I WILL add this...

The local DA is a friend of mine here in California cow country and she spoke of high drug use (tweekers) among those working in the slaughter house... especially the ones who 'do the deed'. It takes someone able to completely disassociate themselves from their actions to do that day after day, dozens/hundreds? of times a day. That is a great profession for a sociopath... so yes, there is SOME abuse... but generally speaking it isn't going to be the ranchers... and it won't last long because any time spent abusing an animal is time wasted. Not that this makes it okay, just that it puts it in perspective.

(03-29-2016 11:12 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I WILL add this...

The local DA is a friend of mine here in California cow country and she spoke of high drug use (tweekers) among those working in the slaughter house... especially the ones who 'do the deed'. It takes someone able to completely disassociate themselves from their actions to do that day after day, dozens/hundreds? of times a day. That is a great profession for a sociopath... so yes, there is SOME abuse... but generally speaking it isn't going to be the ranchers... and it won't last long because any time spent abusing an animal is time wasted. Not that this makes it okay, just that it puts it in perspective.

wouldn't argue any of that....wouldn't surprise me et al....

'abusing' that which are grown only for fodder is beyond my comprehension of 'give a shite'....

(03-29-2016 12:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  if you worry about chickens or any of the bs....you're a lib.....and also, why even post if not political...

there is zero centrist in ya.....

I already explained that I'd post this on the Sports Bar if that board had any traffic. Given that this is the place I'm most likely to get a large response, I posted here though I supposed the football boards could have sufficed, as this is about pro sports.

(03-29-2016 06:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Sorted by relevance the first page contains one video less than two years old. Many of the videos include language like "may be painful" or "not meant to" designed to create feelings of sympathy and evoke an emotional rather than a logical response. Are there some cases of farms abusing animals? Of course, but it's not rampant abuse like groups such as peta and mercyforanimals and such would have you believe.

Do you honestly think factory farming methods have changed drastically in the last five years or so? If you find a 20 year old video, that's one thing but I don't understand why a video being two years old makes any difference to the conversation. And inherently by nature, animals are gonna be mishandled one way or another regardless of rules or regulations.

(03-29-2016 09:15 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 12:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  if you worry about chickens or any of the bs....you're a lib.....and also, why even post if not political...

there is zero centrist in ya.....

I already explained that I'd post this on the Sports Bar if that board had any traffic. Given that this is the place I'm most likely to get a large response, I posted here though I supposed the football boards could have sufficed, as this is about pro sports.

fair enough....let 'me' go...I already understood your narcissism....

I don't care...I'm gonna smoke some weed now....is that cool?

(03-29-2016 09:15 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 12:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  if you worry about chickens or any of the bs....you're a lib.....and also, why even post if not political...

there is zero centrist in ya.....

I already explained that I'd post this on the Sports Bar if that board had any traffic. Given that this is the place I'm most likely to get a large response, I posted here though I supposed the football boards could have sufficed, as this is about pro sports.

(03-29-2016 06:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Sorted by relevance the first page contains one video less than two years old. Many of the videos include language like "may be painful" or "not meant to" designed to create feelings of sympathy and evoke an emotional rather than a logical response. Are there some cases of farms abusing animals? Of course, but it's not rampant abuse like groups such as peta and mercyforanimals and such would have you believe.

And inherently by nature, animals are gonna be mishandled one way or another regardless of rules or regulations.

I take it you are a strict vegetarian then?

(03-29-2016 09:46 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 09:15 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-29-2016 12:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  if you worry about chickens or any of the bs....you're a lib.....and also, why even post if not political...

there is zero centrist in ya.....

I already explained that I'd post this on the Sports Bar if that board had any traffic. Given that this is the place I'm most likely to get a large response, I posted here though I supposed the football boards could have sufficed, as this is about pro sports.

(03-29-2016 06:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Sorted by relevance the first page contains one video less than two years old. Many of the videos include language like "may be painful" or "not meant to" designed to create feelings of sympathy and evoke an emotional rather than a logical response. Are there some cases of farms abusing animals? Of course, but it's not rampant abuse like groups such as peta and mercyforanimals and such would have you believe.

And inherently by nature, animals are gonna be mishandled one way or another regardless of rules or regulations.

I take it you are a strict vegetarian then?

...have no clue where his argument is at this point.....is a valid question....

Hell even in 3rd world countries people don't abuse animals, they neglect for sure. But starving animals on purpose is disgusting. Cody gets his day in court though.

(03-29-2016 09:46 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I take it you are a strict vegetarian then?

I used to be a step up...a vegan. It takes skill and strict discipline. You also need to do vitamin supplementation since there isn't as much nutrients in the soil as there used to be and it shows up in the food and drink plenty of clean and filtered water.

I was once a vegan to the highest magnitude I could afford for about 5 years off and on and it ended after I lost 80 pounds after doing it for 6 months uninterrupted and I nearly passed out at work. I say that to say I've made the effort and understand animals pain and suffering for sure.

(03-28-2016 04:09 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 02:20 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I think compassionate people view abusing pets, horses, livestock like they view abusing children, the elderly and the handicapped. Pets, children, the elderly and the handicapped are helpless and require care. And while compassionate people would unequivocally condemn all violence, the crimes of those who abuse those weaker groups are especially heinous because they are choosing to abuse those that can not defend themselves.

The killing of livestock raised for food has not part in the comparison because it is not abuse. Although compassionate people would advocate that the killing of livestock be done humanely and that the living conditions of livestock be humane.

This.
I'd also note I'm a softie when it comes to animals, and pets. Have a hard time watching the damn SPCA commercials when they show dogs and cats suffering.

This.

I have to turn the channel, or else I will be crying. Just heartbreaking. Any person who harms an innocent pet deserves every punishment.

My family raises beef cattle on our family. They are free range and grass fed and well treated. I believe that God placed animals on earth to be eaten but they must be treated humanely and when they have to be butchered, it is the quickest way possible.

(03-30-2016 09:26 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  My family raises beef cattle on our family.

Your family must have strong backs......

My cousin raised a few cows and a bull each year before sending them to the butcher. After a while, it wasn't worth the hassle for him any longer.

(03-30-2016 10:26 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-30-2016 09:26 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  My family raises beef cattle on our family.

Your family must have strong backs......

My cousin raised a few cows and a bull each year before sending them to the butcher. After a while, it wasn't worth the hassle for him any longer.

It is the English blood.

Forgot to proofread.

(03-30-2016 09:23 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I have to turn the channel, or else I will be crying.

Me too, but in fairness, my daughter's dog has those same eyes. You'd swear she beats him and never feeds him. He could make a fortune as an actor for those commercials.

(03-29-2016 11:12 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I WILL add this...

The local DA is a friend of mine here in California cow country and she spoke of high drug use (tweekers) among those working in the slaughter house... especially the ones who 'do the deed'. It takes someone able to completely disassociate themselves from their actions to do that day after day, dozens/hundreds? of times a day. That is a great profession for a sociopath... so yes, there is SOME abuse... but generally speaking it isn't going to be the ranchers... and it won't last long because any time spent abusing an animal is time wasted. Not that this makes it okay, just that it puts it in perspective.

I'll buy that.

I couldn't do that job I don't think.