Great Article...

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http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2016/04/0...or-sports/

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http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2016/0...-2016.html

Last I checked, lax runs in the black at SU. Without looking, I'm guessing that's also true at ND, Duke, UNC, and UVA. There are more than three sports that make money.

89-90 through 95-96 was a good period for a smaller sized league 8/9 schools:

Basketball Finals (Champs in bold)

90 Duke, 91 Duke, 92 Duke, 93 UNC, 94 Duke

Football National Championship Game or Equivalent (Champs in bold)
90 GT, 93 FSU, 96 FSU

Baseball Finals of CWS

94 GT

(04-06-2016 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Last I checked, lax runs in the black at SU. Without looking, I'm guessing that's also true at ND, Duke, UNC, and UVA. There are more than three sports that make money.

My yard sale turns a profit but it isn't a significant source of revenue. Lacrosse is the yard sale of ACC sports.

In before someone calls lacrosse the next big thing.

(Which for the record they have been saying since I was a kid in the 70's)

(04-07-2016 10:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Last I checked, lax runs in the black at SU. Without looking, I'm guessing that's also true at ND, Duke, UNC, and UVA. There are more than three sports that make money.

My yard sale turns a profit but it isn't a significant source of revenue. Lacrosse is the yard sale of ACC sports.

Lacrosse is as significantly a source of income for some programs as baseball is for others. I used baseball because the first link in the OP listed baseball as a major revenue sport, which its kind of, not.

(04-07-2016 11:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 10:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Last I checked, lax runs in the black at SU. Without looking, I'm guessing that's also true at ND, Duke, UNC, and UVA. There are more than three sports that make money.

My yard sale turns a profit but it isn't a significant source of revenue. Lacrosse is the yard sale of ACC sports.

Lacrosse is as significantly a source of income for some programs as baseball is for others. I used baseball because the first link in the OP listed baseball as a major revenue sport, which its kind of, not.

That's fair. Baseball is a major PROFESSIONAL sport, but not so much in college.
Of course, Lacrosse is not considered a major sport at any level.

Still, if anyone wants to argue that nothing really matters besides football and men's basketball, I wouldn't disagree with that position.

I definitely think so....I think ACC football is about to get pretty good with NC, Louisville, and Miami all entering top 25 territory

ACC basketball is here to stay of course

The conference I see having problems soon is the PAC 12....how long do Oregon and Stanford stay at the top? It's taking USC longer to rebound than media pundits thought...and UCLA still hasn't come along as an elite team. Who does that leave? Combine that with a weak viewing audience, and you've got problems....

(04-07-2016 10:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Last I checked, lax runs in the black at SU. Without looking, I'm guessing that's also true at ND, Duke, UNC, and UVA. There are more than three sports that make money.

My yard sale turns a profit but it isn't a significant source of revenue. Lacrosse is the yard sale of ACC sports.

Be careful what you say. Telling FSU fans that a couple million isn't a big deal could literally cause a heart attack.

(04-07-2016 12:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 11:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 10:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Last I checked, lax runs in the black at SU. Without looking, I'm guessing that's also true at ND, Duke, UNC, and UVA. There are more than three sports that make money.

My yard sale turns a profit but it isn't a significant source of revenue. Lacrosse is the yard sale of ACC sports.

Lacrosse is as significantly a source of income for some programs as baseball is for others. I used baseball because the first link in the OP listed baseball as a major revenue sport, which its kind of, not.

That's fair. Baseball is a major PROFESSIONAL sport, but not so much in college.
Of course, Lacrosse is not considered a major sport at any level.

Still, if anyone wants to argue that nothing really matters besides football and men's basketball, I wouldn't disagree with that position.

My point is that the average college baseball team probably makes less than the average ACC lax team. If one is major, so is the other.

That said, I'm happy keeping the list confined to football, basketball, and beach volleyball (some things are worth more than dollars).

(04-07-2016 12:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 11:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 10:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-06-2016 07:51 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Last I checked, lax runs in the black at SU. Without looking, I'm guessing that's also true at ND, Duke, UNC, and UVA. There are more than three sports that make money.

My yard sale turns a profit but it isn't a significant source of revenue. Lacrosse is the yard sale of ACC sports.

Lacrosse is as significantly a source of income for some programs as baseball is for others. I used baseball because the first link in the OP listed baseball as a major revenue sport, which its kind of, not.

That's fair. Baseball is a major PROFESSIONAL sport, but not so much in college.
Of course, Lacrosse is not considered a major sport at any level.

Still, if anyone wants to argue that nothing really matters besides football and men's basketball, I wouldn't disagree with that position.

Agreed

(04-07-2016 04:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I definitely think so....I think ACC football is about to get pretty good with NC, Louisville, and Miami all entering top 25 territory

ACC basketball is here to stay of course

The conference I see having problems soon is the PAC 12....how long do Oregon and Stanford stay at the top? It's taking USC longer to rebound than media pundits thought...and UCLA still hasn't come along as an elite team. Who does that leave? Combine that with a weak viewing audience, and you've got problems....

Do not hold your breath regarding UNC. They have not put a decent defense, a top QB, and a top RB on the field at the same time in 10 decades. In fact they rarely have a QB to match RB or Defensive talent for whatever reason that quirk. If we live long enough we might live to see such a day. But for some reason is just doesn't happen. In my opinion, UNC was closer to having all the needed elements under Bill Dooley than they were with Mack Brown, Dick Crum, or with the Hat.

