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#guysbetterthanKevinStallings

LOL, Herb Sendek has been trending backward though.

(03-28-2016 05:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  #guysbetterthanKevinStallings

Having lived in Nashville, and now Phoenix area, would rather have Stallings than Sendek.

He's backtracked so much, he might as well be Mike Davis, though Davis at least had one highly credible NCAA Tournament run, granted with Bob Knight's players.

Herb Sendek is a good coach wish ECU would hire him. The man gets fired for taking teams to the NCAA tournament do not really understand that. Arizona State and NC State both haven't done much since they fired him. He has been to the NIT or NCAA tournament 18 out of 22 seasons being a head coach. That is pretty good and way better then our current head coach Jeff Lebo. Sendek has just never put that run together to make a program keep him around.

I am also not sure about his recruiting, State fans seemed to complain about it but not sure if that was his fought or State fans be unrealistic (don't follow their program that close so not sure maybe someone Pack fan can answer)

(03-28-2016 06:57 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Herb Sendek is a good coach wish ECU would hire him. The man gets fired for taking teams to the NCAA tournament do not really understand that. Arizona State and NC State both haven't done much since they fired him. He has been to the NIT or NCAA tournament 18 out of 22 seasons being a head coach. That is pretty good and way better then our current head coach Jeff Lebo. Sendek has just never put that run together to make a program keep him around.

I am also not sure about his recruiting, State fans seemed to complain about it but not sure if that was his fought or State fans be unrealistic (don't follow their program that close so not sure maybe someone Pack fan can answer)

Yeah, I don't know what NCSU fans expect. I get that it is tough when you are directly in Duke and UNC's shadow, but Sendek took them to the NCAA in each of his last 5 years in Raleigh, and won a game in 4 of those 5 years. That's way better than Sidney Lowe did, and marginally better than Gottfried is currently doing.

Arizona State, sort of some transcendent talent, they will always be a 2nd-tier Pac-12 team.

Sendek --- I'll bet he finds his niche at Santa Clara, and gets them competitive in the WCC. And even if he doesn't, the South Bay is not a terrible place to live. Certainly many worse places to spend the twilight of his coaching career.

Actually, Arizona State is the one that should be a national power, I don't know what their problem is.

(03-28-2016 10:30 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 06:57 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Herb Sendek is a good coach wish ECU would hire him. The man gets fired for taking teams to the NCAA tournament do not really understand that. Arizona State and NC State both haven't done much since they fired him. He has been to the NIT or NCAA tournament 18 out of 22 seasons being a head coach. That is pretty good and way better then our current head coach Jeff Lebo. Sendek has just never put that run together to make a program keep him around.

I am also not sure about his recruiting, State fans seemed to complain about it but not sure if that was his fought or State fans be unrealistic (don't follow their program that close so not sure maybe someone Pack fan can answer)

Yeah, I don't know what NCSU fans expect. I get that it is tough when you are directly in Duke and UNC's shadow, but Sendek took them to the NCAA in each of his last 5 years in Raleigh, and won a game in 4 of those 5 years. That's way better than Sidney Lowe did, and marginally better than Gottfried is currently doing.

Arizona State, sort of some transcendent talent, they will always be a 2nd-tier Pac-12 team.

Sendek --- I'll bet he finds his niche at Santa Clara, and gets them competitive in the WCC. And even if he doesn't, the South Bay is not a terrible place to live. Certainly many worse places to spend the twilight of his coaching career.

Glad to see Santa Barbara has taken Mark Fews words to heart about the rest of the league getting it's act together. I think he can make a team in the WCC very competitive. It's already a 2-3 bid league most years. If they start stealing bids regularly it might become a 2-4 bid league.

Mark Few needs to pipe down. These are small religious schools that, if it weren't for college basketball, would never have been heard of by pretty much anyone outside the West Coast. Even Gonzaga is merely a Cinderella that has stayed long past midnight so to speak. Without creating a parallel conversation to another thread I started on this board, there's no reason any team in the WCC should be in the NCAA's yearly except BYU obviously.

That the WCC is placing 3 teams in the Dance regularly is impressive, it's historically a 1-bid league that draws a double digit seed. This may help turn the WCC into a legit parallel to the A-10 if one more school is an NCAA Tournament regular with that said.

The WCC places 3 teams in the dance regularly? How about 2x in the last 15 years. 2008 when San Diego stole a bid, and 2012 when BYU got in as the next to last team in. So it hardly places 3 in regularly.

Okay, it has 3 at-large contenders regularly, how's that? 3 different teams regularly make the field.

(03-28-2016 11:38 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Mark Few needs to pipe down. These are small religious schools that, if it weren't for college basketball, would never have been heard of by pretty much anyone outside the West Coast. Even Gonzaga is merely a Cinderella that has stayed long past midnight so to speak. Without creating a parallel conversation to another thread I started on this board, there's no reason any team in the WCC should be in the NCAA's yearly except BYU obviously.

That the WCC is placing 3 teams in the Dance regularly is impressive, it's historically a 1-bid league that draws a double digit seed. This may help turn the WCC into a legit parallel to the A-10 if one more school is an NCAA Tournament regular with that said.

Mark few needs to pipe down because his school is basically funding half the WCC?

(03-28-2016 10:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Actually, Arizona State is the one that should be a national power, I don't know what their problem is.

