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RE: Louisville leads: top 25 most valuable college basketball programs
(04-03-2016 08:59 AM)Maize Wrote:  
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(04-03-2016 06:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  That YUM lease just keeps on giving and giving. 07-coffee3

From Kristi Dosh of The Business of College Sports:

"First, let me clarify that the men’s basketball team was the 21st most profitable program during the 2009-2010 season – before they played in a new arena."


http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/...nancially/

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The Yum just expanded our #1 in the nation revenue stream....the Louisville Athletic Program was 21st Overall in the nation before the Yum Opened due to Basketball....the Yum wasn't the cause of our #1 status...07-coffee3

Well, when you go from #21 to #1 because of something, it's pretty fair to say that something "caused" your #1 status, LOL. 07-coffee3

Not that there's anything wrong with #21. UofL obviously had a very profitable basketball program before YUM. It's just that the YUM lease vaulted you to the top.
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RE: Louisville leads: top 25 most valuable college basketball programs
(04-03-2016 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 08:59 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 06:57 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 06:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  That YUM lease just keeps on giving and giving. 07-coffee3

From Kristi Dosh of The Business of College Sports:

"First, let me clarify that the men’s basketball team was the 21st most profitable program during the 2009-2010 season – before they played in a new arena."


http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/...nancially/

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The Yum just expanded our #1 in the nation revenue stream....the Louisville Athletic Program was 21st Overall in the nation before the Yum Opened due to Basketball....the Yum wasn't the cause of our #1 status...07-coffee3

Well, when you go from #21 to #1 because of something, it's pretty fair to say that something "caused" your #1 status, LOL. 07-coffee3

Not that there's anything wrong with #21. UofL obviously had a very profitable basketball program before YUM. It's just that the YUM lease vaulted you to the top.

No....the #21 was when you compared it to the Football Programs...if Louisville Basketball Rankings was with the Football Programs during that time period it would have finished 21st...it was #1 in 2009 when only factoring Basketball...Basketball Revenue Louisville been #1 for almost a decade-(Freedom Hall made Louisville Rich)....Reading Comprehension quo....07-coffee3
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RE: Louisville leads: top 25 most valuable college basketball programs
To help Quo with his reading comprehension here is the article linked above:

A funny thing happened while I was researching SEC football profits a couple of weeks ago. I came across an article stating Louisville men’s basketball was the 21st most profitable sports program in the country. The first twenty were all college football programs, and Louisville had finished ahead of strong on-the-field programs like USC and Oregon.

I had no idea that researching the Louisville men’s basketball team would lead me to discover the hidden gem in college athletic departments, but that’s exactly what Louisville turned out to be.

First, let me clarify that the men’s basketball team was the 21st most profitable program during the 2009-2010 season – before they played in a new arena. I can tell you that so far this season, in the new arena, the men’s basketball team has already generated $2.6 million more than projected for the season. In fact, they had already reached their projected revenue before Big East play began.


http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/...nancially/

As you see it was talking about all sports....Football and Basketball...The Top 20 were all the Football Revenue...ie Texas Football, Notre Dame Football, Ohio State Football....Louisville Basketball in 2009 was the 1st Basketball program...ahead of Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana etc...etc...while we was still playing in Freedom Hall. The only thing the Yum lease did was expand the lead...Maybe Georgetown can get a better lease with the Verizon Center...05-stirthepot
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RE: Louisville leads: top 25 most valuable college basketball programs
Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.
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(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Memphis value has slipped under Pastner...
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(04-03-2016 11:16 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Memphis value has slipped under Pastner...

It hasn't slipped below TN, AL, or USF hahahhaha...
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The top of the list seems credible. It becomes more shaky after that. It seems silly that Northwestern, which ranks 72nd in reported attendance and has never played in the NCAA tournament, is in this guy's top 25, but three programs that average over 15,000 in attendance are not even in his top 50.
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(04-03-2016 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, when you go from #21 to #1 because of something, it's pretty fair to say that something "caused" your #1 status, LOL. 07-coffee3

Not that there's anything wrong with #21. UofL obviously had a very profitable basketball program before YUM. It's just that the YUM lease vaulted you to the top.

Louisville basketball was #21 among ALL sports programs before the Yum center opened. They didn't go from the #21 BASKETBALL team to #1 basketball team like you are asserting. 20 of those teams were FOOTBALL programs. It's safe to say the were the #1 BASKETBALL revenue team as well prior to the Yum Center opening

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Maybe he's just a master--[oh wait, is that word filtered?].
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RE: [merged] Wall Street Journal...College Basketball most valuable programs
(04-03-2016 11:40 AM)dopeordogfood Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, when you go from #21 to #1 because of something, it's pretty fair to say that something "caused" your #1 status, LOL. 07-coffee3

Not that there's anything wrong with #21. UofL obviously had a very profitable basketball program before YUM. It's just that the YUM lease vaulted you to the top.

Louisville basketball was #21 among ALL sports programs before the Yum center opened. They didn't go from the #21 BASKETBALL team to #1 basketball team like you are asserting. 20 of those teams were FOOTBALL programs. It's safe to say the were the #1 BASKETBALL revenue team as well prior to the Yum Center opening

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That is remarkable that in 2009 our Basketball Program was pulling in more revenue than Oregon/Southern Cal and many other Football programs in the Pac 12, B1G, ACC & Big XII. I Wonder how we compare to the Football programs with the Yum Center...
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(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Not to mention it has Notre Dame behind East Carolina.
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(04-04-2016 08:44 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Not to mention it has Notre Dame behind East Carolina.

1. I think that there's a high probability that the professor didn't bother normalize numbers - or at least he did a very poor job of it. That makes all the outputs more or less the product of a random number generator with a loose nexus to reality.

