There is also a D3 school called Buffalo State. Buffalo needs to just stick to being Buffalo to make them not being confused by the other schools.

(03-31-2016 08:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 07:58 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 07:21 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 06:23 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 05:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I see Army, Air Force, Wichita State and any MWC schools as a big no. I was looking at the USA Today chart of database which shows all public schools, but all of the private schools do not respond on how much they spend.

43.UConn $71 million budget on their athletics.
52.Cincinnati
55.Memphis
56.New Mexico No
57.USF
58.Boise State No
59.UCF
60.San Diego State
61.UNLV
62.James Madison AAC type of spending at the FCS level.
63.Hawaii
64.Air Force
65.ODU $41 million
66.Houston
67.East Carolina
68.Colorado State
69.Fresno State
70.U. Mass. $33 million
71.Wyoming
72.Army No
73.Delaware
74.Akron $32 million
75.North Texas
76.Buffalo $31
77.UAB $31 million
78.W. Michigan
79.E. Michigan
80.Cal-Davis
81.New Mexico State
82.Marshall
83.C. Michigan
84.Middle Tennessee State
85.Miami Ohio
86.UTEP
87.Texas State
88.Charlotte
89.San Jose State
90.UNR
91.W. Kentucky
92.FIU
93.VCU They could add football and could be a top FBS prospect.
94.Georgia State
95.Ohio U.
96.UTSA
97.New Hampshire
98.Stony Brook
99.Toledo
100.Northern Illinois

7 MVC/MVFC achools that are spending money FBS region that are not in the top 100.
Southern Illinois, Wichita State, Illinois State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, Missouri State.

5 other CAA schools up there.
URI, Towson, William & Mary, Maine, Albany

6 Big Sky schools
North Dakota, Cal-Poly, Sacramento State, Montana, Montana State, Northern Arizona

2 OVC school. Murray State, Chattanooga

1 Big South member. Kennesaw State

2 Southland schools Lamar, SFA.

8 non-football schools.
George Mason
Illinois-Chicago
Vermont
College of Charleston
Cal-Irvine
Long Beach State
Cal-Santa Barbara
Cal-Riverside

As the rumors of the P5 taken some of the G5 to break away from the NCAA has led many schools looking into adding football and upped their spending to get noticed for something bigger. Schools are afraid to be left behind from the P5. So, they are elbowing their way to get noticed.

James Madison and Delaware looks good to be part of the AAC. Lets say the western part of the AAC decides that it costs too much to stay and leave to form their own conference? I could see U. Mass., Old Dominion, James Madison, Buffalo, Delaware and Stony Brook could be looked at.

Navy have not responded to how much they spend.

SMU, Rice, Tulane, Temple, and several Sun Belt was not on the list.

Plus, this was 2014 spending, and things could have changed last year as well.

I believe Wichita comes in at around 105 and that's with no football. Their budget with football will be between 35 and 40M to begin. I know that's not the most, but it would be a respectable showing for a new football program.

Tulane was in the lower 40s last year, and with the new increases in the hoops budget they should be in the mid 40s (maybe pushing a little higher).

WSU would need to add another 5-15 million to the budget to fit in with the middle 50% of the AAC.

The 35 to 40M is a starting point for the return. I have no doubt that it would rise as needed as things got moving. I believe the added football budget of 15M is a starting point for year 1. I don't think that's a bad place to start for an FCS/Transitioning school.

If football returns we will do it aggressively but smart. The budget will be what it needs to be to get going while we take care of everything else. And come to think of it, the number I've been using is just adding the projected football budget and not the other sports that will be added with it. But I have no idea which sports outside of women's soccer and probably beach volleyball would be added and what kind of added expenses those would be. I'd guess at least another 5M and probably more.

There is very little reason to think that a WSU FBS program would be very successful. The two existing Kansas programs are struggling and they have far more resources and a much higher profile than WSU would have. A successful basketball program is no guarantee that a school can field a successful FBS program. Do they have a chance to do well? Of course.

But the program was not much back in the day and it was not very well supported when it existed. My guess is the AAC would be not be very interested in the idea of adding WSU for football anytime in the near future. If the program takes off, they might become interested at that point---but Im guessing they would want to see it develop before entertaining any thought of adding it to the football league. I could easily see WSU as a non-football addition.

KSU is struggling?

KU is dog poo right now but as Mangino proved, winning there isn't impossible.

Also, given the JUCO powerhouses in Kansas and the Midwest I can see WVU harvesting that talent pool and being respectable in the AAC or MWC.

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(04-01-2016 03:32 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 11:40 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:36 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 08:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'd take UMASS with Buffalo IF...Buffalo rebranded as simply New York. Two more flagships to join the one in the AAC North:
New York, UMASS, UCONN, Temple, Navy, Cincy, ECU.
AAC South: UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Houston.
Cheers!

Buffalo pretty much does that as much as can be reasonably done as one of the 4 university centers. They put New York in big print with Buffalo much smaller.

They can't be called New York University. There is already a school called that at the D3 level. I don't think there is a New York State University.

They are already State University of New York. That is the official name. Buffalo is what it is typically called though when people refer to it. It is the same as saying Berkeley instead of University of California at Berkeley. U. Cal. has its own special thing going though because it is the first of California's flagships (the second is UCLA). So people just call it Cal.

Buffalo is in a similar position to the other 3 university centers in NY as Cal is to the other U. California's. Buffalo is in essence the flagship even if that is not an official designation. It's programs and departments are the highest ranked of the 4 centers, it is AAU along with 2 of the other centers, and it dwarfs the other centers in terms of research budget.

Buffalo's research budget is, for instance, 3x bigger than Stony Brook's, which is also AAU.

