Lol...yes, it so very offensive to the ULM folks that we ONLY HEAR FROM YOU on the subject.

And you know what's against the rules? To come on a thread and derail it by posting your normal, hateful and untrue lies and BS. And from a school not in our conference, no less. You need serious help.

This thread is a perfect example of that: it was about non-conference rivals.......and yet you bring up your obsession about our name.

You are a punk, a coward and a liar. That's not personal, its just the truth. And if you don't want to hear it said then stay the heck off this board.

And perhaps if you sent less time fretting about something that is not wrong and will not change, you could dedicate that time trying to help that 'school' you are so fond of get out of the academic decline and financial mess it currently finds itself in.

You folks derailed the thread by improperly calling yourselves Louisiana. I made a post correcting you using not my words, but the words of the man who authored the legislation USL requested.

Tech is not in academic or financial decline other than the obvious challenges Louisiana is currently facing due to poor management of taxpayer money.

Why don't you folks @ Lafayette take the high road by properly and legally earning the name you covet? That would be the logical thing to pursue. I'm not obsessed with your name. I know what your name is - UL@L. It is you folks that are obsessed and confused about it.

The useage of 'Louisiana' as a stand alone reference is perfectly legal and ethical. Even the former ULS president stated in a letter sent to one of your fellow mutts....who in turn posted it on the @ruston site. It is only silly hillbilly idiots like you that can't except it, and have to force your opnions on everyone else by derailing countless threads with the same old hateful rhetoric ...... year after year.

And in all that time not one bloody step has been taken legally to stop ths HUGE TRAVESTY OF INJUSTICE. lol.

So go back home, take double your normal midol dosage and then you:

1. Yes, ltu-r's academics just took a huge step BACKWARDS by going from Carneigie classification of R2 to R3 ..... while ULM took a huge step FORWARD to that same classification......and they used far less money of the money of the tax payers of this state. And your T1 status will be lost in September, as no public schools in this nation are at R3 and T1.

2. And ltur-R3's credit rating was just lowered to one level below ULM, and two below UL. And the school itself, not the state, is under further scrutiny to assess if further lowering is necessary (and no, UL is not subject to the same review:)

"Each university’s ability to adjust to the budget cuts and potential enrollment volatility will be evaluated as the creditor decides whether campuses’ financial expectations should be lowered. Reliance on state funding, expense flexibility, pricing power, strength of cash flow, and liquidity will factor into our assessment of ratings and outlooks for each university."

http://theadvocate.com/news/14966384-123...downgrades


3. No doubt that all ths scrutiny will further bring to light all the cheating and mishandling of precious tax dollar money that ltur-R3 has been doing with its horrendous book-keeping high jinks of the past:

"Some schools charge athletic salaries to other departments, non-athletic departments. This year (ltur-R3) budgeted $727,151 in athletic salaries to non-athletic departments. If the state didn't allow that, (ltur-R3) would be over the maximum allowed to supplement athletics."

http://www.fox8live.com/story/31259464/z...s-spending

Just because you hide your head in the sand and try to deny things cannot change the FACTS.

It's thread hijacks like this that make me call them Louisiana.

LCF,

You don't know what you are talking about and you don't understand the facts. You don't know what the numbers mean. All of that was explained to you in another thread. You choose to ignore it, so don't spread misinformation because you don't understand.

Stoodgedog: facts are facts. Just because you make personal attacks about me won't change the fact that ltur--R3's academics are failing and its financial status is on the rocks.

Stoodge: I have another one for you; somethings that's been bothering me for a while, but was rekindled on this thread. First, I have a few questions about your background:

1. You claim to be a ULM 'alumnus.' What exactly does this mean? Did you get a degree from there? If not, approx how many credits did you earn there? Were they ever transferd to another school?

2. You also claim to have 'close family ties' to UL. So I guess you a feel a certain amount of loyalty to us as well?

3. Of course, you are also an avid ltur-R3 fan. Did you get another degree from there?

But I guess my biggest question is, how does this divided loyalty work for you? I mean, give us a breakdown of your loyalty among all 3 schools (or if there are more.) For example: are you a 55% ltur fan, 25% ULM and 15% to UL? This is just a guess....please let us know what the actual spread is. This would also include the difference conference of the schools.... cusa and the SBC.

Oh, btw: although I have a lot of family ties to lsu and Tulane, a great deal of my family have degrees from UL....as do I. All that said, my loyalties are 1000% with the UL Ragun Cajuns. I also only support the SBC.

So again, whatever else you might want to respond with, don't forget to give us the % numbers of where your loyalties lie.....with both the individuals schools you support and their conferences.

I have never claimed divided loyalties. That is something else you have erroneously claimed. That doesn't make sense. A person can be interested in something without being loyal to it. You should know that. It seems that it completely befuddles you if people have different opinions and though processes than you do. You obviously can't understand how others can think differently than you. So, since you can't understand it, you condemn it. That is strange.

(04-17-2016 04:50 AM)stodgdog Wrote:  I have never claimed divided loyalties. That is something else you have erroneously claimed. That doesn't make sense. A person can be interested in something without being loyal to it. You should know that. It seems that it completely befuddles you if people have different opinions and though processes than you do. You obviously can't understand how others can think differently than you. So, since you can't understand it, you condemn it. That is strange.

Based on that convoluted response, it would seem that you are loyal to only ltu-R, and cusa. Is that correct? (And again, that is a simple, yes or no question.)

If so, then why did on post #40 did on you first state: "As an alumnus of ULM?" Because that specifically states/implies that you have some stake.....aka loyalty......to ULM. Which in turn implies loyalties to the SBC and this board. As you know, words have meaning, so clarity is needed.

So please tell us what qualifies you to be an alumnus of ULM.....do you have a degree from there? A lot of folks (some on this very board) think that being an alumnus means you graduated from that school, when it actually means you could have only had just one course there.

I am not condemning anything, as you did not just post 'opinions.' You also posted a few facts to support your position, and I am now just trying get you to clarify these positions; the contradictions within them are strangely befuddling. I don't know why this threatens you to such a degree that you then feel the compulsion to make personal attacks against me.

Your questions have been answered. Again, I have never said I have divided loyalty. I don't. I don't know why you said I do. I have said nothing contradictory.

Your attempted claim of UL and/or Louisiana is what is contradictory. The laws and policies are quite clear. ULM is equal to ULL in the U of L System, so ULM has equal claim to UL and/or Louisiana.

(04-17-2016 11:48 AM)stodgdog Wrote:  Your questions have been answered. Again, I have never said I have divided loyalty. I don't. I don't know why you said I do. I have said nothing contradictory.

Your attempted claim of UL and/or Louisiana is what is contradictory. The laws and policies are quite clear. ULM is equal to ULL in the U of L System, so ULM has equal claim to UL and/or Louisiana.

Lol.

Why is it you can NEVER answer a simple question.

Watch how easy it is: I have a BA in History from UL. That is the only university that I am an alumni of. I am a 100% fan of UL and the SBC.

Now your turn.

(04-17-2016 11:48 AM)stodgdog Wrote:  Your questions have been answered.

No, they most certainly have not. What is your affiliation with ULM?

Again, I have never said I have divided loyalty. I don't. I don't know why you said I do. I have said nothing contradictory.

Yes, you have. You claim to be an 'alumni' of ULM. You also claim to have 'close family ties' to UL. And of course, you are a HUGE FAN of ltur and cusa. This all means that you have vested interests.....aka loyalties....to the three schools. Explain to us how that works for you, please.

Your attempted claim of UL and/or Louisiana is what is contradictory. The laws and policies are quite clear. ULM is equal to ULL in the U of L System, so ULM has equal claim to UL and/or Louisiana.

No. ULM is not equal to UL. They are a 'regional' institution and we are 'statewide' ...... per the BOR. Among other things this means that we have a higher mission and set of admission standards, etc,p. Do you really deny that this is not the case?

ETA: here is the BOR document that spells out the missions of the various ULS schools:

http://www.regents.la.gov/assets/docs/20...un2015.pdf

Your questions have been answered and WERE ANSWERED before you even asked them.

You are equal to ULM in the U of L System. Your attempt to usurp the name UL and/or Louisiana is a thinly guised attempt to portray the false impression that @ Lafayette is above other schools in the U of L System hierarchy, notably ULM. I never brought the BOR, Carnegie, or anything else into it. You made those inaccurate and irrelevant statements. @ Lafayette is attempting to create a false perception.

(04-17-2016 02:39 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  Your questions have been answered and WERE ANSWERED before you even asked them.

You are equal to ULM in the U of L System.

No, we are definetly not: per the BOR, we are a 'statewide' school, and ULM is 'regional.' So if anyone has the 'perception' that we are at higher level than ULM, they would correct in that assumption.

Your attempt to usurp the name UL and/or Louisiana is a thinly guised attempt to portray the false impression that @ Lafayette is above other schools in the U of L System hierarchy, notably ULM. I never brought the BOR, Carnegie, or anything else into it. You made those inaccurate and irrelevant statements. @ Lafayette is attempting to create a false perception.

Nope.