2. There are MASSIVE subjective components, and I think that the professor has a HUGE bias. He has 4 degrees from 2 different B1G schools and he works at a B1G school. I think that it's more than a coincidence that the B1G does suspiciously well in his valuations. Additionally, I think that it's more than a coincidence that a IU/Purdue grad/IU professor thinks that ND basketball is worthless.

Overall, IMHO this "work" is embarrassing. And, on a related note, I'm sure he got some kind of research funding from somewhere for this "work." Unless you think that these findings advance the educations of students at IU (other than providing a case study of what to not do), I argue that it's a shining example of how academics and research are two very, very different things.

As a last point, if your school didn't do well, take it with a grain of salt. These valuations aren't even remotely close to being valid. If your school did well, then celebrate and let the good times roll. If nothing else, you have someone who believe in you.
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Any valuation of a programs worth should always include UL,UK, UNC Kansas and Cuse in the top 6. These 4 teams have the largest attendance, the ten largest merchandise sales, top 10 largest national fanbases, and top 10 tv ratings. Duke should be in the top 10 as well. Don't know why Arizona, Wisconsin and OSU are in the top 10.
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(04-04-2016 01:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Any valuation of a programs worth should always include UL,UK, UNC Kansas and Cuse in the top 6. These 4 teams have the largest attendance, the ten largest merchandise sales, top 10 largest national fanbases, and top 10 tv ratings. Duke should be in the top 10 as well. Don't know why Arizona, Wisconsin and OSU are in the top 10.

The Top 4 should be on a consistent basis Louisville, Kentucky, North Carolina & Kansas. I completely understand Ohio State, National Brand and they play in a NBA Quality arena as well.
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(04-03-2016 10:14 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 09:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 08:59 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 06:57 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 06:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  That YUM lease just keeps on giving and giving. 07-coffee3

From Kristi Dosh of The Business of College Sports:

"First, let me clarify that the men’s basketball team was the 21st most profitable program during the 2009-2010 season – before they played in a new arena."


http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/...nancially/

I would recommend everyone follow this young lady on Twitter. She and her husband Chadd Scott offer some unique insights into college athletics, both on and off the field

The Yum just expanded our #1 in the nation revenue stream....the Louisville Athletic Program was 21st Overall in the nation before the Yum Opened due to Basketball....the Yum wasn't the cause of our #1 status...07-coffee3

Well, when you go from #21 to #1 because of something, it's pretty fair to say that something "caused" your #1 status, LOL. 07-coffee3

Not that there's anything wrong with #21. UofL obviously had a very profitable basketball program before YUM. It's just that the YUM lease vaulted you to the top.

No....the #21 was when you compared it to the Football Programs...

OK, i stand corrected. 04-cheers
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(04-04-2016 08:44 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Not to mention it has Notre Dame behind East Carolina.

Wow ... that does make it unbelievable. 07-coffee3
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(04-05-2016 08:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-04-2016 08:44 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Not to mention it has Notre Dame behind East Carolina.

Wow ... that does make it unbelievable. 07-coffee3

Yeah....the methodology after the Top 20 is shaky...
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(04-05-2016 08:19 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-05-2016 08:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Not to mention it has Notre Dame behind East Carolina.

Wow ... that does make it unbelievable. 07-coffee3

Yeah....the methodology after the Top 20 is shaky...

Ah .. so you still want to think we can firmly believe UofL was #1 before YUM?

I obviously misinterpreted that article, which did say UofL was #1 even before YUM. But I'd love to see the method used to calculate those pre-YUM figures, as there doesn't seem to be any reason to think UofL brought in more profit than the likes of Kentucky or UNC before YUM.
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(04-05-2016 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-05-2016 08:19 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-05-2016 08:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(04-03-2016 10:33 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Not exactly believable. Seriously Memphis not in the Top50? USF in the Top30?! Who is seriously going to believe that? This list likely doesn't take into account accounting tricks that most colleges employ to avoid showing profits. I know Memphis' income/expenses always show as the exact same number when the reality is that basketball is insanely profitable and supports every other sport at the university.

Not to mention it has Notre Dame behind East Carolina.

Wow ... that does make it unbelievable. 07-coffee3

Yeah....the methodology after the Top 20 is shaky...

Ah .. so you still want to think we can firmly believe UofL was #1 before YUM?

I obviously misinterpreted that article, which did say UofL was #1 even before YUM. But I'd love to see the method used to calculate those pre-YUM figures, as there doesn't seem to be any reason to think UofL brought in more profit than the likes of Kentucky or UNC before YUM.

Actually I do...the advertising they received and they also had a extremely favorable lease with Freedom Hall as well. Plus Freedom Hall still was one of the first College Arenas to have Luxuary Boxes when it was renovated in the Mid 80's.

Now what happen it went from close with Kansas during that time period to the gulf with the lease with the Yum Center.

Now the question I have is how to they compare with Football Programs with the Yum Center.
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(04-05-2016 06:59 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-04-2016 01:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Any valuation of a programs worth should always include UL,UK, UNC Kansas and Cuse in the top 6. These 4 teams have the largest attendance, the ten largest merchandise sales, top 10 largest national fanbases, and top 10 tv ratings. Duke should be in the top 10 as well. Don't know why Arizona, Wisconsin and OSU are in the top 10.

The Top 4 should be on a consistent basis Louisville, Kentucky, North Carolina & Kansas. I completely understand Ohio State, National Brand and they play in a NBA Quality arena as well.

I don't agree with OSU ahead of the likes of SU. SU has the much larger attendance and more revenue. In fact SU was the 3rd most profitable bb program. No, I do not agree with OSU being ahead of SU.
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