(04-03-2016 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The study seemed to indicate that there would be a greater possibility for the Big 12 to get two schools into the CFP by playing only 8 conference games while being divided into two divisions and having the CFP.

In other words, the SEC broke the code on how to schedule.

Another thing the SEC figured out: play your home cupcake in November. That way, you have more meaningful games earlier than other leagues which helps in the rankings if you win them. And the cupcakes won't be held against you if they've come after you've proven yourself.

(04-03-2016 09:00 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Or JR, they go to 8 team National Championship playoff.

Don't hold your breath on that one Wilkie. None of the presidents are too keen on that concept. We are at 15 games for a conference championship now. If, and when, we move to 16 the round of 8 will be added within the conferences. The CFP will remain at 4.

(04-03-2016 09:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The study seemed to indicate that there would be a greater possibility for the Big 12 to get two schools into the CFP by playing only 8 conference games while being divided into two divisions and having the CFP.

In other words, the SEC broke the code on how to schedule.

Another thing the SEC figured out: play your home cupcake in November. That way, you have more meaningful games earlier than other leagues which helps in the rankings if you win them. And the cupcakes won't be held against you if they've come after you've proven yourself.

One of the cupcakes has been played late, or a bye week scheduled, for as long as I can remember. The always come before your biggest rivalry game. Auburn and Alabama have theirs prior to playing each other. That's nothing new. The simple reality is that about 10 to 11 SEC schools every year play another P5 OOC. The commissioner has asked that all do so but has given them some time to get there. That's 9 P5 games. It will move to 10, but only when the networks pay us for it. There aren't too many bargaining chips left on the table and each one will be sold dearly for more bumps in pay.

I don't know when it will come but eventually they'll all be P5 games. The 7th home game will be a preseason game held a week or two before the start of the current seasons and will be against FCS or FBS schools not in the P5, likely from the home state, and will serve as the 7th home game in the season books of all P5 schools. Dabo was the first to float this and it has merit. Plus it moves the start of practice closer to the season and gives the coaches and players a break in the Spring and allows for 2 sport athletes to compete in their second sport without football interference.

(04-03-2016 10:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 09:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The study seemed to indicate that there would be a greater possibility for the Big 12 to get two schools into the CFP by playing only 8 conference games while being divided into two divisions and having the CFP.

In other words, the SEC broke the code on how to schedule.

Another thing the SEC figured out: play your home cupcake in November. That way, you have more meaningful games earlier than other leagues which helps in the rankings if you win them. And the cupcakes won't be held against you if they've come after you've proven yourself.

One of the cupcakes has been played late, or a bye week scheduled, for as long as I can remember. The always come before your biggest rivalry game. Auburn and Alabama have theirs prior to playing each other. That's nothing new.

It's nothing new, but the point remains that it's advantageous to schedule that way, and the other P5 conferences ought to do something similar, in particular they all ought to play at least one conference game in mid-September.

(04-03-2016 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The study seemed to indicate that there would be a greater possibility for the Big 12 to get two schools into the CFP by playing only 7 or 8 conference games while being divided into two divisions and having the CFP. This certainly sounds like good news and the course to pursue. But it comes with some risk, but not the risk that many think. If the PAC and ACC are put into a position where it would seem more likely that they may more regularly be excluded from CFP money should the Big 12 truly find an advantage with a new model, then they will be much more likely to be willing to do what was necessary in concert with the Big 10 or SEC to make sure we move to a P4.

Why would the Big 10 and SEC care? They do what is good for themselves.

(04-03-2016 09:52 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 08:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The study seemed to indicate that there would be a greater possibility for the Big 12 to get two schools into the CFP by playing only 8 conference games while being divided into two divisions and having the CFP.

In other words, the SEC broke the code on how to schedule.

Another thing the SEC figured out: play your home cupcake in November. That way, you have more meaningful games earlier than other leagues which helps in the rankings if you win them. And the cupcakes won't be held against you if they've come after you've proven yourself.

I think the primary reason for that is to spread the cupcakes around so that you have decent TV games in September.

there is no reason for the Big XII to expand right now...they already play a round-robin schedule, so just add the title game to get the 20 million or so that comes with it, and get your 13th data point.

problem solved for a few years, then it'll be TV contract renegotiation time...

