(03-26-2016 12:59 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Tulane definitely deserves credit for thinking outside the box and bringing in a new and fresh, yet experienced, voice. However, I'm not sure you can classify this as a "slam-dunk." .....

Everyone was excited at Rutgers when they hired Eddie Jordan, who - like Dunleavy - brought NBA credentials and experience. ....

Dunleavy's hire is also nothing like that of Larry Brown or Kelvin Sampson, both of whom were proven winners in college (albeit in the controversial way) but also brought NBA experience and exposure. I think there was also a reason that Dunleavy hasn't been coaching for nearly six years (since 2010). He was never going to get another NBA head coaching job, and this was likely his last opportunity to get a position like this.

I think Dunleavy or the equivalent was the absolute highest-profile guy who would come to a Tulane. Yes they have and spend money (and yes they have all the awesomeness) but recruting Louisiana is not the same lure as recruiting DFW. Sure it might flop like Eddie Jordan, but it's not like Tulane could lure a winning-er NBA coach.

(03-26-2016 01:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  It's a much more sound choice than Chris Mullins (sp on purpose) who just brought a name. That was the epitome of outside the box.

Er, no. He was an EVP-basketball operations for the Warriors, he was a talent evaluator and director-of-scouting for the Kings. He's not just a Clyde Drexler nostalgia hire. And he's rebuilt bridges with the New York high school coaching fraternity, where he has tremendous credibility.

I'll say, if Chris Mullin can't bring St John's back to respectability, I'm not sure we're a major program anymore.

(03-26-2016 04:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Dunleavy or the equivalent was the absolute highest-profile guy who would come to a Tulane. Yes they have and spend money (and yes they have all the awesomeness) but recruting Louisiana is not the same lure as recruiting DFW. Sure it might flop like Eddie Jordan, but it's not like Tulane could lure a winning-er NBA coach.

You probably would have said the same thing about Larry Brown, and he's built SMU into a legit contender.

(03-26-2016 01:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Er, no. He was an EVP-basketball operations for the Warriors, he was a talent evaluator and director-of-scouting for the Kings. He's not just a Clyde Drexler nostalgia hire. And he's rebuilt bridges with the New York high school coaching fraternity, where he has tremendous credibility.

I'll say, if Chris Mullin can't bring St John's back to respectability, I'm not sure we're a major program anymore.

Just sayin... Mullins is an NBA guy. St Johns took a huge leap of faith that he could coach.
Dunleavy has no questions in that department. He also helps sell the conference because his coaching credentials are legit.

Otoh, Mullins (to this point) is a curiosity. Don't take that the wrong way, DePaul didn't even hire a curiosity.

big difference coaching in the pros and college though. Brown had coached in college before- so a big difference there....

and yes, there's still a lot of questions about Mullin.

(03-26-2016 05:29 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Dunleavy or the equivalent was the absolute highest-profile guy who would come to a Tulane. Yes they have and spend money (and yes they have all the awesomeness) but recruting Louisiana is not the same lure as recruiting DFW. Sure it might flop like Eddie Jordan, but it's not like Tulane could lure a winning-er NBA coach.

You probably would have said the same thing about Larry Brown, and he's built SMU into a legit contender.

LArry Brown is a top-notch coach if you leave out his NBA resume. Final Four at UCLA, Danny and the Miracles. Larry Brown signed on to SMU, which is A) in DFW and B) was on deck for the Big East. Tulane doesn't have that.

(03-26-2016 01:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Er, no. He was an EVP-basketball operations for the Warriors, he was a talent evaluator and director-of-scouting for the Kings. He's not just a Clyde Drexler nostalgia hire. And he's rebuilt bridges with the New York high school coaching fraternity, where he has tremendous credibility.

I'll say, if Chris Mullin can't bring St John's back to respectability, I'm not sure we're a major program anymore.

