(03-31-2016 10:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 08:02 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:04 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:01 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 12:29 PM)UCBEast Wrote:  And the Catholic community already has its issues with errant priests, soooo this black eye (or would that be 'black bottom'...) on the JO's oh so pure image can't be too welcome I would think.

Macura went to a public HS, probably not Catholic. BTW Pedo preachers are just as common at Protestant / Baptist churches. Some Catholic schools do have a cult like feel to them.

I went to catholic school all throughout my education. I have no clue why the OP is even bringing up the whole catholic / non-Catholic thing in this instance. Like you said that kind of stuff happens just as much in other churches.

Whoa there muchachos!

I certainly don't want to make this into a catholic non-catholic thing. But to say there are as many pedo's in protestant as catholic churches is deep-end bull goose loony.

See one the one hand you have a deal where a guy isn't permitted to marry AND takes a vow of celibacy. Add in the fact that they go to school with all men and are surrounded with boy helpers and later, often young male students.

On the other you have people who are perfectly free to marry, have as much sex as they care to have and have a family with as kids as they want.

Now think about the people who would even consider signing up for option 1. They ARE going to have sex and their options (without being discovered) are bascially other men and boys.

Now that isn't to say sexual transgressions aren't also very common in protestant churches. Because they are. The difference is they are almost always of the hetero adult variety. Servicing the flock if you will.

And that is all - Please continue

OK

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abu...-catholic/

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/nat.../80877.htm

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
http://www.christiancentury.org/article/...xual-abuse

Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05...clergy/39/

Bad eggs exist everywhere (teachers, priests, cops, accountants, engineers, presidents :)) but they are the exceptions...and hopefully are caught before they can cause a lot of damage. "Normal" people go into professions to help, to serve and to earn a living. We can make humorous generalizations (and I do it too, hence my comment about presidents) but I think the good that these people do is often missed by the media and politicians who are looking for someone to blame for the ills of society.

(04-01-2016 08:37 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 10:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 08:02 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:04 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:01 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Macura went to a public HS, probably not Catholic. BTW Pedo preachers are just as common at Protestant / Baptist churches. Some Catholic schools do have a cult like feel to them.

I went to catholic school all throughout my education. I have no clue why the OP is even bringing up the whole catholic / non-Catholic thing in this instance. Like you said that kind of stuff happens just as much in other churches.

Whoa there muchachos!

I certainly don't want to make this into a catholic non-catholic thing. But to say there are as many pedo's in protestant as catholic churches is deep-end bull goose loony.

See one the one hand you have a deal where a guy isn't permitted to marry AND takes a vow of celibacy. Add in the fact that they go to school with all men and are surrounded with boy helpers and later, often young male students.

On the other you have people who are perfectly free to marry, have as much sex as they care to have and have a family with as kids as they want.

Now think about the people who would even consider signing up for option 1. They ARE going to have sex and their options (without being discovered) are bascially other men and boys.

Now that isn't to say sexual transgressions aren't also very common in protestant churches. Because they are. The difference is they are almost always of the hetero adult variety. Servicing the flock if you will.

And that is all - Please continue

OK

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abu...-catholic/

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/nat.../80877.htm

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
http://www.christiancentury.org/article/...xual-abuse

Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05...clergy/39/

Bad eggs exist everywhere (teachers, priests, cops, accountants, engineers, presidents :)) but they are the exceptions...and hopefully are caught before they can cause a lot of damage. "Normal" people go into professions to help, to serve and to earn a living. We can make humorous generalizations (and I do it too, hence my comment about presidents) but I think the good that these people do is often missed by the media and politicians who are looking for someone to blame for the ills of society.

Of course bad eggs exist everywhere, but certain positions attract sexual predators. Positions of power certainly do, but positions that have perceived power over one's eternal soul do more so than others.

Hey, the kid was in a bar. Unless he was backed against a wall, if he was mooning someone he was flashing his junk to people in the other direction.

oh my god who cares? sweep it under the rug for all i care. let's just beat these clowns next year.

(03-31-2016 12:48 PM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Moments like these really test the character of our fan base. These are kids. Kids do dumb ****.

This is the hottest of all hot takes.

(03-31-2016 11:15 PM)subflea Wrote:  Yup, religion is stupid no matter which faith.

You are a mod, you should know better.

(03-31-2016 08:02 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:04 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:01 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 12:29 PM)UCBEast Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 12:05 PM)dave108 Wrote:  agree. but, as a product of a catholic education, I think the treatment just shows the hypocrisy involved with the j/o place on victory parkway

And the Catholic community already has its issues with errant priests, soooo this black eye (or would that be 'black bottom'...) on the JO's oh so pure image can't be too welcome I would think.

Macura went to a public HS, probably not Catholic. BTW Pedo preachers are just as common at Protestant / Baptist churches. Some Catholic schools do have a cult like feel to them.

I went to catholic school all throughout my education. I have no clue why the OP is even bringing up the whole catholic / non-Catholic thing in this instance. Like you said that kind of stuff happens just as much in other churches.

Whoa there muchachos!