Let it be noted for all to see that you have not answered, and refuse to answer, the following questions:

1. What qualifies you as an ULM 'alumni?' Do you have a degree from there?


2. How does your divided loyalty work, between your stated interests in ULM, UL and ltu-R? And cusa -vs- SBC?


3. Incredibly, you flat-out refuse to acknowledge that UL is indeed higher up in the ULS hierarchy. Even though it is clearly and unquestionably stated as such in the BOR document....that I am posting a link to yet again, lol:

http://www.regents.la.gov/assets/docs/20...un2015.pdf

(04-17-2016 03:37 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 02:39 PM)stodgdog Wrote:  Your questions have been answered and WERE ANSWERED before you even asked them.

You are equal to ULM in the U of L System.

No, we are definetly not: per the BOR, we are a 'statewide' school, and ULM is 'regional.' So if anyone has the 'perception' that we are at higher level than ULM, they would correct in that assumption.

Your attempt to usurp the name UL and/or Louisiana is a thinly guised attempt to portray the false impression that @ Lafayette is above other schools in the U of L System hierarchy, notably ULM. I never brought the BOR, Carnegie, or anything else into it. You made those inaccurate and irrelevant statements. @ Lafayette is attempting to create a false perception.

Nope.

Let it be noted for all to see that you have not answered, and refuse to answer, the following questions:

1. What qualifies you as an ULM 'alumni?' Do you have a degree from there?

Alumni refers to a group. Alumnus refers to an individual.

That is a stupid question and I don't even know why you ask it. If you want to be answered again, YOU answer these questions three: Why do you think it is any of your business whether or not I am an alumnus of ULM? Why did you call my mother and my wife sluts? Do you think it is appropriate behavior on YOUR part to write that?

2. How does your divided loyalty work, between your stated interests in ULM, UL and ltu-R? And cusa -vs- SBC?

I never wrote, nor even imply, that I have divided loyalty. That is something else you made up and continue to harp on. It doesn't make sense for you to do so.

3. Incredibly, you flat-out refuse to acknowledge that UL is indeed higher up in the ULS hierarchy. Even though it is clearly and unquestionably stated as such in the BOR document....that I am posting a link to yet again, lol:

I said almost 2 years ago that @ Lafayette was attempting to create the FALSE IMPRESSION that they were above other schools in the ULS hierarchy by attempting to usurp the UL and/or Louisiana name, even though such a claim is illegal and unethical, which it is. I never said anything about the BOR. Again, saying that I did is something else you invented. That doesn't make sense either.

Besides, your claim is false and counter to the law and policy. Of course, it is not surprising that @ Lafayette ignores rules (see NCAA violations regarding academic fraud).

Act 45 (Appendix A) of the 1995 Regular Session of the Louisiana Legislature (Senate Bill 843 by Picard and Brinkhaus, and Representatives McDonald, McFerren, Montgomery and Thompson) officially named the system of institutions under the supervision and management of the Board of Trustees for State Colleges and Universities the “University of Louisiana System.” The Act also authorized the Board of Trustees and Board of Regents to approve the change of name of any university within the System to the “University of Louisiana at (its geographic location)” provided no less than two institutions make a request for and are approved to change the institutional names.

I. Institutional Status
Each institution within the University of Louisiana System has a distinct character based upon its role, scope, mission and the educational needs of the population it serves. The Southern Regional Education Board (SREB) and Carnegie classification systems shall be used to illustrate distinctions and differentiations among member institutions and shall not be used to imply explicitly or implicitly a hierarchy of member institutional rankings.

1. Yes, I was incorrect in quoting you, as I thought you had used the wrong word in your first post. Here it is again:

"As an alumnus of ULM, it is deeply offensive that Cajun posters refer to their school as UL and/or Lafayette."


In other words, as a ltur/cusa fan, you came onto this board and derailed this thread because someone simply referred to us by our correct nickname of 'Louisiana.' But you also couched this by claiming to be 'an alumnus' of ULM. Again, most people (wrongly) assume that being an alumnus equals a degree....it does not.

So, yet AGAIN, please tell us what qualifies you to be a ULM alumnus? Why do you refuse to answer such a simple, basic question? [u]Just tell us if you have a degree from ULM, or not.

2. "I never wrote, nor even imply, that I have divided loyalty. That is something else you made up and continue to harp on. It doesn't make sense for you to do so."


Yes, you very definetly said and implied divided loyalties. I posted your direct quotes to support that claim, and all you do is insult me, rather answer the questions.

I'll try again. Here are direct quotes from you to support my claims, with links attached so that everyone can verify that you said them:

From the Ragin' Pagin site:
"I have always liked the Cajuns. I have old family ties to your school......"
http://www.raginpagin.com/louisiana/show...post719241

From the ltur site:
"I empathize. My great uncle and aunt were big supporters of USL...."
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showthrea...-win/page4

And just recently on this very thread:

"As an alumnus of ULM......"
http://csnbbs.com/thread-776407-page-4.html


So, yet again, now I have proved your divided loyalties, tell us how it works. And I'll make it super easy for you....all you have to do is add the correct %'s next to each of the school you have claimed loyalty to:

ULM:
UL:
Ltur:


3. I said almost 2 years ago that @ Lafayette was attempting to create the FALSE IMPRESSION that they were above other schools......

