"Vanderbilt coach Kevin Stallings, whose job security was in question with the Commodores, has agreed to a deal to replace Jamie Dixon at Pittsburgh."
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(03-27-2016 12:56 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Wade is from Nashville.

Richmond and Memphis have similar MSAs. VCU has a 50% larger student body. Don't know how the two economies compare? On the surface the only advantage Memphis has is the recruiting base.

Winning that occurred more than 5 years in the past means almost nothing in regards to future winning.

I hope you aren't serious. Before Shaka they had never won a 2nd round NCAA tournament game. They are 12-15 alltime in the tournament with every single win coming in the 1st Rd with the exception of 2011.

I think there would be some schools interested Josh for $750k to $1M but there's this 4 year contract for 2.65M a year that has to be worked out.

Add to that a 4 year downward trend at Memphis plus the fact that Pastner is kindof a weirdo and you get what we have now: zero interest.

The word is out about JP. It is what it is. He's probably going to get paid here for 2-3 more years and then he's likely done as a major DI head coach.

(03-27-2016 01:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 12:56 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Wade is from Nashville.

Richmond and Memphis have similar MSAs. VCU has a 50% larger student body. Don't know how the two economies compare? On the surface the only advantage Memphis has is the recruiting base.

Winning that occurred more than 5 years in the past means almost nothing in regards to future winning.

I hope you aren't serious.

Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 12:56 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Wade is from Nashville.

Richmond and Memphis have similar MSAs. VCU has a 50% larger student body. Don't know how the two economies compare? On the surface the only advantage Memphis has is the recruiting base.

Winning that occurred more than 5 years in the past means almost nothing in regards to future winning.

I hope you aren't serious.

Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

(03-27-2016 01:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I think there would be some schools interested Josh for $750k to $1M but there's this 4 year contract for 2.65M a year that has to be worked out.

Add to that a 4 year downward trend at Memphis plus the fact that Pastner is kindof a weirdo and you get what we have now: zero interest.

The word is out about JP. It is what it is. He's probably going to get paid here for 2-3 more years and then he's likely done as a major DI head coach.

The number of schools that can possibly compete with a 2.65 million salary is small. Even if a school were interested, Pastner's salary is so large it removes him for consideration by most schools. The handful of schools that can offer this type of salary for the most part already have coaches, and the few that need a coach aren't going after Pastner.

Both he and Memphis are stuck with one another, for the foreseeable future.

(03-27-2016 01:26 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I think there would be some schools interested Josh for $750k to $1M but there's this 4 year contract for 2.65M a year that has to be worked out.

Add to that a 4 year downward trend at Memphis plus the fact that Pastner is kindof a weirdo and you get what we have now: zero interest.

The word is out about JP. It is what it is. He's probably going to get paid here for 2-3 more years and then he's likely done as a major DI head coach.

The number of schools that can possibly compete with a 2.65 million salary is small. Even if a school were interested, Pastner's salary is so large it removes him for consideration by most schools. The handful of schools that can offer this type of salary for the most part already have coaches, and the few that need a coach aren't going after Pastner.

Both he and Memphis are stuck with one another, for the foreseeable future.

Try again

(03-27-2016 01:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 12:56 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Wade is from Nashville.

Richmond and Memphis have similar MSAs. VCU has a 50% larger student body. Don't know how the two economies compare? On the surface the only advantage Memphis has is the recruiting base.

Winning that occurred more than 5 years in the past means almost nothing in regards to future winning.

I hope you aren't serious.

Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

Who gives a rat's ass about top 50 programs? Recruits want to dance and go to the NBA, the play for a program that they think will get them there.

Coaches want pay and resources to allow them to be able to recruit the players to win.

Most of my life Oregon never really had good athletics. The state isn't that wealthy or populous and isn't a hotbed of recruiting for any sport that I'm aware of. Enter Phil Knight, and resources,

Memphis has had one traditional resource, a recruiting base. The city really only has one other local resource, FedEx, I can't imagine where the city would be without it. This resource is realitvely recent. The alumni base only has a couple of billionaires. It's not a state school like UT or UK, it is a city school whose influence doesn't cross the Tennessee river in the east.

(03-27-2016 01:30 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:26 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I think there would be some schools interested Josh for $750k to $1M but there's this 4 year contract for 2.65M a year that has to be worked out.

Add to that a 4 year downward trend at Memphis plus the fact that Pastner is kindof a weirdo and you get what we have now: zero interest.

The word is out about JP. It is what it is. He's probably going to get paid here for 2-3 more years and then he's likely done as a major DI head coach.

The number of schools that can possibly compete with a 2.65 million salary is small. Even if a school were interested, Pastner's salary is so large it removes him for consideration by most schools. The handful of schools that can offer this type of salary for the most part already have coaches, and the few that need a coach aren't going after Pastner.

Both he and Memphis are stuck with one another, for the foreseeable future.

Try again

His salary is too high to walk away from. He's not leaving for way less. He hasn't been successful enough for him to be considered for a job that has comparable pay, by your own admission. So list me a couple of schools that can pay a comparable salary, and have a coaching vacancy. Then from that small list of schools list me ONE that would hire Pastner away from Memphis.

Not going to happen. He is at Memphis until he is fired or until he wins pretty big. If he doesn't win pretty big no school that can pay a comparable salary will be interested.

The only other possible alternative is as an assistant in the pros.

(03-27-2016 01:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 12:56 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Wade is from Nashville.

Richmond and Memphis have similar MSAs. VCU has a 50% larger student body. Don't know how the two economies compare? On the surface the only advantage Memphis has is the recruiting base.