(04-07-2016 09:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 04:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I definitely think so....I think ACC football is about to get pretty good with NC, Louisville, and Miami all entering top 25 territory

ACC basketball is here to stay of course

The conference I see having problems soon is the PAC 12....how long do Oregon and Stanford stay at the top? It's taking USC longer to rebound than media pundits thought...and UCLA still hasn't come along as an elite team. Who does that leave? Combine that with a weak viewing audience, and you've got problems....

Do not hold your breath regarding UNC. They have not put a decent defense, a top QB, and a top RB on the field at the same time in 10 decades. In fact they rarely have a QB to match RB or Defensive talent for whatever reason that quirk. If we live long enough we might live to see such a day. But for some reason is just doesn't happen. In my opinion, UNC was closer to having all the needed elements under Bill Dooley than they were with Mack Brown, Dick Crum, or with the Hat.

They've got the right coaching staff, and they've got some success under their belt now....I definitely think they're here to stay. The problem is Miami is going to get better too...and then you have Georgia Tech and Duke that can be nasty. In fact, is there really a bad team in the Coastal?

The ACC is getting better

(04-08-2016 08:11 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 09:11 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(04-07-2016 04:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I definitely think so....I think ACC football is about to get pretty good with NC, Louisville, and Miami all entering top 25 territory

ACC basketball is here to stay of course

The conference I see having problems soon is the PAC 12....how long do Oregon and Stanford stay at the top? It's taking USC longer to rebound than media pundits thought...and UCLA still hasn't come along as an elite team. Who does that leave? Combine that with a weak viewing audience, and you've got problems....

Do not hold your breath regarding UNC. They have not put a decent defense, a top QB, and a top RB on the field at the same time in 10 decades. In fact they rarely have a QB to match RB or Defensive talent for whatever reason that quirk. If we live long enough we might live to see such a day. But for some reason is just doesn't happen. In my opinion, UNC was closer to having all the needed elements under Bill Dooley than they were with Mack Brown, Dick Crum, or with the Hat.

They've got the right coaching staff, and they've got some success under their belt now....I definitely think they're here to stay. The problem is Miami is going to get better too...and then you have Georgia Tech and Duke that can be nasty. In fact, is there really a bad team in the Coastal?

The ACC is getting better

Evil, I have been watching UNC football for nearly 45 years and was afforded the opportunity to learn about UNC athletics from one of their former AD's whose father was and AD at MD. I'm telling you, don't hold your breath. The legitimate academic side at UNC is tougher than it's given credit for due to the AFAM and fake class scam. There are too many football players to hide in fake curriculums going forward and smart three and four star kids that would have entertained going to UNC are now going to go to Duke since Duke has finally recommitted to playing football at the P-5 level.

Here's another way to look at it. In UNC immediate recruiting footprint (NC and surrounding states) you have Duke, WF, NC State, Clemson, SC, Tennessee, GA, GT, Va, and VT at the P-5 level. Then you have one of the best G-5 in the country with ECU and App State and ODU as up and coming programs.

Duke, UVa, and GT offer a superior academic degree. Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina offer SEC competition. Clemson offers the best current program in the four state region. Football is first at SC, Clemson, GT, Georgia, Tennessee and VT. While UNC's situation in the pecking order is better than NC State's, their place is not that great as there is direct competition from schools at a higher level of play, schools with much larger stadiums and traditions, and schools with a better degree than UNC, in close proximity to UNC.

The State of NC can produce and sustain only one top 20 football program at a time. History bears this out.

1936 - Duke 11
1937 UNC 19, Duke 20
1938 Duke 3
1939 Duke 8
1940 Duke 18
1941 Duke 2
1943 Duke 7
1944 Duke 11
1945 Duke 13, WF 19
1946 UNC 9, NC State 18
1947 UNC 9, NCSU 17, Duke 19
1948 UNC 3, WF 20
1949 UNC 16
1950 None
1951 None
1952 Duke 16
1953 Duke 18
1954 Duke 14
1956 None
1957 NC State 15, Duke 18
1958 None
1959 None
1960 Duke 10
1961 Duke 20
1962 None
1963 UNC 19 (800 SAT Rule Goes Into Effect - Football DeEmphasized)
1964 None
1965 None
1966 None
1967 NC State 17
1968 None
1969 None
1970 None
1971 None
1972 UNC 12
1973 NC State 16
1974 NC State 11
1975 None
1976 None
1977 UNC 17
1978 NC State 18
1979 UNC 15
1980 UNC 10
1981 UNC 9
1982 UNC 18
1983 ECU 20
1984-1990 None
1991 ECU 9, NC State 24
1992 NCSU 17, UNC 19, WF 25
1993 UNC 19
1994 NCSU 17
1995 None
1996 UNC 10
1997 UNC 6
1998-2001 None
2002 NCSU 12
2003-2005 None
2006 WF 18
2007-2009 None
2010 NCSU 25
2011 None
2012 None
2013 Duke 23
2014 None
2015 UNC 15

A school from NC has been ranked in the final top 20/25 poll 52 times in 80 years. Only twice, once in 1947 and once in 1992 have there been three teams in the final poll.

Duke has 17 rankings, UNC has 16, NC State has 11, WF has 3, ECU has two (and maybe three as I might be missing one)

Of note, it was 50 years after demphasis that Duke finally returned to the top 25. Theirs was the undisputed program in the league from 1933 to 1963. NC State has only three appearances in the two decades since sports were drastically curtailed in 1991. Wake breaks through about once every generation. UNC has had four spates of success and all are tied to a person, first Choo Choo Justice, then Bill Dooley, then Dick Crum, then Mack Brown.