(03-30-2016 01:47 PM)ucdsk Wrote:  I think therefore I am....CTT you did win alot of games...the expectations were and are for more than delivered so far. And oh win a bowl game.

How 'bout at least making a reasonable showing in a bowl game?

I'm hopeful for the upcoming season. I realize Tubbs has been "Retired in place" (RIP) but you all are the most negative group of fans I've come across. Absolutely depressing to read football threads here.

P5 disadvantage in recruiting is very, very real. I know a couple of recruits UC lost out on because a path to a national championship is easier in the P5. P5 coaches use it time and again.

Yes Houston and a few others had good recruiting classes... give it a couple of years of not getting access and see where they are.

(04-04-2016 09:09 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I'm hopeful for the upcoming season. I realize Tubbs has been "Retired in place" (RIP) but you all are the most negative group of fans I've come across. Absolutely depressing to read football threads here.

P5 disadvantage in recruiting is very, very real. I know a couple of recruits UC lost out on because a path to a national championship is easier in the P5. P5 coaches use it time and again.

Yes Houston and a few others had good recruiting classes... give it a couple of years of not getting access and see where they are.

I just don't buy this for more than a handful of P5 schools. At Northwestern? At Iowa State? At Wake Forest? At Vandy? Sure, P5 has an inarguable advantage over most of the G5. But this is one area where I'm just not buying it. The G5 gets a guaranteed spot in a New Year's day bowl. And while unlikely, making the title game isn't impossible for a G5 school. Schedule tough games out of conference, take care of your schedule and see how things pan out. If I'm a successful P5 school I like my chances a heck of a lot better than the BCs, Vandys IUs or Washington States of the world.

(03-30-2016 08:55 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  UC is damn lucky to have that man.

(04-04-2016 09:09 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I'm hopeful for the upcoming season. I realize Tubbs has been "Retired in place" (RIP) but you all are the most negative group of fans I've come across. Absolutely depressing to read football threads here.

P5 disadvantage in recruiting is very, very real. I know a couple of recruits UC lost out on because a path to a national championship is easier in the P5. P5 coaches use it time and again.

Yes Houston and a few others had good recruiting classes... give it a couple of years of not getting access and see where they are.

Really? They passed UC in warp drive in less than one season by making the absolute right hire for on and off the field.

Have them hire their own version of TT....say Frank Solich ...and I agree, lets see where they are in a couple years.

The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

There is plenty of negativity to go around. Ducking your head does't make the stuff causing the negativity to go away.

The folks on 247 even hit the negativity-o-meter this past off season. I guess if you don't like negativity, you don't have to read other people's opinions on a topic that you view through different lenses.

Until we see actual improvement on the field and by the guys in golf shirts, all we have to go off of is three+ years of this guy so far. The program is not in as good of shape as it was before TT got here. Its just a fact. Now if that is all on the conference, I'll leave that to others to determine.

Read my signature and ask yourself if we were jogging then and if we are running now. Rhetorical question.

(04-04-2016 01:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

We can't compete with MSU. But what's the excuse for losing a guy like Larkin to Northwestern? Or O'Sullivan to Syracuse? Or Webster to Iowa State? These are three flips just a few months back that we lost to mediocre at best P5 programs.

(04-04-2016 11:09 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 09:09 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I'm hopeful for the upcoming season. I realize Tubbs has been "Retired in place" (RIP) but you all are the most negative group of fans I've come across. Absolutely depressing to read football threads here.

P5 disadvantage in recruiting is very, very real. I know a couple of recruits UC lost out on because a path to a national championship is easier in the P5. P5 coaches use it time and again.

Yes Houston and a few others had good recruiting classes... give it a couple of years of not getting access and see where they are.

I just don't buy this for more than a handful of P5 schools. At Northwestern? At Iowa State? At Wake Forest? At Vandy? Sure, P5 has an inarguable advantage over most of the G5. But this is one area where I'm just not buying it. The G5 gets a guaranteed spot in a New Year's day bowl. And while unlikely, making the title game isn't impossible for a G5 school. Schedule tough games out of conference, take care of your schedule and see how things pan out. If I'm a successful P5 school I like my chances a heck of a lot better than the BCs, Vandys IUs or Washington States of the world.

I think the barrier is real. If anything I think UC has a greater disadvantage than other schools in the AAC. They were one of three schools who were downgraded in status. Houston, Temple, UCF, etc. all received an upgrade in status. The second thing to consider is that there are more FBS caliber recruits in a 200 mile radius of Houston, Tampa and Orlando than Cincinnati, OH. What's more, there are less P5 schools within a 200 miles of Houston, Philly, Tampa and Orlando to compete against for recruits than Cincinnati.