Winning that occurred more than 5 years in the past means almost nothing in regards to future winning.

I hope you aren't serious.

Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

Who gives a rat's ass about top 50 programs? Recruits want to dance and go to the NBA, the play for a program that they think will get them there.

Coaches want pay and resources to allow them to be able to recruit the players to win.

Most of my life Oregon never really had good athletics. The state isn't that wealthy or populous and isn't a hotbed of recruiting for any sport that I'm aware of. Enter Phil Knight, and resources,

Memphis has had one traditional resource, a recruiting base. The city really only has one other local resource, FedEx, I can't imagine where the city would be without it. This resource is realitvely recent. The alumni base only has a couple of billionaires. It's not a state school like UT or UK, it is a city school whose influence doesn't cross the Tennessee river in the east.

Typical Pastner supporter, when you are not throwing players you are putting down the program...SAD

(03-27-2016 02:11 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  I hope you aren't serious.

Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

Who gives a rat's ass about top 50 programs? Recruits want to dance and go to the NBA, the play for a program that they think will get them there.

Coaches want pay and resources to allow them to be able to recruit the players to win.

Most of my life Oregon never really had good athletics. The state isn't that wealthy or populous and isn't a hotbed of recruiting for any sport that I'm aware of. Enter Phil Knight, and resources,

Memphis has had one traditional resource, a recruiting base. The city really only has one other local resource, FedEx, I can't imagine where the city would be without it. This resource is realitvely recent. The alumni base only has a couple of billionaires. It's not a state school like UT or UK, it is a city school whose influence doesn't cross the Tennessee river in the east.

Typical Pastner supporter, when you are not throwing players you are putting down the program...SAD

Has nothing to do with Pastner.

Has to do with resources.

(03-27-2016 02:57 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 02:11 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

Who gives a rat's ass about top 50 programs? Recruits want to dance and go to the NBA, the play for a program that they think will get them there.

Coaches want pay and resources to allow them to be able to recruit the players to win.

Most of my life Oregon never really had good athletics. The state isn't that wealthy or populous and isn't a hotbed of recruiting for any sport that I'm aware of. Enter Phil Knight, and resources,

Memphis has had one traditional resource, a recruiting base. The city really only has one other local resource, FedEx, I can't imagine where the city would be without it. This resource is realitvely recent. The alumni base only has a couple of billionaires. It's not a state school like UT or UK, it is a city school whose influence doesn't cross the Tennessee river in the east.

Typical Pastner supporter, when you are not throwing players you are putting down the program...SAD

Has nothing to do with Pastner.

Has to do with resources.

Wut. VCU has a total athletic budget that is less than half of ours. They can't get close to us on a recruiting basis. Corporate support is LOL. They are ranked #53 alltime as a program compared to our #19. They play in a 7k seat arena to our 18k. You seriously think our programs are even remotely comparable? They have 1 freaking RD32 win EVER. We might as well be UT Martin to you...

Stallings is a total bum - leaves a crap conference with a losing record. Smh...

(03-27-2016 02:57 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 02:11 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:46 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

Who gives a rat's ass about top 50 programs? Recruits want to dance and go to the NBA, the play for a program that they think will get them there.

Coaches want pay and resources to allow them to be able to recruit the players to win.

Most of my life Oregon never really had good athletics. The state isn't that wealthy or populous and isn't a hotbed of recruiting for any sport that I'm aware of. Enter Phil Knight, and resources,

Memphis has had one traditional resource, a recruiting base. The city really only has one other local resource, FedEx, I can't imagine where the city would be without it. This resource is realitvely recent. The alumni base only has a couple of billionaires. It's not a state school like UT or UK, it is a city school whose influence doesn't cross the Tennessee river in the east.

Typical Pastner supporter, when you are not throwing players you are putting down the program...SAD

Has nothing to do with Pastner.

Has to do with resources.

Try looking at our facilities - and the upcoming plans. Look at our staff salaries. Look at the program budget. Then talk to us about resources. Get real.

(03-27-2016 01:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 12:56 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Wade is from Nashville.

Richmond and Memphis have similar MSAs. VCU has a 50% larger student body. Don't know how the two economies compare? On the surface the only advantage Memphis has is the recruiting base.

Winning that occurred more than 5 years in the past means almost nothing in regards to future winning.

I hope you aren't serious.

Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

If Vandy can poach VCU, Memphis can any day of the week.

(03-28-2016 09:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:21 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:18 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 01:02 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-27-2016 12:56 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Wade is from Nashville.

Richmond and Memphis have similar MSAs. VCU has a 50% larger student body. Don't know how the two economies compare? On the surface the only advantage Memphis has is the recruiting base.

Winning that occurred more than 5 years in the past means almost nothing in regards to future winning.

I hope you aren't serious.

Dead serious, wins that occurred when a recruit was in 6th grade is ancient times to them. I was talking to a young basketball fan of about 18 from Virginia, he didn't even know who Penny Hardaway was. When I mentioned little Penny, he thought he remembered a commercial.

Some don't know that Cal coached at Memphis. Their frame of reference is too short. Maybe a kid from Memphis knows a little further back, but not much. Clean Gene and Kirk, are a matter for archeologists.

VCU isn't even a Top50 alltime program. Memphis could poach VCU any day of the week with the exception of a blueblood coach like Shaka.

If Vandy can poach VCU, Memphis can any day of the week.

Wade is from Nashville. Vandy has a ton of $ and is in an easy to win P5 conference - easy recruiting pitch ...

Memphis is a better program, no doubt...but I think a lot of posters here look through blue glasses some times and can't be realistic when discussing different programs.