Again, it is not a FALSE IMPRESSION that we are at a higher level than most other ULS schools.....certainly ULM.

How can we be 'usurping' that which the BOR has already given us? But we do agree that you never said anything about the BOR....lol, that's the whole point: you refuse to acknowledge that the BOR has indeed proclaimed us to be at higher level than ULM, etc.

So everything else you posted about this....the leg stuff from 1994, etc., IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the discussion.

So, yet again, do you now accept that, per the BOR, we are indeed at higher level than ULM?

(04-17-2016 05:47 PM)LaCajunsFan Wrote:  1. Yes, I was incorrect in quoting you, as I thought you had used the wrong word in your first post. Here it is again:

"As an alumnus of ULM, it is deeply offensive that Cajun posters refer to their school as UL and/or Lafayette."


In other words, as a ltur/cusa fan, you came onto this board and derailed this thread because someone simply referred to us by our correct nickname of 'Louisiana.' But you also couched this by claiming to be 'an alumnus' of ULM. Again, most people (wrongly) assume that being an alumnus equals a degree....it does not.

So, you are going to argue with me about whether or not I am an alumnus. That's crazy. The question, as I said, is a stupid one. Besides, if you wanted a direct answer AGAIN, I stipulated the questions YOU had to answer. Why can't YOU answer a few simple questions?

So, yet AGAIN, please tell us what qualifies you to be a ULM alumnus? Why do you refuse to answer such a simple, basic question? [u]Just tell us if you have a degree from ULM, or not.

2. "I never wrote, nor even imply, that I have divided loyalty. That is something else you made up and continue to harp on. It doesn't make sense for you to do so."


Yes, you very definetly said and implied divided loyalties. I posted your direct quotes to support that claim, and all you do is insult me, rather answer the questions.

I'll try again. Here are direct quotes from you to support my claims, with links attached so that everyone can verify that you said them:

From the Ragin' Pagin site:
"I have always liked the Cajuns. I have old family ties to your school......"
http://www.raginpagin.com/louisiana/show...post719241

From the ltur site:
"I empathize. My great uncle and aunt were big supporters of USL...."
http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/showthrea...-win/page4

And just recently on this very thread:

"As an alumnus of ULM......"
http://csnbbs.com/thread-776407-page-4.html

So, again, YOU are going to question me regarding who I am loyal to. I TOLD you that I don't have divided loyalties. ME. Yet, you still want to argue. Geez, it is impossible to communicate.

So, yet again, now I have proved your divided loyalties, tell us how it works. And I'll make it super easy for you....all you have to do is add the correct %'s next to each of the school you have claimed loyalty to:

ULM:
UL:
Ltur:


3. I said almost 2 years ago that @ Lafayette was attempting to create the FALSE IMPRESSION that they were above other schools......

Again, it is not a FALSE IMPRESSION that we are at a higher level than most other ULS schools.....certainly ULM.

How can we be 'usurping' that which the BOR has already given us? But we do agree that you never said anything about the BOR....lol, that's the whole point: you refuse to acknowledge that the BOR has indeed proclaimed us to be at higher level than ULM, etc.

So everything else you posted about this....the leg stuff from 1994, etc., IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the discussion.

So, yet again, do you now accept that, per the BOR, we are indeed at higher level than ULM?

Didn't you read the part that BOR, SREB, Carnegie has NOTHING to do with ULS hierarchy. You're a nut.

Because you refuse to answer the questions, I am forced to summarize a few things for everyone:

1. You do not have a degree from ULM, and your direct connection to them is extremely minimal.
2. Just because some distant relatives of yours were very kind and supportive of UL, that has ZERO impact on your connection to UL.
3. You are a grad of ltu-r, and are a 100% fan of them, as well as cusa.

So, in regards to the various fan boards, you have ZERO connection to either UL, ULM or the SBC....and if you are posting here you are doing so as a ltur/cusa fan, and those posts need to be read in that context.

Your claim 'as an alumnus of ULM' was simply a purposeful, specious means to jump into and derail a thread by forcing everyone into the whole UL name issue YET AGAIN.

In conclusion, since this 'name issue' has you so extremely ruffled and vexed, here are your viable options (ranked from the most to worst desirable) in dealing with it:

1. Get psychiatric help.
2. Secure a legal measure to stop all the 'illegal' name-usage once and for all.
3. Keep it on the ltur board.
4. If the first three fail, at the very least you should just take a deep breath....... or two or three. Hug a cat. Smell some flowers.