BC, Northwestern, Vandy, Duke, etc. are really in a different tier than your typical P5 programs. They have their academics and in the case of four of those schools cities to sell to recruits. Having a degree from Northwestern opens a lot of doors if football is not your final destination in life. I will never knock a kid for going to one of those schools.

As to Iowa State, I will just say this... heard from a very reliable source that Jones wanted to come here but he had family members who told him he was too good to play at a G5 school. Basically they believe finishing last in a P5 is better than winning a G5 conference (as an aside I think Matt Campbell will do great things at Iowa State-- he is already recruiting at a pretty high level).

What's there to be negative about?
FIVE straight Bowl invites and every reason to expect we'll be in the running for a sixth!

Life.
Is.
Good!

(Seriously, though... I have come to the point with Bearcat Football where a win-is-a-win-is-a-win. A winning record is the goal, anything more than that is pure gravy. If you don't believe me, ask the good folks up the road in Oxford or down the road at Tulane or SMU. They'd all give wisdom teeth to be in UC's predicament.)

Losing 2 out of your last 3 games by a combined 73 points to G5 powerhouses USF and SDSU will cause some negativity....or apathy.

(04-04-2016 01:22 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 01:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

We can't compete with MSU. But what's the excuse for losing a guy like Larkin to Northwestern? Or O'Sullivan to Syracuse? Or Webster to Iowa State? These are three flips just a few months back that we lost to mediocre at best P5 programs.

I'm only guessing but maybe they'd rather play the schedule against P5 opponents vice Tulane, et. al.

And I am not ducking my head, I know the team has issues. I've been with this team and University through far worse times. Go Bearcats!

(04-04-2016 01:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

I mostly consider myself a positive UC fan, but the direction of the football program has been legitimately troubling. So, as someone who will ultimately go into the season hoping to see things get turned around I ask you: How can things get turned around and how likely is it to happen this year?

(04-04-2016 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I mostly consider myself a positive UC fan, but the direction of the football program has been legitimately troubling. So, as someone who will ultimately go into the season hoping to see things get turned around I ask you: How can things get turned around and how likely is it to happen this year?

I don't expect it to turn around at all. My plan... drink heavily...

(04-04-2016 01:25 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:09 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 09:09 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I'm hopeful for the upcoming season. I realize Tubbs has been "Retired in place" (RIP) but you all are the most negative group of fans I've come across. Absolutely depressing to read football threads here.

P5 disadvantage in recruiting is very, very real. I know a couple of recruits UC lost out on because a path to a national championship is easier in the P5. P5 coaches use it time and again.

Yes Houston and a few others had good recruiting classes... give it a couple of years of not getting access and see where they are.

I just don't buy this for more than a handful of P5 schools. At Northwestern? At Iowa State? At Wake Forest? At Vandy? Sure, P5 has an inarguable advantage over most of the G5. But this is one area where I'm just not buying it. The G5 gets a guaranteed spot in a New Year's day bowl. And while unlikely, making the title game isn't impossible for a G5 school. Schedule tough games out of conference, take care of your schedule and see how things pan out. If I'm a successful P5 school I like my chances a heck of a lot better than the BCs, Vandys IUs or Washington States of the world.

I think the barrier is real. If anything I think UC has a greater disadvantage than other schools in the AAC. They were one of three schools who were downgraded in status. Houston, Temple, UCF, etc. all received an upgrade in status. The second thing to consider is that there are more FBS caliber recruits in a 200 mile radius of Houston, Tampa and Orlando than Cincinnati, OH. What's more, there are less P5 schools within a 200 miles of Houston, Philly, Tampa and Orlando to compete against for recruits than Cincinnati.

BC, Northwestern, Vandy, Duke, etc. are really in a different tier than your typical P5 programs. They have their academics and in the case of four of those schools cities to sell to recruits. Having a degree from Northwestern opens a lot of doors if football is not your final destination in life. I will never knock a kid for going to one of those schools.

As to Iowa State, I will just say this... heard from a very reliable source that Jones wanted to come here but he had family members who told him he was too good to play at a G5 school. Basically they believe finishing last in a P5 is better than winning a G5 conference (as an aside I think Matt Campbell will do great things at Iowa State-- he is already recruiting at a pretty high level).

All good points. I think there's some truth to both sides.

(04-04-2016 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 01:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

I mostly consider myself a positive UC fan, but the direction of the football program has been legitimately troubling. So, as someone who will ultimately go into the season hoping to see things get turned around I ask you: How can things get turned around and how likely is it to happen this year?