I certainly don't want to make this into a catholic non-catholic thing. But to say there are as many pedo's in protestant as catholic churches is deep-end bull goose loony.

See one the one hand you have a deal where a guy isn't permitted to marry AND takes a vow of celibacy. Add in the fact that they go to school with all men and are surrounded with boy helpers and later, often young male students.

On the other you have people who are perfectly free to marry, have as much sex as they care to have and have a family with as kids as they want.

Now think about the people who would even consider signing up for option 1. They ARE going to have sex and their options (without being discovered) are bascially other men and boys.

Now that isn't to say sexual transgressions aren't also very common in protestant churches. Because they are. The difference is they are almost always of the hetero adult variety. Servicing the flock if you will.

And that is all - Please continue

I would also say we really don't know the extent in either church. The Catholic Church has a reputation of sweeping these things under the rug, so yes we don't know the extent. On the other hand, Protestant churches while typically allowing the pastor to marry and have a family may not have a hierarchy like the Catholic Church where an authority reviews these matters or has a single unified organization to lump these reports together and attribute them to a particular group, this making it more difficult to report data and compare it to other groups.

WOW..what a bunch of worthless contributions in this thread. Find a hobby

We go from one Xavier kid acting like an idiot to talks about religious sex scandals.

Forget about religion for a moment.

When I was much younger than I am now, I earned a living as a musician. I played professionally for 13 years and much of that work was in night clubs. I played many clubs that were college hangouts (near UC, X, and Miami and several near UD). Over the years, I saw many drunk, obnoxious patrons. I saw people get into fights. I saw people pass out on the dance floor. I saw people puke all over themselves and others. I heard every swear word ever uttered on the planet.

What I never saw in those 13 years was someone drop their pants and show either their front side or their backside.

Keep in mind that not everyone who goes to a nightclub does so to drink. I saw many people who never had anything stronger than a Pepsi. Some people go just to dance or listen to the band that is playing.

For those who say that it was just college hijinks, how would you feel if your wife, girlfriend, or daughter was there and saw it and they were there just to hear the band?

(03-31-2016 10:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 08:02 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:04 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:01 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 12:29 PM)UCBEast Wrote:  And the Catholic community already has its issues with errant priests, soooo this black eye (or would that be 'black bottom'...) on the JO's oh so pure image can't be too welcome I would think.

Macura went to a public HS, probably not Catholic. BTW Pedo preachers are just as common at Protestant / Baptist churches. Some Catholic schools do have a cult like feel to them.

I went to catholic school all throughout my education. I have no clue why the OP is even bringing up the whole catholic / non-Catholic thing in this instance. Like you said that kind of stuff happens just as much in other churches.

Whoa there muchachos!

I certainly don't want to make this into a catholic non-catholic thing. But to say there are as many pedo's in protestant as catholic churches is deep-end bull goose loony.

See one the one hand you have a deal where a guy isn't permitted to marry AND takes a vow of celibacy. Add in the fact that they go to school with all men and are surrounded with boy helpers and later, often young male students.

On the other you have people who are perfectly free to marry, have as much sex as they care to have and have a family with as kids as they want.

Now think about the people who would even consider signing up for option 1. They ARE going to have sex and their options (without being discovered) are bascially other men and boys.

Now that isn't to say sexual transgressions aren't also very common in protestant churches. Because they are. The difference is they are almost always of the hetero adult variety. Servicing the flock if you will.

And that is all - Please continue

OK

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abu...-catholic/

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/nat.../80877.htm

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
http://www.christiancentury.org/article/...xual-abuse

Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05...clergy/39/

Fly both your articles are referencing the personal OPINION of one guy, Boz Tchividjian, based on his personal anectodal evidence and experience.

Your second is from insurance and risk management companies. Which makes sense, they are basing it on the catholic claims they receive and process. Which is very few. The fact is most of the abuse cases have been settled out of court and handled and paid directly by the Catholic Church, outside the insurance process.

By the Catholic church's own numbers they have paid out 2.2 Billion to about 100,000 people in the US alone. And those numbers only run through 2012.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/vat...s-us-alone

The last mooning I saw was at the Great Midwest Conference basketball tournament in Memphis.

A friend and myself went and stayed at a Motel 6 outside of town, then took a cab downtown to where all the rich alumni were staying. One day at lunch we found ourselves with a bunch of young, rich alumni who were going out into the street and bringing in local women by buying their food/drinks. The last group of women to hang out with us was a grandma/mother/daughter combination. The girl was about 16, mother about 32 and grandma about 48 (and still looking good).

After they left they went to the parking garage across the street. There (to the everlasting shame of the daughter) the mother and grandma dropped their slacks and mooned us all. All fun and no harm to anyone (except that poor 16 year old girl).

(04-01-2016 09:29 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  Forget about religion for a moment.

When I was much younger than I am now, I earned a living as a musician. I played professionally for 13 years and much of that work was in night clubs. I played many clubs that were college hangouts (near UC, X, and Miami and several near UD). Over the years, I saw many drunk, obnoxious patrons. I saw people get into fights. I saw people pass out on the dance floor. I saw people puke all over themselves and others. I heard every swear word ever uttered on the planet.

