(04-04-2016 02:06 AM)CatMom Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 08:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I thought the entire thing was ridiculous. It appears to me to be some dystopian fantasy written by one of the CUSA teams fans. Basically the gratuitous hatred of the Sun Belt combined with some fantasy where CUSA teams get promoted straight away to the SEC is telling. And an analysis seems to continue to push the risible argument that 'marketz, marketz, marketz' is the way to go. The article hit every CUSA talking point. And yet, how is that new TV deal coming along over in CUSA land?

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There will be changes as a result of TV in the future. But I argue that the overall pool of money will be falling as a result of cord cutting. The biggest losers will be the 'big markets, few fans' programs and the conferences that are overweighted by them. It won't happen overnight, but over the next decade or so.

In 10 years, you'll be paying for content that you use (at most). Or a negligible amount for programming. I won't be paying for Rockets basketball (I am now, because its the only way to get cable). 90% of NYC residents won't be paying for Rutgers sports either. NHL? My God, that's going to be a bloodbath for that league. Right now, you pay a couple hundred bucks a year through 'must carry' cable providers in order to get any non-sports programming. Right now, you can't get any cable programming without pay huge amounts for your local pro teams and college teams. This is unsustainable and will fail in the future.

A basic cable package in Houston is basically 1200 bucks a year. Eventually, the difference between the internet content providers and the cable providers is getting much less. And will become even less in the future. And non-cable internet providers are expanding too. Cord cutting will continue to increase.

And here's a news flash. Many cable consumers would not choose to pay what they are paying for sports if they can get non-sports content without doing so.

We're already seeing it in action. All the G5 are getting a haircut in the new TV deals. Except us..we never had much money to begin with from TV.

Sports programming is going to be like porn in a decade. It will be everywhere and most of it will be free (and I mean really free). It will be interesting to see how the programs that have expanded expenditures radically in the last 10 years as TV money has rolled in based upon 'must carry' deals will deal with lower revenues.

I'm in Corpus Christi, not a bastion of college fans and far from being a marketz. My cable bill went up $45, incrementally, in just 2 months. Total bill became $214. We are now going SlingTV. Changing our phone service over and getting the channels we actually watch while adding the sports package, and one other, will be $30/month; plus $10 for our landline. Having (and paying for) over 400 channels when we watch 30 tops, became untenable.
This is how/why cable and satellite services will start losing monies. We're on a fixed income but I'd bet money many people are going to tire of paying for stuff they don't need. ESPN, and others, are going to start feeling the pinch.

LOL. I'm not on a fixed income and I'm thinking about cutting the cord. And I watch sports. Absolutely ridiculous pricing.

I end up watching about 20 channels. The most watched channels in my home are free to air channels. I never watch the Astros on television. I never have watched the Houston Texans on television in my home. I watch one conferences games and 1 SEC teams games in football. My college basketball team is either not on my already expensive cable package or provides content for a low per view fee. And yet, I'm paying for Root sports (Astros), massive payments to the NFL, massive payments to the NBA, and tons of content I could give two sh*ts about.

Next summer I'm planning on cutting the cord on a trial basis and seeing how that works.

(04-03-2016 12:30 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  Two months later, and nothing has happened.

And no, the real playoff and national championship doesn't compare to any bowl. Two of the most decorated I-AA/FCS programs in its history can attest to that.

Whut?

The best time I ever had as a GSU fan was national title wins. The playoffs rocked.

The bowl was cool, the victory over Florida was great in the swamp -- but nothing compares to winning a national title at the level you're in. Especially after going through a playoff to get there.

I'll never disparage our NC's, but if winning those is the only thing driving your athletic program you should probably drop to DII. It's highly unlikely the Eagles will win a NC in any other sport at the DI level, so why remain in DI at all. FCS is like Jr High. Too big for elementary school, not quite up to high school. It was exciting and a lot of fun, but give me the bowl experience anyday. I probably have a little different perspective from a lot of the 1A folks since I was at App before 1-AA.

I think the point is that the/a playoff is very exciting for everybody. It's more fun when you have a chance to win a national title, but we want that shot at they highest level. Combine the two (FBS Bowls and playoffs) and you have a must watch for all fans and popularity will increase. That should translate into higher ratings, more revenue via advertising.

I'll second this. The 1-AA playoffs were an absolute barrel of monkeys! The atmosphere was electric, you get to see teams that you otherwise would never play, and it provided extra exposure and as much, if not more practice time as 1-A bowl teams... It was incredible.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the bowls... And prefer them, but the playoff days were awesome.

(04-04-2016 11:50 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 12:30 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  Two months later, and nothing has happened.

And no, the real playoff and national championship doesn't compare to any bowl. Two of the most decorated I-AA/FCS programs in its history can attest to that.

Whut?

The best time I ever had as a GSU fan was national title wins. The playoffs rocked.

The bowl was cool, the victory over Florida was great in the swamp -- but nothing compares to winning a national title at the level you're in. Especially after going through a playoff to get there.

I thought he meant that the playoffs were better. Nobody wants to go back to 1AA, BUT it's hard to beat a playoff atmosphere. Mobile was fun, but didn't carry the same vibe. The fact that it was our first Bowl was a big part of its excitement, but i think that the fifth such bowl if we made one every year would not nearly carry the excitement of a national title chase.

To clarify, I do like bowls better.

No use going through all the trouble we've gone through to willingly go back to the old way of doing things.

Once upon a time the playoffs were great, but it's gotten to be so watered down. NDSU would not win 5 in a row in the 00s or the 90s.

(04-05-2016 07:30 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Once upon a time the playoffs were great, but it's gotten to be so watered down. NDSU would not win 5 in a row in the 00s or the 90s.