Related to Mark's point, I would spin it the other way from the "negative fans' view" and ask what do you see that makes you feel positive about the current coaching regime or the direction the program is heading? We just had a mass defection of assistant coaches and the AD has not exactly endorsed the head coach or addressed his contract status. Not good signs of the current state of the program set to begin Year Four IMO.

(04-04-2016 08:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 01:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

I mostly consider myself a positive UC fan, but the direction of the football program has been legitimately troubling. So, as someone who will ultimately go into the season hoping to see things get turned around I ask you: How can things get turned around and how likely is it to happen this year?

Related to Mark's point, I would spin it the other way from the "negative fans' view" and ask what do you see that makes you feel positive about the current coaching regime or the direction the program is heading? We just had a mass defection of assistant coaches and the AD has not exactly endorsed the head coach or addressed his contract status. Not good signs of the current state of the program set to begin Year Four IMO.

Again:
FIVE. (I thought it was three, but it's FIVE)
Consecutive.
Bowl.
Appearances.
(Liberty, Belk, Belk, Military, and Hawaii)

Hell, even under Dantonio/Kelly our best previous run was only FOUR: (International, PapaJohns, Orange, Sugar)

Five consecutive bowls and we should be competitive for a 6th....That is head-and-shoulders BETTER than ANY other period in Bearcat football history. This is party time, people.

(04-04-2016 08:14 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 08:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 01:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

I mostly consider myself a positive UC fan, but the direction of the football program has been legitimately troubling. So, as someone who will ultimately go into the season hoping to see things get turned around I ask you: How can things get turned around and how likely is it to happen this year?

Related to Mark's point, I would spin it the other way from the "negative fans' view" and ask what do you see that makes you feel positive about the current coaching regime or the direction the program is heading? We just had a mass defection of assistant coaches and the AD has not exactly endorsed the head coach or addressed his contract status. Not good signs of the current state of the program set to begin Year Four IMO.

Again:
FIVE. (I thought it was three, but it's FIVE)
Consecutive.
Bowl.
Appearances.
(Liberty, Belk, Belk, Military, and Hawaii)

Hell, even under Dantonio/Kelly our best previous run was only FOUR: (International, PapaJohns, Orange, Sugar)

Five consecutive bowls and we should be competitive for a 6th....That is head-and-shoulders BETTER than ANY other period in Bearcat football history. This is party time, people.

Well Jerry, there is that. A potential sixth consecutive appearance in one of 40 bowls or one of 80 teams to qualify. It's not about winning one as much as appearing in one. You got me pumped now Bro!

(04-04-2016 08:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Well Jerry, there is that. A potential sixth consecutive appearance in one of 40 bowls or one of 80 teams to qualify. It's not about winning one as much as appearing in one. You got me pumped now Bro!

The road to #BOWLCATION2016 starts now!

(04-04-2016 08:27 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 08:14 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 08:06 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 01:14 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  The 2 recruits that passed on UC that I knew went to MSU, one of those recruits had UC as his #2 school.

I said this in another thread, I've got a good group of core friends I talk to about UC, I don't care much to discuss it here. Negativity is off the charts.

I mostly consider myself a positive UC fan, but the direction of the football program has been legitimately troubling. So, as someone who will ultimately go into the season hoping to see things get turned around I ask you: How can things get turned around and how likely is it to happen this year?

Related to Mark's point, I would spin it the other way from the "negative fans' view" and ask what do you see that makes you feel positive about the current coaching regime or the direction the program is heading? We just had a mass defection of assistant coaches and the AD has not exactly endorsed the head coach or addressed his contract status. Not good signs of the current state of the program set to begin Year Four IMO.

Again:
FIVE. (I thought it was three, but it's FIVE)
Consecutive.
Bowl.
Appearances.
(Liberty, Belk, Belk, Military, and Hawaii)

Hell, even under Dantonio/Kelly our best previous run was only FOUR: (International, PapaJohns, Orange, Sugar)

Five consecutive bowls and we should be competitive for a 6th....That is head-and-shoulders BETTER than ANY other period in Bearcat football history. This is party time, people.

Well Jerry, there is that. A potential sixth consecutive appearance in one of 40 bowls or one of 80 teams to qualify. It's not about winning one as much as appearing in one. You got me pumped now Bro!

Hey... Being negative hasn't worked. So, I'll try being positive. And when you stop and think about it, it IS remarkable that we have appeared in five consecutive bowl games. UC football went 46 seasons (from 1951-1997) without going to a single bowl. We have been to five in a row...Nine-in-Ten-years, actually... How many Bearcat fans came and went and never got to glimpse that type of success?