Good read on climate change. Long article, but lots of discussion and facts. I wouldn't call him a climate change skeptic-he's not, but he is a climate change "realist."

http://www.the-american-interest.com/201...-movement/

So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

(04-05-2016 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

I dont recall you asking for qualifications of the so-called 97% of scientists who supported the notion of man-made global warming.

(04-05-2016 09:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

I dont recall you asking for qualifications of the so-called 97% of scientists who supported the notion of man-made global warming.

I don't know who the 97% are. If they are climate scientists, they have pretty good qualifications.

Every time a Climate Change thread comes along, it make me miss Dr. Torch.

(04-05-2016 10:07 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

I dont recall you asking for qualifications of the so-called 97% of scientists who supported the notion of man-made global warming.

I don't know who the 97% are. If they are climate scientists, they have pretty good qualifications.

I'm surprised that anyone still refers to that 97% since it has been discredited.

(04-05-2016 10:07 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

I dont recall you asking for qualifications of the so-called 97% of scientists who supported the notion of man-made global warming.

I don't know who the 97% are. If they are climate scientists, they have pretty good qualifications.

(04-05-2016 10:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 10:07 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

I dont recall you asking for qualifications of the so-called 97% of scientists who supported the notion of man-made global warming.

I don't know who the 97% are. If they are climate scientists, they have pretty good qualifications.

I'm surprised that anyone still refers to that 97% since it has been discredited.

I didn't bring it up.

(04-05-2016 10:21 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 10:07 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

I dont recall you asking for qualifications of the so-called 97% of scientists who supported the notion of man-made global warming.

I don't know who the 97% are. If they are climate scientists, they have pretty good qualifications.

There have often been cases of people saying that "scientists" believe "X" when the scientists are in a completely different field than what they're being asked about. That's different than asking them about their own field of research.

(04-05-2016 10:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 10:07 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 09:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  So what are his qualifications to tell us what the facts are?

I dont recall you asking for qualifications of the so-called 97% of scientists who supported the notion of man-made global warming.

I don't know who the 97% are. If they are climate scientists, they have pretty good qualifications.

I'm surprised that anyone still refers to that 97% since it has been discredited.

As it is again in this article. And the author buys that man contributes to global warming. Its the extremes claimed by the political correct crowd he challenges.

Well We had a climate change here Yesterday Afternoon 73, then after midnight 33. A 40 degree temperature drop over several hours. Brrrrrrrrr !

If man made global warming via carbon emissions was true then why did they change it to "Climate Change"? Climate changes are
naturally occurring cycles. I swear we could a giant asteroid heading out way and people when blame it climate change.

(04-05-2016 10:47 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If man made global warming via carbon emissions was true then why did they change it to "Climate Change"? Climate changes are
naturally occurring cycles. I swear we could a giant asteroid heading out way and people when blame it climate change.

Well all that carbon is holding in matter from flying into space, increasing gravity and drawing in giant asteroids!

Climate scientists allowed their field to become politicized. When people at the top became political animals, the rank and file put their heads down and just went along with the program. I have zero trust in the field until their is a rebellion and a house-cleaning.

Scientists from other fields also joined on the political bandwagon. Just because a linguist or a botanist signs a newspaper ad in outrage doesn't mean he/she actually understands climate modeling any better than I do.

That said, we should be doing whatever we can to make common sense efforts to limit our environmental impacts. Even if climate change is completely false...its a good idea.

Science has become a religion to some.

(04-05-2016 11:16 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Science has become a religion to some.

But the door swings both ways. Many liberals hate Monsanto and their GMO seeds. Some liberals still wrap their cold fingers around the myth of the vaccination/autism link. From the "some memes die slow" department, the City of Portland (OR) has defeated fluoridation proposals for decades.

(04-05-2016 10:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 10:47 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If man made global warming via carbon emissions was true then why did they change it to "Climate Change"? Climate changes are
naturally occurring cycles. I swear we could a giant asteroid heading out way and people when blame it climate change.

Well all that carbon is holding in matter from flying into space, increasing gravity and drawing in giant asteroids!

(04-05-2016 11:16 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Science has become a religion to some.

So is religion a bad thing, or not?

Michael Crichton on global warming