1) Football oriented school
2) U of A down the road

(03-29-2016 11:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Mark few needs to pipe down because his school is basically funding half the WCC?

Mark Few needs to pipe down and be realistic. Should Gregg Marshall be pissed the MVC isn't better than it is? Outside of BYU and, as long as Randy Bennett is there, SMC there isn't a single WCC school that should be competing for an at-large bid yearly. Not even, say, the AAC can even get mad about half the league not competing for at-large bids. The only reason tiny Gonzaga does is because he has built it into one that expects to.

Edit: I originally typed ACC but meant AAC above.

(03-29-2016 12:58 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 11:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Mark few needs to pipe down because his school is basically funding half the WCC?

Mark Few needs to pipe down and be realistic. Should Gregg Marshall be pissed the MVC isn't better than it is? Outside of BYU and, as long as Randy Bennett is there, SMC there isn't a single WCC school that should be competing for an at-large bid yearly. Not even, say, the AAC can even get mad about half the league not competing for at-large bids. The only reason tiny Gonzaga does is because he has built it into one that expects to.

Edit: I originally typed ACC but meant AAC above.

Well you clearly missed his point. He was talking about the other schools putting that money they get from Gonzagas NCAA credits into it's basketball programs and not use that money to fund their swimming programs. Pipe down and be realistic? A school shouldn't want it's other members to invest in it's athletics? The Big East is a conference of small Catholic schools too, should they pipe down and be realistic too? Hope for 2-3 bids every year and be happy about that? Same with the A-10 and all the other leagues. Should they just be realistic and let the P5 take all the bids and not even try? You sound very foolish because it seems Santa Clara heard him loud and clear.

Then Gonzaga needs to leave...oh wait, they can't unless they want to dip down to the skeleton WAC or the MWC throws everything off and becomes a hybrid (which is actually a really good idea). I'd imagine the bus and Hawai'i league Big West doesn't want them and maybe they can go to the Summit but realistically they're stuck. That means the other conference schools can fund their cash strapped athletic programs any way they want to.

And I say again, who else in the WCC is supposed to be good, outside the Big 3? St. Mary's has a great system and recruiter but won't always be good. BYU is a behemoth there as long as its football is independent, which can change any year now. Otherwise, no other school has showed a pulse since Paul Westphal was at Pepperdine. Maybe the Zags keep it going after Few leaves but they will, at best, be the flag bearer and that's it.

(03-29-2016 04:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Then Gonzaga needs to leave...oh wait, they can't unless they want to dip down to the skeleton WAC or the MWC throws everything off and becomes a hybrid (which is actually a really good idea). I'd imagine the bus and Hawai'i league Big West doesn't want them and maybe they can go to the Summit but realistically they're stuck. That means the other conference schools can fund their cash strapped athletic programs any way they want to.

And I say again, who else in the WCC is supposed to be good, outside the Big 3? St. Mary's has a great system and recruiter but won't always be good. BYU is a behemoth there as long as its football is independent, which can change any year now. Otherwise, no other school has showed a pulse since Paul Westphal was at Pepperdine. Maybe the Zags keep it going after Few leaves but they will, at best, be the flag bearer and that's it.

THATS HIS ENTIRE POINT!!! If they take that money Gonzaga is making FOR THEM and invest it back into their programs with better coaches and better facilities then they can be better than a conference with 4 teams with an RPI BELOW 200. You are really completely missing the point. God forbid a member of a conference wants it's fellow conference members to have a pulse.

(03-28-2016 10:30 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 06:57 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Herb Sendek is a good coach wish ECU would hire him. The man gets fired for taking teams to the NCAA tournament do not really understand that. Arizona State and NC State both haven't done much since they fired him. He has been to the NIT or NCAA tournament 18 out of 22 seasons being a head coach. That is pretty good and way better then our current head coach Jeff Lebo. Sendek has just never put that run together to make a program keep him around.

I am also not sure about his recruiting, State fans seemed to complain about it but not sure if that was his fought or State fans be unrealistic (don't follow their program that close so not sure maybe someone Pack fan can answer)

Yeah, I don't know what NCSU fans expect. I get that it is tough when you are directly in Duke and UNC's shadow, but Sendek took them to the NCAA in each of his last 5 years in Raleigh, and won a game in 4 of those 5 years. That's way better than Sidney Lowe did, and marginally better than Gottfried is currently doing.

Arizona State, sort of some transcendent talent, they will always be a 2nd-tier Pac-12 team.

Sendek --- I'll bet he finds his niche at Santa Clara, and gets them competitive in the WCC. And even if he doesn't, the South Bay is not a terrible place to live. Certainly many worse places to spend the twilight of his coaching career.

I like Sendek. NC State has an inferiority complex when it comes to those cheaters in Chapel Hill and fired Sendek for that very reason. I hope Sedek does well wherever he coaches.

As I've explained numerous times, the WCC might as well be the NEC, regardless of all of the historical on-court success. St. Mary's may as well be Mount St. Mary's. It's doing well to be a poor man's A-10 at the current moment. Most of the schools play at high school sized facilities. Even Gonzaga did before it hit the mainstream and even today plays at a nice and posh but still only 6.5k facility. Yes, even mighty Gonzaga is not on even terms when it comes to 1-and-1 series.

Three good teams have overshadowed what is otherwise a low level D-1 conference. It's come a long way though.