(04-03-2016 10:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 09:00 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Or JR, they go to 8 team National Championship playoff.

Don't hold your breath on that one Wilkie. None of the presidents are too keen on that concept. We are at 15 games for a conference championship now. If, and when, we move to 16 the round of 8 will be added within the conferences. The CFP will remain at 4.

I think you may see a 6 team playoff where the #1 and #2 seeds get a bye...but I think 6 would be as big as 'they' will let it get.

(04-03-2016 07:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 02:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Which is why the X factor here is NOT Ut but OU.

OU has enough desirability to be able to walk out on the Big 12 conference and isn't bound by anything more than the GOR.

Okie State's political power (or maybe just Boone Pickens' political power) is a much greater restriction on OU than the GOR.

As an Oklahoma native, I can tell you, that is not at all likely to happen. OSU will not hinder OU going it alone. I have posted the reasons for this several times on this board.

As far as OSU, Boren will sell it to the Lege that they TRIED to make the Big 12 work but were blocked at every turn and had no choice but to leave and how could the state of Oklahoma hold it's Flagship school back from the academic opportunity that is the B1G and CIC (note this is all politician speak, it doesn't have to be factual or accurate) just so that OSU can continue to play football in a certain conference.

IOW, how can you value the Okie State SPORTS program over Oklahoma ACADEMIC program!?!?

(04-04-2016 09:31 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 10:47 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 09:00 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Or JR, they go to 8 team National Championship playoff.

Don't hold your breath on that one Wilkie. None of the presidents are too keen on that concept. We are at 15 games for a conference championship now. If, and when, we move to 16 the round of 8 will be added within the conferences. The CFP will remain at 4.

I think you may see a 6 team playoff where the #1 and #2 seeds get a bye...but I think 6 would be as big as 'they' will let it get.

It will happen in steps 4 leads to 6. which leads to 8.

the Big 10 has never showed a bit of interest in OU I don't see why people think they would be a lock to get into the Big 10 if they wanted to

(04-04-2016 10:05 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the Big 10 has never showed a bit of interest in OU I don't see why people think they would be a lock to get into the Big 10 if they wanted to

OU just doesn't fit what the Big 10 is looking for. And they have a limited number of slots left. ADs have expressed a lot of skepticism of anything over 16.

Did the B1G show a lot of interest in Maryland or Rutgers before they pulled those triggers?

I must have missed it.

(04-04-2016 12:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Did the B1G show a lot of interest in Maryland or Rutgers before they pulled those triggers?

I must have missed it.

The Rutgers to Big Ten rumors had been going on for years prior to it actually happening. Maryland not so much.

Rumors by Rutgers and message board folks. The B1G never publically showed any interest in any of those teams which is why it was a shock when it happened.

These things are played pretty close to the vest for the most part

Eh, Joe Paterno was publicly calling for them to be added as early as 2009.

(04-04-2016 01:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Rumors by Rutgers and message board folks. The B1G never publically showed any interest in any of those teams which is why it was a shock when it happened.

These things are played pretty close to the vest for the most part

Pretty much surprises for Penn State and Nebraska, at least publicly. The Big 10 had been in talks with Maryland ever since Loh became president. When a big deal fell through for the ACC Maryland was out the door. I don't think the Big 10 expected fruit from the relationship as soon as it came. Rutgers was waiting in the wings for somebody to travel with. The ACC had passed them over and the SEC wasn't going to be a threat there so Delany could wait.

(04-04-2016 10:05 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the Big 10 has never showed a bit of interest in OU I don't see why people think they would be a lock to get into the Big 10 if they wanted to

Some of the sports nation media....i.e. CBS sports etc., reported a couple of years ago that the Big10 had vetted five schools and OU and Kansas were two of the five.

I think the Big 12 well expand. They need new media markets. Houston does not bring a new market. There are many schools that are in the big markets not in a P5 conference. Plus, you do have the one hot chick out there that fans are attracted to, and are willing to watch their games, and that is Boise State. When you are getting more viewers that the whole state of Idaho will get you more looks than you can. Imagine a Boise State/Oregon rematches every year? Imagine a Boise State/Oklahoma rematches? Those two games in the past that Boise State played were the most talked about, and still being talked about as the greatest upsets.