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I have a post up at the end of B4L's thread that went to the smack board. I pretty much stuck a wooden stake through the heart of speaking vaguely about Ingram and the hire. If you've been curious about some of what has been talked around you might want to take a look. Thread needed to get off the front page, but its still there.

Your mileage may vary.

I don't ever go to the smack board.
I did go over there expecting a great revelation or some insight.
I'm back

(04-01-2016 11:49 AM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  I have a post up at the end of B4L's thread that went to the smack board. I pretty much stuck a wooden stake through the heart of speaking vaguely about Ingram and the hire. If you've been curious about some of what has been talked around you might want to take a look. Thread needed to get off the front page, but its still there.

Your mileage may vary.

Looked like more of the same. I guess the last part of your post was intended for peple like me though.

If you're expecting to have someone say who told them what, quoting the source and their words directly, you are doomed to disappointment.

I guess if someone is going to say that they put a stake through a conversation, I expect them to say something that I couldn't have said myself (having no inside knowledge here). That's all.
Not disappointed here...just probably not heading back to the smack board soon

My thoughts about speaking vaguely...

If its worth calling for someone to be fired over or our athletic department is in danger, its not the time to be vague.

Also if Ingram is such bad AD, why does Ehsan want the job?

(04-01-2016 12:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  My thoughts about speaking vaguely...

If its worth calling for someone to be fired over or our athletic department is in danger, its not the time to be vague.

Also if Ingram is such bad AD, why does Ehsan want the job?

That was one of my initial thoughts. Also if Ingram is so incompetent and doesn't care what anyone else thinks why would he even interview Ehsan and publicly state that he a strong candidate?

(04-01-2016 12:38 PM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  My thoughts about speaking vaguely...

If its worth calling for someone to be fired over or our athletic department is in danger, its not the time to be vague.

Also if Ingram is such bad AD, why does Ehsan want the job?

That was one of my initial thoughts. Also if Ingram is so incompetent and doesn't care what anyone else thinks why would he even interview Ehsan and publicly state that he a strong candidate?

The roster is stocked with talent the next two years that Eshan helped piece together. A huge basketball class in rising in 2017 that he has important relationships with. I believe Eshan wants the job in spite of Ingram.

(04-01-2016 12:38 PM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  My thoughts about speaking vaguely...

If its worth calling for someone to be fired over or our athletic department is in danger, its not the time to be vague.

Also if Ingram is such bad AD, why does Ehsan want the job?

That was one of my initial thoughts. Also if Ingram is so incompetent and doesn't care what anyone else thinks why would he even interview Ehsan and publicly state that he a strong candidate?

Nobody has called for Ingram to be fired.

All that was asked was that WE the fans, the majority, take to email, social media , any communication possible , to nudge Ingram in Ehsan's direction.

Now we are conspiracy theorist lying fear mongers that are personally killing UAB Athletics.

(04-01-2016 12:45 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:38 PM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  My thoughts about speaking vaguely...

If its worth calling for someone to be fired over or our athletic department is in danger, its not the time to be vague.

Also if Ingram is such bad AD, why does Ehsan want the job?

That was one of my initial thoughts. Also if Ingram is so incompetent and doesn't care what anyone else thinks why would he even interview Ehsan and publicly state that he a strong candidate?

Nobody has called for Ingram to be fired.

All that was asked was that WE the fans, the majority, take to email, social media , any communication possible , to nudge Ingram in Ehsan's direction.

Now we are conspiracy theorist lying fear mongers that are personally killing UAB Athletics.

Then what did #fireingram mean in the thread that got moved to the smack board.

What we have going on is some independent thinking instead of people blindly following what "insiders" say.

(04-01-2016 12:45 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:38 PM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  My thoughts about speaking vaguely...

If its worth calling for someone to be fired over or our athletic department is in danger, its not the time to be vague.

Also if Ingram is such bad AD, why does Ehsan want the job?

That was one of my initial thoughts. Also if Ingram is so incompetent and doesn't care what anyone else thinks why would he even interview Ehsan and publicly state that he a strong candidate?

Nobody has called for Ingram to be fired.

All that was asked was that WE the fans, the majority, take to email, social media , any communication possible , to nudge Ingram in Ehsan's direction.

Now we are conspiracy theorist lying fear mongers that are personally killing UAB Athletics.

Well, the thread title was changed, but IIRC, it did include #fireIngram

(04-01-2016 12:45 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:38 PM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:33 PM)ICB Wrote:  My thoughts about speaking vaguely...

If its worth calling for someone to be fired over or our athletic department is in danger, its not the time to be vague.

Also if Ingram is such bad AD, why does Ehsan want the job?

That was one of my initial thoughts. Also if Ingram is so incompetent and doesn't care what anyone else thinks why would he even interview Ehsan and publicly state that he a strong candidate?

Nobody has called for Ingram to be fired.

All that was asked was that WE the fans, the majority, take to email, social media , any communication possible , to nudge Ingram in Ehsan's direction.

Now we are conspiracy theorist lying fear mongers that are personally killing UAB Athletics.

