book.

You never cease to amaze.

Another post for the Fitfail hall of fame.

If you ever DO get around to history of the world part xxx, whatever parts you haven't been told what to believe yet, please do read a history book.

Perhaps focus on who and where and for whom the slave trade began and flourished. Follow that up with who paid with their lives to see it end.

Fitfail hint #1- It wasn't the Portugese, it wasn't the French nor Spanish, Dutch or Brits...

Read a book. 07-coffee3
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(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Our government was created specifically to be inefficient so that events could not greatly influence it.

The government was created to have Check and Balances, not to be inefficient via permanent bureaucracy with princely career administrators and complex regulations......

(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Sure you can cash in your ExxonMobil stock but you still need to buy gas to drive or heat your home. When a handful of companies monopolize an entire industry, the consumer has little recourse.

There is always recourse. Sell your car and ride a bicycle. Heat your home with alternative sources like wind or solar. Buy American. Send a check to the government to fund the programs you desire. If it's important, you will find a way.

(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Let's not also forget that it was the republicans that vowed not to work with Obama before he even took office.

Obama and liberals want to enact policies that many conservatives do not agree with so that's a perfect example of Check and Balances. It's how things are designed to work....... it seems that liberals, and government bureaucrats of all stripes, are unable to comprehend that it is possible for one person to have more without causing some other person to have less. That's nutz!

(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Liberals want to tell Conservatives what to do? Don't make me laugh. It's the conservatives that wants government to get into women's vaginas

And it's liberals who support infanticide. What an odd thing for liberals to be proud of.....
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(04-07-2016 03:34 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Our government was created specifically to be inefficient so that events could not greatly influence it.

The government was created to have Check and Balances, not to be inefficient via permanent bureaucracy with princely career administrators and complex regulations......

(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Sure you can cash in your ExxonMobil stock but you still need to buy gas to drive or heat your home. When a handful of companies monopolize an entire industry, the consumer has little recourse.

There is always recourse. Sell your car and ride bicycle. Heat your home with alternative sources like wind or solar. By American. Send a check to the government to fund the programs you desire. If it's important, you will find a way.

(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Let's not also forget that it was the republicans that vowed not to work with Obama before he even took office.

Obama and liberals want to enact policies that many conservatives do not agree with so that's a perfect example of Check and Balances. It's how things are designed to work....... it seems that liberals, and government bureaucrats of all stripes, are unable to comprehend that it is possible for one person to have more without causing some other person to have less. That's nutz!

(04-07-2016 02:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Liberals want to tell Conservatives what to do? Don't make me laugh. It's the conservatives that wants government to get into women's vaginas

And it's liberals who support infanticide. What an odd thing for liberals to be proud of.....

It's one thing to disagree with another's viewpoint. It's quite another to say you aren't going to work with them. Like it or not, they have to work with them, it's part of their job. It's what they're being paid for. So closing their eyes and yelling LALALALALALALALA is not an answer for Republicans, any more than it is for Democrats.
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(04-07-2016 03:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's one thing to disagree with another's viewpoint. It's quite another to say you aren't going to work with them. Like it or not, they have to work with them, it's part of their job.

As but one example, Obamacare was passed by Democrats without one single Republican vote. Why should Republicans work to help Obamacare.

Hell, conservatives hope to retake the Presidency so they can repeal it without facing Democrat obstruction in Congress or veto in the White House.

This is how things work. Again, it's part of Checks and Balances.

If Republicans passed a bill tomorrow overturning Roe vs Wade (yes this is simplistic) would liberals expect Democrats to roll over and accept the decision?
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Quote:The government was created to have Check and Balances, not to be inefficient via permanent bureaucracy with princely career administrators and complex regulations......

I agree. I would add however pledges to obstruct a president and government shut downs.



Quote:There is always recourse. Sell your car and ride a bicycle. Heat your home with alternative sources like wind or solar. Buy American. Send a check to the government to fund the programs you desire. If it's important, you will find a way.

Yes but it isn't as easy as you might think. As a matter of fact, I've had a hell of a time trying to switch to solar. The government is giving me an intensive to do so. Guess who is attempting to stop me? You guessed it. The Private Electric company.



Quote:And it's liberals who support infanticide. What an odd thing for liberals to be proud of.....
Again with the theatrics. I don't know of anyone who would be proud of infanticide. I personally am 100% pro life from conception to the end of life.
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(04-07-2016 03:58 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 03:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It's one thing to disagree with another's viewpoint. It's quite another to say you aren't going to work with them. Like it or not, they have to work with them, it's part of their job.

As but one example, Obamacare was passed by Democrats without one single Republican vote. Why should Republicans work to help Obamacare.

Hell, conservatives hope to retake the Presidency so they can repeal it without facing Democrat obstruction in Congress or veto in the White House.

This is how things work. Again, it's part of Checks and Balances.

If Republicans passed a bill tomorrow overturning Roe vs Wade (yes this is simplistic) would liberals expect Democrats to roll over and accept the decision?

Well don't act like the Democrats are the only ones that won't work with the other side. This is what we hear from Republican pundits constantly. Obviously the Republicans do the same exact thing.
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(04-07-2016 11:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 11:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 11:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 09:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  This guy is full of crap. He says that his belief is that when individuals are given the freedom to make their own decision, they make better decisions than the government.

Except that isn't a fact at all.

What color is the sun on your planet? 03-lmfao

Western Civilization. It was a fun run. Adios, Representative Constitutional Republic. Welcome to the dawn of Fitbud's Authoritarian Bureaucracy.

You took my post out of context. I said that individuals do not make good decisions when given the freedom to do so and slavery is the proof.

When the United States was first established, and the government wasn't in everyone's business, ( you know that time that you republicans want to take America back to) people enslaved other people.

The US govt allowed slavery to go on for a long time. So much for your "individual" theory.

That's just it, it isn't my theory, it's this intellectual midget with the "School House Rock Shirt".

And funny...You did not offer a single shred of rebuttal to anything he said. Id be careful about who I called an intellectual midget.07-coffee3
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(04-07-2016 04:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 11:29 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 11:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 11:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 09:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  What color is the sun on your planet? 03-lmfao

Western Civilization. It was a fun run. Adios, Representative Constitutional Republic. Welcome to the dawn of Fitbud's Authoritarian Bureaucracy.

You took my post out of context. I said that individuals do not make good decisions when given the freedom to do so and slavery is the proof.

When the United States was first established, and the government wasn't in everyone's business, ( you know that time that you republicans want to take America back to) people enslaved other people.

The US govt allowed slavery to go on for a long time. So much for your "individual" theory.

That's just it, it isn't my theory, it's this intellectual midget with the "School House Rock Shirt".

And funny...You did not offer a single shred of rebuttal to anything he said. Id be careful about who I called an intellectual midget.07-coffee3

I most certainly did but it probably went over your head. No pun intended. 07-coffee3
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(04-07-2016 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:There is always recourse. Sell your car and ride a bicycle. Heat your home with alternative sources like wind or solar. Buy American. Send a check to the government to fund the programs you desire. If it's important, you will find a way.

Yes but it isn't as easy as you might think. As a matter of fact, I've had a hell of a time trying to switch to solar. The government is giving me an intensive to do so. Guess who is attempting to stop me? You guessed it. The Private Electric company.

What specifically is your electric company doing trying to stop you?
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(04-07-2016 05:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:There is always recourse. Sell your car and ride a bicycle. Heat your home with alternative sources like wind or solar. Buy American. Send a check to the government to fund the programs you desire. If it's important, you will find a way.

Yes but it isn't as easy as you might think. As a matter of fact, I've had a hell of a time trying to switch to solar. The government is giving me an intensive to do so. Guess who is attempting to stop me? You guessed it. The Private Electric company.

What specifically is your electric company doing trying to stop you?

They are asking the government to allow them to charge solar customers extra.
04-07-2016 07:27 PM
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RE: Why "Democratic" Socialism Doesn't Work
(04-07-2016 07:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 05:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:There is always recourse. Sell your car and ride a bicycle. Heat your home with alternative sources like wind or solar. Buy American. Send a check to the government to fund the programs you desire. If it's important, you will find a way.

Yes but it isn't as easy as you might think. As a matter of fact, I've had a hell of a time trying to switch to solar. The government is giving me an intensive to do so. Guess who is attempting to stop me? You guessed it. The Private Electric company.

What specifically is your electric company doing trying to stop you?

They are asking the government to allow them to charge solar customers extra.

All I'm finding are electric companies asking for small fees to maintain the grid. What is your's wanting?
04-07-2016 10:19 PM
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RE: Why "Democratic" Socialism Doesn't Work
(04-07-2016 10:19 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 07:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 05:29 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(04-07-2016 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
Quote:There is always recourse. Sell your car and ride a bicycle. Heat your home with alternative sources like wind or solar. Buy American. Send a check to the government to fund the programs you desire. If it's important, you will find a way.

Yes but it isn't as easy as you might think. As a matter of fact, I've had a hell of a time trying to switch to solar. The government is giving me an intensive to do so. Guess who is attempting to stop me? You guessed it. The Private Electric company.

What specifically is your electric company doing trying to stop you?

They are asking the government to allow them to charge solar customers extra.

All I'm finding are electric companies asking for small fees to maintain the grid. What is your's wanting?

they are discriminating by charging some extra but not others.
04-07-2016 10:54 PM
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