Going by affiliation at the time and not current affiliation.


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so the quote of the night from Andy Katz:
So two of the last three years a team from the American and the Big East will play for the national title. We can stop now with the power five label in college basketball.

Why are we linking up with the nBE now? This league doesn't even have anywhere close to half the teams the old Big East had, counting Temple or not.

So we bash on the Big East when it's convenient but try to beat our chest with them when it's time to count our accomplishments?

(04-02-2016 10:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so the quote of the night from Andy Katz:
So two of the last three years a team from the American and the Big East will play for the national title. We can stop now with the power five label in college basketball.

But Andy would never say that to any of his ESPN Colleagues or his bosses because its ESPN generally that has the highest paying Conf TV Contracts with those P5 Conferences...so ESPN always tries to put their products "they own" in the best light...hence why ESPN promotes "P5" on a daily basis...fall, winter, spring, summer.

Andy's the one that mentions "P5" a lot when he is on air...and/or even in his own articles.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...poll-shows

Too bad he won't follow his own advice.

Andy just proved what happens 95% of the time on twitter: faux outrage...just to get clicks.

(04-03-2016 12:10 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why are we linking up with the nBE now? This league doesn't even have anywhere close to half the teams the old Big East had, counting Temple or not.

So we bash on the Big East when it's convenient but try to beat our chest with them when it's time to count our accomplishments?

To be fair only one (Nova) is nBE. Louisville and UConn (2x) were the other two.

(04-03-2016 12:10 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why are we linking up with the nBE now? This league doesn't even have anywhere close to half the teams the old Big East had, counting Temple or not.

So we bash on the Big East when it's convenient but try to beat our chest with them when it's time to count our accomplishments?

To be fair only one (Nova) is nBE. Louisville and UConn (2x) were the other two.

(04-03-2016 12:10 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why are we linking up with the nBE now? This league doesn't even have anywhere close to half the teams the old Big East had, counting Temple or not.

So we bash on the Big East when it's convenient but try to beat our chest with them when it's time to count our accomplishments?

No the point is that people who are (and have been) attempting to apply the power 5 label from football onto basketball are ridiculous because in recent history the majority of the NC games have featured a non P5 team.

Well in that case, in recent history Houston has dominated the AAC and been a top ten program. It's not as pronounced as in college football and non-major conference teams have a fighting, completely fair and even chance but the major conferences win basically every year. Except for Butler in 2010, when an outsider crashes the party it's been a major upset.

In Basketball it not so much P5 but Major/Mid Major...to me the Major Conferences are the ACC, Big XII, B1G, Pac 12, SEC, BIG EAST, American, MWC & A-10.

The American has UConn, Temple, Memphis and Cincinnati...nothing "Mid-Major" about those Basketball Programs...UConn is a Elite with Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky etc...etc.

(04-03-2016 11:11 AM)Maize Wrote:  In Basketball it not so much P5 but Major/Mid Major...to me the Major Conferences are the ACC, Big XII, B1G, Pac 12, SEC, BIG EAST, American, MWC & A-10.

The American has UConn, Temple, Memphis and Cincinnati...nothing "Mid-Major" about those Basketball Programs...UConn is a Elite with Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky etc...etc.

Agree, except that Mountain West seems to be sliding quickly in to the mid major level.

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(04-03-2016 11:49 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 11:11 AM)Maize Wrote:  In Basketball it not so much P5 but Major/Mid Major...to me the Major Conferences are the ACC, Big XII, B1G, Pac 12, SEC, BIG EAST, American, MWC & A-10.

The American has UConn, Temple, Memphis and Cincinnati...nothing "Mid-Major" about those Basketball Programs...UConn is a Elite with Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky etc...etc.

Agree, except that Mountain West seems to be sliding quickly in to the mid major level.
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UNLV needs to fix itself...that is their problem

yeah, the MWC has fallen considerably.

But even there, it's not like New Mexico, San Diego St, Nevada, Fresno St are exactly great names. Really when BYU and Utah left, the conference was able to maintain for a bit- but now nope.

Before the 2011-13 round of realignment, there was more of a gradient in basketball. You had
--the BCS conferences
--solid multibid leagues--A-10, MWC, MVC, sometimes WCC, CAA
--one bid leagues who maybe steal an at-large when their top team loses in the tournament.

That's only evaluating leagues, not programs. There were a sizable number of schools like Memphis, a major program in a one-bid league.

The 2011-13 realignment skimmed some strong programs out of the one bid leagues--Butler, Davidson, VCU, George Mason, MEmphis. Leagues below the A-10 level were knocked back by a lot, losing Butler, Davidson, VCU, George MAson, and the MWC losing Utah and BYU.

So instead of a smooth slope downward from Big East/ACC/Big Ten to PAC/MWC/SEC/A-10 to Horizon/Valley/WCC/CAA to the 14-seed leagues, you have a large gap between the A-10 (or AAC if you use the metrics Quo Vadis does) and whoever the #9 league is that year.

(04-02-2016 07:21 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Going by affiliation at the time and not current affiliation.

Not totally true. other than UConn the current AAC has done jack with out UConn, Syracuse and Louisville. Syracuse and Louisville are now both in the ACC. Right now the American is struggling to keep its nose above the water. Below are the final Four teams for the last seven years.


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Last 7 Final Fours:

2016
North Carolina ACC
Oklahoma Big 12
Syracuse ACC
Villanova Big East

2015
Duke ACC
Kentucky SEC
Michigan State Big 10
Wisconsin Big 10

2014
Connecticut AAC
Florida SEC
Kentucky SEC
Wisconsin Big 10

2013
Louisville Big East
Michigan Big 10
Syracuse Big East
Wichita State Missouri Valley

2012
Louisville Big East
Kansas Big 12
Kentucky SEC
Ohio State Big 10

2011

Connecticut Big East
Kentucky SEC
VCU Colonial

2010
Butler Horizon
Duke ACC
Michigan State Big 10
West Virginia Big East

so even by current conference- you have Butler 2x, UConn 2x, VCU, Wichita, and Nova in the last 7 final 4's- so 7 teams- and in the title games you have Butler 2x, UConn 2x, and Nova- or 5 teams in 7 years.

The "power" conferences are different for football and basketball.

I agree the board is fairer in all-NCAA sports than it is football.