No you are not conspiracy theorist lying fear mongers that are personally killing UAB Athletics. But some on this board have use conspiracies, lies and fear mongering to get people to put the pressure on Ingram to hire Ehsan.

You have not seen me call for him to be fired. In fact, I have said in so many words that it was premature to talk about that. Others have. It is enough to say that the scrutiny is ongoing.

Everyone has a right to their position and opinion. I'm in the same mode that I was during the fight to bring back football. I put out some of what is going on behind the scenes, but if the source involved is called on it he can honestly say "I don't know where that came from, I have not said a word to that guy, I don't even know who he is." The message still gets out.

Fans pressuring are putting Ingram in a tough spot.

Say Ehsan was his top candidate going into this search...which by all evidence it looks to be the case since he was the first person interviewed and the only person that Ingram has discussed publicly in any detail (and it was very positive discussion).

If he finds a candidate he thinks fits better or offers more than Ehsan, he's going to get raked over the coals before anybody even gives the new guy a chance...which also hurts the potential tenure of the next basketball coach right out of the gate.

If he does end up hiring Ehsan because he was his top candidate all along, the story from the fans will be..."We did it! We got Ehsan hired!"...thus making it appear as though he was pressured into doing it against his will...and setting the precedent that every decision by him moving forward should be met with the same scrutiny and response from rabid fans.

The more and more you put out things like #FireIngram or make threatening comments or publicly defame and chastise him, claiming he's ruining UAB Athletics will only push him further and further away from Ehsan, regardless if he was his own top candidate or not.

When Ingram and the rest of the AD candidates were being interviewed, fans were tweeting and commenting and screaming that only an idiot would take the job after the football mess and that literally nobody of any quality would take the job. They said candidates would only come here for an easy paycheck and they spit in the face of the entire process.

Add to that...after he interviewed three times and met with a bunch of groups on and off campus, he does finally get the job and everybody immediately says he was only hired to be Ray Watts' puppet...that he doesn't care about his own career. EVEN as some people still defended the previous AD that ACTUALLY ACTED AS RAY WATTS' PUPPET.

Geez, if I were him and I had read a lot of the crap going around...I might think I was the smartest guy in the room too.

If Ingram actually does hire Ehsan, I'll give him all the credit in the world because it meant he did so knowing that it would appear like he caved under pressure instead of making his own decisions as an Athletic Director. That would take some real strength given the situation he came in on.

(04-01-2016 01:22 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  You have not seen me call for him to be fired. In fact, I have said in so many words that it was premature to talk about that. Oyhers have. It is enough to say that the scrutiny is ongoing.

Everyone has a right to their position and opinion. I'm in the same mode that I was during the fight to bring back football. I put out some of what is going on behind the scenes, but if the source involved is called on it he can honestly say "I don't know where that came from, I have not said a word to that guy, I don't even know who he is." The message still gets out.

That's where my confusion lies, as one who responded to your/others call for arms previously, this time I am missing the message of what is being done wrong. I am not looking for specifics, but is he unnecessarily slicing budgets, is he failing to close the deal on potential donors? Refusing to accept donors money? Is he obstructing the process of bringing back football in 2017 or advancing basketball? Did he tell the AAC, we never want to hear from you ever?

The said part for me in this debate is that it makes it seem like I am a bigger Ingram fan than I truly am.

(04-01-2016 01:35 PM)ICB Wrote:  The sad part for me in this debate is that it makes it seem like I am a bigger Ingram fan than I truly am.

Agreed. Irrationality creates dividing lines where people aren't allow to be in the middle...they have to take definitive sides. It's a mirror image of the political landscape of our country right now.

It's unfortunate.

(04-01-2016 01:35 PM)ICB Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 01:22 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  You have not seen me call for him to be fired. In fact, I have said in so many words that it was premature to talk about that. Oyhers have. It is enough to say that the scrutiny is ongoing.

Everyone has a right to their position and opinion. I'm in the same mode that I was during the fight to bring back football. I put out some of what is going on behind the scenes, but if the source involved is called on it he can honestly say "I don't know where that came from, I have not said a word to that guy, I don't even know who he is." The message still gets out.

That's where my confusion lies, as one who responded to your/others call for arms previously, this time I am missing the message of what is being done wrong. I am not looking for specifics, but is he unnecessarily slicing budgets, is he failing to close the deal on potential donors? Refusing to accept donors money? Is he obstructing the process of bringing back football in 2017 or advancing basketball? Did he tell the AAC, we never want to hear from you ever?

The said part for me in this debate is that it makes it seem like I am a bigger Ingram fan than I truly am.

This is where I am at too. I don't know any details and don't care t have specifics. But when we are told to pressure our ad simply because somebody on this board said so, I can't/won't just blindly follow. This guy was thrown into the worst spot possible, and it really doesn't appear to me that he has done a ton wrong. our fan base has been hostile towards the man from day 1, I may not be the most enjoyable person in the world if I was greeted that way either.

Ingram must be so adamantly opposed to hiring Ehsan that he gave him the first interview and publicly praised him.

(04-01-2016 02:18 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote: