(03-31-2016 09:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  I don't remember Kennedy getting shot, but I remember the magazines with that as the cover story sitting on my parent's coffee table.

The idea that magazines (newspapers, even more so) were once a primary source of information for educated, upper/middle-class people seems very quaint now. I remember waiting for the chance to see current issues of Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, TIME, The Sporting News, etc. Even things like Reader's Digest and TV Guide usually had something in the way of information that you couldn't realistically find anywhere else. Nowadays, it's amazing they even exist (and of course, a lot of them don't).

(03-31-2016 06:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  What was it, 78% shooting? And they only won by two?

Yeah but they also only took, what, 10 shots in the second half? That stall ball basically ushered in the era of the shot clock.

It does make you wonder why backcourt violations, the 5-second rule, the 10-second rule and over and back are still on the books, if you don't get and keep the ball to the frontcourt with a shot clock running, you're an idiot anyways.

(03-31-2016 02:05 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  The UH/NCSt, UNLV/Duke, Georgetown/Villanova and UK/Wisconsin are the biggest upsets in my memory. Probably UK/Wisconsin was 4th. There was a lot of doubt about somebody managing to go 40-0.

Had it been Notre Dame, who nearly pulled it off in the Elite 8, it would have been a much bigger upset.

Crazy if the 99 Duke-UConn point spread was that high. Probably Duke was overhyped by Dukie Vitale and ACC fanboy Billy Packer.

In 99, UConn was ranked in the Top-4 all year. They were 34-2 (16-2 in the Big East), and won the Big East tourney. They were 12-2 vs ranked teams. They returned a ton of guys from their 98 team that made the Elite-8. And UConn had the better coach.

Actually, from the year Duke missed the NCAA's because Coach K was sick (1995), thru 2013 when the ACC broke up the "old" Big East, Duke was only 4-6 vs the Big East in the NCAA's. So 6 times being bounced by the Big East in a 17 year span, by 5 different Big East schools.

In only one of these 10 NCAA games was Duke the lower seed vs the Big East team (1-seed Louisville beat 2-seed Duke in 2013).

Their 6 losses were:
97 Providence 10-seed
99 Connecticut 1-seed
04 Connecticut 2-seed
08 West Virginia 7-seed
09 Villanova 3-seed
13 Louisville 1-seed

Their 4 wins were
98 Syracuse 5-seed.
02 Notre Dame 8-seed
04 Seton Hall 8-seed
10 West Virginia 2-seed

(03-31-2016 09:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 11:18 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 05:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 11:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw that today is the 25 year anniversary of Duke upsetting UNLV in 1991...

tomorrow is the 30 year anniversary of Louisville with Never Nervous Pervis Ellison winning it all....

wow, some great memories there....

I'm old enough to remember watching on TV the UCLA-Houston game in the Astrodome.

Exactly what I was thinking! These guys calling themselves old because of something that happened 25 years ago? Remembering when Reagan was shot? Heck I saw the UCLA-Houston game too, remember what I was doing when I heard Kennedy was shot and saw the Yankees play a doubleheader with the Kansas City Athletics when the Yankees still had Mantle AND Maris. Bunch of young whippersnappers... GET OFF OF MY LAWN!!

LOL!

Well I don't remember Kennedy getting shot, but I remember the magazines with that as the cover story sitting on my parent's coffee table.

I remember JFK's assassination. I was six and a half and in first grade.

(04-01-2016 02:09 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 06:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  What was it, 78% shooting? And they only won by two?

Yeah but they also only took, what, 10 shots in the second half? That stall ball basically ushered in the era of the shot clock.

It does make you wonder why backcourt violations, the 5-second rule, the 10-second rule and over and back are still on the books, if you don't get and keep the ball to the frontcourt with a shot clock running, you're an idiot anyways.

Over and back is a benefit to the defense. You've got a defender in that line. I think the 5 second rule has gone away.

(04-01-2016 01:51 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The idea that magazines (newspapers, even more so) were once a primary source of information for educated, upper/middle-class people seems very quaint now. I remember waiting for the chance to see current issues of Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, TIME, The Sporting News, etc. Even things like Reader's Digest and TV Guide usually had something in the way of information that you couldn't realistically find anywhere else. Nowadays, it's amazing they even exist (and of course, a lot of them don't).

They only exist because the publishers, editors and tenured writers are trying to keep their control of the industry from the internet blog types (almost a bottomless pit) and I honestly don't blame them one bit because I'd do the same in their position. Just don't get mad at me because I don't want to have to wait 12-22 hours to get breaking news. Heck, sometimes you can't wait because it's a matter of life and death. And it's a more fast paced, technological world than it used to be, why should we not go online these days? Even if there are hoaxes, stuff like Twitter breaks news in minutes.

(04-01-2016 05:35 AM)billyjack Wrote:  Crazy if the 99 Duke-UConn point spread was that high. Probably Duke was overhyped by Dukie Vitale and ACC fanboy Billy Packer.

In 99, UConn was ranked in the Top-4 all year. They were 34-2 (16-2 in the Big East), and won the Big East tourney. They were 12-2 vs ranked teams. They returned a ton of guys from their 98 team that made the Elite-8. And UConn had the better coach.

Actually, from the year Duke missed the NCAA's because Coach K was sick (1995), thru 2013 when the ACC broke up the "old" Big East, Duke was only 4-6 vs the Big East in the NCAA's. So 6 times being bounced by the Big East in a 17 year span, by 5 different Big East schools.

In only one of these 10 NCAA games was Duke the lower seed vs the Big East team (1-seed Louisville beat 2-seed Duke in 2013).

Their 6 losses were:
97 Providence 10-seed
99 Connecticut 1-seed
04 Connecticut 2-seed
08 West Virginia 7-seed
09 Villanova 3-seed
13 Louisville 1-seed

Their 4 wins were
98 Syracuse 5-seed.
02 Notre Dame 8-seed
04 Seton Hall 8-seed
10 West Virginia 2-seed

Whoa, lots of exaggerations there. Coach K has been the best coach in college basketball for years, he's turned an elite private school into a consistent yearly power. Except for when he was out with back issues, Duke hasn't missed the NCAA's in about three decades and hasn't been a double digit seed since the NCAA Tournament started seeding teams. Their lowest seeding has been 8 and they've only been seeded lower than 6 just that one time. All because of Coach AS.

That said, UConn flew under the radar because of Duke and the Dukies always had trouble when they played anyone that could come near to matching their talent that year. Izzo and the Flintstones almost took them out in the Semis.

(04-01-2016 11:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  Over and back is a benefit to the defense. You've got a defender in that line. I think the 5 second rule has gone away.

But why? Why does it even matter? The idea, before the shot clock, was to speed the game up and stop teams from playing spread all around the court and leading to scores like 13-11 and 24-19. As I said, if you're dilly-daddling in the backcourt for too long with a shot clock running, you're stupid anyways.

(04-01-2016 01:51 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 09:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  I don't remember Kennedy getting shot, but I remember the magazines with that as the cover story sitting on my parent's coffee table.

The idea that magazines (newspapers, even more so) were once a primary source of information for educated, upper/middle-class people seems very quaint now. I remember waiting for the chance to see current issues of Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, TIME, The Sporting News, etc. Even things like Reader's Digest and TV Guide usually had something in the way of information that you couldn't realistically find anywhere else. Nowadays, it's amazing they even exist (and of course, a lot of them don't).

I have that mag still.

(04-01-2016 11:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 11:22 AM)bullet Wrote:  Over and back is a benefit to the defense. You've got a defender in that line. I think the 5 second rule has gone away.

But why? Why does it even matter? The idea, before the shot clock, was to speed the game up and stop teams from playing spread all around the court and leading to scores like 13-11 and 24-19. As I said, if you're dilly-daddling in the backcourt for too long with a shot clock running, you're stupid anyways.

Even in the pros it is sometimes used to trap the dribbler and have steals. Moreso in college. If you have ever coached rec leagues or had kids in them, you would understand what a big deal that half court line is.

I get your point for a trap but what I'm saying is that the rule is archaic, from before the shot clock era. Now at the lower levels where there is no shot clock, those rules make sense but otherwise, for the hundreth time in this thread, any player is really stupid if they spend too much time in the backcourt not trying to get a shot before the clock expires.

And sorry if I came off as anal Bullet, I'm just acknowledging that I'm being redundant.

(04-02-2016 12:47 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  And sorry if I came off as anal Bullet, I'm just acknowledging that I'm being redundant.

It may be archaic, but its an important part of the game, with or without a shot clock. Not so much the 10 seconds, but the over and back that is intertwined with it.

Of course, the refs don't seem to know it too well. We were questioning the 10 second call on Gonzaga vs. Syracuse that gave the ball to SU in the last minute down 1, whether "advancing the ball past mid-court" meant you had to have possession. The NCAA apologized for missing the call. The SU player touched it past mid-court, so the 10 second clock should have reset.

(04-02-2016 11:01 AM)bullet Wrote:  Of course, the refs don't seem to know it too well. We were questioning the 10 second call on Gonzaga vs. Syracuse that gave the ball to SU in the last minute down 1, whether "advancing the ball past mid-court" meant you had to have possession. The NCAA apologized for missing the call. The SU player touched it past mid-court, so the 10 second clock should have reset.

They apologized, how quaint.

The NCAA got what they wanted out of that game.