The teams in the mid-atlantic and south just aren't very good any longer. I believe it is due to the large number of new FBS programs in those areas. Congrats to NDSU they are a solid program, but I agree that some of their success is due to more FBS programs in an area that historically has produced quality FCS teams.

He was wrong on one point for sure in that MONEY doesn't drive College Football but PASSION does.The P5 are smart enough to not teter with it's present base of passion in that wins and campus visits by alumni and fans fuel this passion.Notre Dame/BYU have a religious base to muster passion but most other schools need the campus connection.

If it's only about money the exit door will not stop at some arbitrary 64 but more like 32 teams or is it 16??

Not one word regarding Anti Trust either.Somebody wrote something is about all I can say.

(04-05-2016 08:38 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  He was wrong on one point for sure in that MONEY doesn't drive College Football but PASSION does.The P5 are smart enough to not teter with it's present base of passion in that wins and campus visits by alumni and fans fuel this passion.Notre Dame/BYU have a religious base to muster passion but most other schools need the campus connection.

If it's only about money the exit door will not stop at some arbitrary 64 but more like 32 teams or is it 16??

Not one word regarding Anti Trust either.Somebody wrote something is about all I can say.

What about Liberty's passion?

I do think you are onto something with the campus connection. Part of why I hate only three Saturdays in Paulson for the second time in 3 years. Lost opportunity to build that Alumni passion and loyalty. I understand why we are doing it, but we must watch out for not enough weekends to keep our alumni passionate. Something about actually being there at they ole campus and seeing old friends that is easy to get hooked on.

(04-05-2016 07:30 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Once upon a time the playoffs were great, but it's gotten to be so watered down. NDSU would not win 5 in a row in the 00s or the 90s.

They did let to many teams in, but that has nothing to do with NDSU'S run.
Actually fighting through more teams would make it harder, as you'd have to stay healthy through more games.

Remember that they have also cut through many FBS teams, including the defending BIG12 champions, as well as having beat us several times. They are the real deal.

As someone else pointed out, what has become watered down is the talent level in the FCS. With so many programs, and teams in the FBS(each giving out 22 more scholarships) that used to be 1aa.

But I also think that the football talent pool is bigger and better than it used to be in the 80s and 90s. So, that is SOMEWHAT off set or at least must be considered.

NDSU would do fine in any G5 conference imop.

Call me crazy but not putting to much stock into a blog written by Cpt Chaos.

The separation already happened it's called the G5 and P5. We got a smaller piece of the pie and smaller voting power and the FCS was stripped of any relevance it had. With being able to have a CCG with only 10 teams it pretty much has ended conference jumping as conferences don't have to worry about having 12 teams anymore. I doubt anyone will voluntarily give up hundreds of thousands much less millions in payout money by going above the min of 10. Every conference that might lose a team or two are well above ten and probably wish they were not with the lower payout. The only major thing I see possibly happening is conferences, mainly G5, giving to boot to non performing programs to get down to 10. We already saw how marketz played no role in helping CUSA with the TV contract so that model is dead as a doornail as well. When the Big12 did had no interest in even stealing other P5 schools or really good G5s conference alignment was pretty much over.

(04-05-2016 07:30 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Once upon a time the playoffs were great, but it's gotten to be so watered down. NDSU would not win 5 in a row in the 00s or the 90s.

This, if all the good FCS teams that jumped up were still in the FCS then no way anyone has five in a row. NDSU is really good but think about Marshall, UCF, USF, App, GS, MTSU, Boise, etc etc still being in the FCS needless say a slightly harder path to win a championship much less make it out of the first round.

For example 7 of the teams in the 1990 playoff are now in the FBS.

The FCS has overall not replaced the teams that left with similar programs from DIV II. More often the case was a MTSU type leaving and gaining a Campbell Camels type team from DIV II.

The NCAA blew it when they put 1-AA together and drove the final nail in the coffin with the Dayton Rule. Although labeled as cost containment football not establishing minimum requirements, for attendance and scholarships was a huge mistake. The scholarship difference should have only been 10-12, not 20.

USA never did the FCS thing. But for me, the problem is relevance. NDSU doesn't get press because they win the FCS playoffs; they get press because they beat P5 teams.

My other alma mater, George Washington, just completed a NIT title run. It was fun. Actually a LOT of fun. More fun than losing to Memphis in the first round of the NCAA's two years ago. I'm sure the FCS playoffs are fun too. I don't doubt that.

But there's a reality here. About 800k watched the NIT final between GW and Valpo. 12 million watched GW's last Sweet 16 game. Basically, the NIT and FCS both have little more exposure than a bikini contest in Saudi Arabia.

The Sun Belt will be here through at least 2026 - there's just too much money in the CFP contract. The worst that could happen is that the Sun Belt has to add several teams not in the current footprint, but I just don't see the incentive for the P5 to expand aside from the Big 12 - and they could even go to 16 before someone has to move up from FCS.


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(04-05-2016 07:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Sun Belt will be here through at least 2026 - there's just too much money in the CFP contract. The worst that could happen is that the Sun Belt has to add several teams not in the current footprint, but I just don't see the incentive for the P5 to expand aside from the Big 12 - and they could even go to 16 before someone has to move up from FCS.


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I might be wrong but I see something new for the next 10 years for the Sun Belt....stability.

(04-05-2016 09:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-05-2016 07:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Sun Belt will be here through at least 2026 - there's just too much money in the CFP contract. The worst that could happen is that the Sun Belt has to add several teams not in the current footprint, but I just don't see the incentive for the P5 to expand aside from the Big 12 - and they could even go to 16 before someone has to move up from FCS.


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I might be wrong but I see something new for the next 10 years for the Sun Belt....stability.

That would be nice. If so, the Sun Belt won't be thought of as the fifth G5 by then. Not the fourth or possibly the third, either.

Rubbish !

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