Being from NY that isn't really true. Buffalo is one of 4 university centers and for most people they really treat them all like that. There is no Cal in NY. Part of that is the private school bias in the NE. Another issue is that NY has many of its schools sort of specialized (at least more than most states) in certain areas so you may choose a school that is actually really good at certain majors rather than just picking the larger school. Buffalo does a lot of research but Binghamton is actually the higher ranked school for many parts of undergraduate education. That does not make Binghamton a better school overall but if you look closely they serve a slightly different purpose.

Buffalo has many advantages over the other university centers but you can't really claim that they are the Cal of the system. Buffalo is trying to make themselves into that with how they are trying to market themselves but as of yet the typical person in NY does not feel that way.

I see you're a Binghamton grad. It's a great school. I'm inside SUNY. We look at the metrics. NSF and Carnegie rankings of departments and faculty. Buffalo really is far ahead in the rankings. Internally, we call Buffalo the flagship.

What you say is right about the centers. In California, formally, UCLA is equal to Cal. That's the point I was making. Just as Binghamton is equal to Buffalo. But informally, people have Cal ahead of UCLA just as the metrics show that Buffalo is ahead of Binghamton.

That's OK though because with the new state budget passed yesterday, the SUNY Centers are in for a rough ride, and the state is in for a rude awakening. They saved a penny, but they are pound foolish. They don't even realize how close to the bottom some of the SUNY Centers are in the AAU rankings. If these schools are ever jettisoned, they can kiss half of the current $750 million a year in federal research grants goodbye. And for what? To save $15m a year.

(04-01-2016 06:59 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:36 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 08:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'd take UMASS with Buffalo IF...Buffalo rebranded as simply New York. Two more flagships to join the one in the AAC North:
New York, UMASS, UCONN, Temple, Navy, Cincy, ECU.
AAC South: UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Houston.
Cheers!

Buffalo pretty much does that as much as can be reasonably done as one of the 4 university centers. They put New York in big print with Buffalo much smaller.

They can't be called New York University. There is already a school called that at the D3 level. I don't think there is a New York State University.

What about State University of New York? That way they don't even need to change the signs, merchandise, or even the official name of the school.

Hence what the department has been doing with it's branding..

(04-01-2016 10:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 06:59 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:36 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 08:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'd take UMASS with Buffalo IF...Buffalo rebranded as simply New York. Two more flagships to join the one in the AAC North:
New York, UMASS, UCONN, Temple, Navy, Cincy, ECU.
AAC South: UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Houston.
Cheers!

Buffalo pretty much does that as much as can be reasonably done as one of the 4 university centers. They put New York in big print with Buffalo much smaller.

They can't be called New York University. There is already a school called that at the D3 level. I don't think there is a New York State University.

What about State University of New York? That way they don't even need to change the signs, merchandise, or even the official name of the school.

Hence what the department has been doing with it's branding..

That's actually a really damn good idea. I just wish NIU's branding took off like that. I still hear "Northern Illinois" on ESPN all the damn time

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(04-01-2016 09:38 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 03:32 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 11:40 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 01:56 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 12:36 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Buffalo pretty much does that as much as can be reasonably done as one of the 4 university centers. They put New York in big print with Buffalo much smaller.

They can't be called New York University. There is already a school called that at the D3 level. I don't think there is a New York State University.

They are already State University of New York. That is the official name. Buffalo is what it is typically called though when people refer to it. It is the same as saying Berkeley instead of University of California at Berkeley. U. Cal. has its own special thing going though because it is the first of California's flagships (the second is UCLA). So people just call it Cal.

Buffalo is in a similar position to the other 3 university centers in NY as Cal is to the other U. California's. Buffalo is in essence the flagship even if that is not an official designation. It's programs and departments are the highest ranked of the 4 centers, it is AAU along with 2 of the other centers, and it dwarfs the other centers in terms of research budget.

Buffalo's research budget is, for instance, 3x bigger than Stony Brook's, which is also AAU.

Being from NY that isn't really true. Buffalo is one of 4 university centers and for most people they really treat them all like that. There is no Cal in NY. Part of that is the private school bias in the NE. Another issue is that NY has many of its schools sort of specialized (at least more than most states) in certain areas so you may choose a school that is actually really good at certain majors rather than just picking the larger school. Buffalo does a lot of research but Binghamton is actually the higher ranked school for many parts of undergraduate education. That does not make Binghamton a better school overall but if you look closely they serve a slightly different purpose.

Buffalo has many advantages over the other university centers but you can't really claim that they are the Cal of the system. Buffalo is trying to make themselves into that with how they are trying to market themselves but as of yet the typical person in NY does not feel that way.

I see you're a Binghamton grad. It's a great school. I'm inside SUNY. We look at the metrics. NSF and Carnegie rankings of departments and faculty. Buffalo really is far ahead in the rankings. Internally, we call Buffalo the flagship.

What you say is right about the centers. In California, formally, UCLA is equal to Cal. That's the point I was making. Just as Binghamton is equal to Buffalo. But informally, people have Cal ahead of UCLA just as the metrics show that Buffalo is ahead of Binghamton.

That's OK though because with the new state budget passed yesterday, the SUNY Centers are in for a rough ride, and the state is in for a rude awakening. They saved a penny, but they are pound foolish. They don't even realize how close to the bottom some of the SUNY Centers are in the AAU rankings. If these schools are ever jettisoned, they can kiss half of the current $750 million a year in federal research grants goodbye. And for what? To save $15m a year.

Actually my family lives near Binghamton (Tioga County) I actually went to Kent State in Ohio.

As for the pecking order I was thinking more of the public viewpoint and from where I was none of the university centers got thought of being anymore special than the other. Frankly none of the centers get as much respect as I think they should. They often get thought of as back up schools when many are very high quality institutions but the North East has never been good about thinking highly of public high education compared to private.