What I never saw in those 13 years was someone drop their pants and show either their front side or their backside.

Keep in mind that not everyone who goes to a nightclub does so to drink. I saw many people who never had anything stronger than a Pepsi. Some people go just to dance or listen to the band that is playing.

For those who say that it was just college hijinks, how would you feel if your wife, girlfriend, or daughter was there and saw it and they were there just to hear the band?

I never saw a dude moon anyone or show his junk in a bar but I have seen them do it outside the bar in the parking lot/in the street. As to the ladies, I will tell you I have seen the girls show their boobs at bars on several occasions. I'm not just talking about New Orleans either.

(04-01-2016 09:29 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  Forget about religion for a moment.

When I was much younger than I am now, I earned a living as a musician. I played professionally for 13 years and much of that work was in night clubs. I played many clubs that were college hangouts (near UC, X, and Miami and several near UD). Over the years, I saw many drunk, obnoxious patrons. I saw people get into fights. I saw people pass out on the dance floor. I saw people puke all over themselves and others. I heard every swear word ever uttered on the planet.

What I never saw in those 13 years was someone drop their pants and show either their front side or their backside.

Keep in mind that not everyone who goes to a nightclub does so to drink. I saw many people who never had anything stronger than a Pepsi. Some people go just to dance or listen to the band that is playing.

For those who say that it was just college hijinks, how would you feel if your wife, girlfriend, or daughter was there and saw it and they were there just to hear the band?

That's what I was saying last night. I've been to bars, parties, receptions, and have seen plenty of drunks and drunken disorderlies. I can't remember seeing someone whip it out (frontal or reverse) ever. That's the part that is weird.

drunk = normal college kid
drunk + disorderly = normal college kid
drunk + disorderly + whip it out = WTF?

(04-01-2016 09:34 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 10:16 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 08:02 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:04 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 01:01 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Macura went to a public HS, probably not Catholic. BTW Pedo preachers are just as common at Protestant / Baptist churches. Some Catholic schools do have a cult like feel to them.

I went to catholic school all throughout my education. I have no clue why the OP is even bringing up the whole catholic / non-Catholic thing in this instance. Like you said that kind of stuff happens just as much in other churches.

Whoa there muchachos!

I certainly don't want to make this into a catholic non-catholic thing. But to say there are as many pedo's in protestant as catholic churches is deep-end bull goose loony.

See one the one hand you have a deal where a guy isn't permitted to marry AND takes a vow of celibacy. Add in the fact that they go to school with all men and are surrounded with boy helpers and later, often young male students.

On the other you have people who are perfectly free to marry, have as much sex as they care to have and have a family with as kids as they want.

Now think about the people who would even consider signing up for option 1. They ARE going to have sex and their options (without being discovered) are bascially other men and boys.

Now that isn't to say sexual transgressions aren't also very common in protestant churches. Because they are. The difference is they are almost always of the hetero adult variety. Servicing the flock if you will.

And that is all - Please continue

OK

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual-abu...-catholic/

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/nat.../80877.htm

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
http://www.christiancentury.org/article/...xual-abuse

Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05...clergy/39/

Fly both your articles are referencing the personal OPINION of one guy, Boz Tchividjian, based on his personal anectodal evidence and experience.

Your second is from insurance and risk management companies. Which makes sense, they are basing it on the catholic claims they receive and process. Which is very few. The fact is most of the abuse cases have been settled out of court and handled and paid directly by the Catholic Church, outside the insurance process.

By the Catholic church's own numbers they have paid out 2.2 Billion to about 100,000 people in the US alone. And those numbers only run through 2012.

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/vat...s-us-alone

I work in the insurance claims industry. Even though those claims "settled out of court", you can guarantee the Church turned claims into their carrier for handling. Insurance companies settle cases on behalf of their insureds prior to litigation all the time.

I am sure the claims were handled under Reservation of Rights and the insurerer denied coverage for certain aspects of the complaint which fall into exclusions of the policy, but good plaintiff lawyers know how to create causes of action that would fall within the scope of the insurance policy. Intentional/criminal acts would not be covered but claims of negligence (ie. failure to follow or have a certain policy in place, negligent hiring, etc.) would be.

(04-01-2016 09:29 AM)QSECOFR Wrote:  Forget about religion for a moment.

When I was much younger than I am now, I earned a living as a musician. I played professionally for 13 years and much of that work was in night clubs. I played many clubs that were college hangouts (near UC, X, and Miami and several near UD). Over the years, I saw many drunk, obnoxious patrons. I saw people get into fights. I saw people pass out on the dance floor. I saw people puke all over themselves and others. I heard every swear word ever uttered on the planet.

What I never saw in those 13 years was someone drop their pants and show either their front side or their backside.

Keep in mind that not everyone who goes to a nightclub does so to drink. I saw many people who never had anything stronger than a Pepsi. Some people go just to dance or listen to the band that is playing.

For those who say that it was just college hijinks, how would you feel if your wife, girlfriend, or daughter was there and saw it and they were there just to hear the band?