Just sayin... Mullins is an NBA guy. St Johns took a huge leap of faith that he could coach.
Dunleavy has no questions in that department. He also helps sell the conference because his coaching credentials are legit.

Otoh, Mullins (to this point) is a curiosity. Don't take that the wrong way, DePaul didn't even hire a curiosity.
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Dunleavy is an average NBA coach, who may or may not be able to coach at the college level.

If Chris Mullin can't build a program on the high school talent in NYC, I don't think anybody can, and St Johns will not return to prominence.

Dunleavy has a 38-33 record in NBA playoff games. Conroy couldn't break .500 at Tulane with a soft non-conference slate.

There is no way possible that Dunleavy doesn't take the program forward. They've already hit rock bottom.

I'll say one thing. Tulane's hire of Dunleavy is better than Pitt getting Stallings :)

(03-27-2016 12:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'll say one thing. Tulane's hire of Dunleavy is better than Pitt getting Stallings :)

This is very true.

And funny.

Yeah, AAC lightweights are pulling great hires while Pitt is settling for sloppy seconds. I'm not trying to talk smack but, wow, this is amazing.

I think this is a good hire by Tulane.

(03-26-2016 05:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 05:29 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Dunleavy or the equivalent was the absolute highest-profile guy who would come to a Tulane. Yes they have and spend money (and yes they have all the awesomeness) but recruting Louisiana is not the same lure as recruiting DFW. Sure it might flop like Eddie Jordan, but it's not like Tulane could lure a winning-er NBA coach.

You probably would have said the same thing about Larry Brown, and he's built SMU into a legit contender.

LArry Brown is a top-notch coach if you leave out his NBA resume. Final Four at UCLA, Danny and the Miracles. Larry Brown signed on to SMU, which is A) in DFW and B) was on deck for the Big East. Tulane doesn't have that.

(03-26-2016 01:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Er, no. He was an EVP-basketball operations for the Warriors, he was a talent evaluator and director-of-scouting for the Kings. He's not just a Clyde Drexler nostalgia hire. And he's rebuilt bridges with the New York high school coaching fraternity, where he has tremendous credibility.

I'll say, if Chris Mullin can't bring St John's back to respectability, I'm not sure we're a major program anymore.

Just sayin... Mullins is an NBA guy. St Johns took a huge leap of faith that he could coach.
Dunleavy has no questions in that department. He also helps sell the conference because his coaching credentials are legit.

Otoh, Mullins (to this point) is a curiosity. Don't take that the wrong way, DePaul didn't even hire a curiosity.

Dunleavy is an average NBA coach, who may or may not be able to coach at the college level.

If Chris Mullin can't build a program on the high school talent in NYC, I don't think anybody can, and St Johns will not return to prominence.
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Are we ignoring Brown's NBA Championship and an additional Finals appearance?

(03-27-2016 06:14 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I think this is a good hire by Tulane.

That's the consensus.

(03-27-2016 09:42 PM)PGEMF Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 05:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 05:29 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-26-2016 04:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Dunleavy or the equivalent was the absolute highest-profile guy who would come to a Tulane. Yes they have and spend money (and yes they have all the awesomeness) but recruting Louisiana is not the same lure as recruiting DFW. Sure it might flop like Eddie Jordan, but it's not like Tulane could lure a winning-er NBA coach.

You probably would have said the same thing about Larry Brown, and he's built SMU into a legit contender.

LArry Brown is a top-notch coach if you leave out his NBA resume. Final Four at UCLA, Danny and the Miracles. Larry Brown signed on to SMU, which is A) in DFW and B) was on deck for the Big East. Tulane doesn't have that.

(03-26-2016 01:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Er, no. He was an EVP-basketball operations for the Warriors, he was a talent evaluator and director-of-scouting for the Kings. He's not just a Clyde Drexler nostalgia hire. And he's rebuilt bridges with the New York high school coaching fraternity, where he has tremendous credibility.

I'll say, if Chris Mullin can't bring St John's back to respectability, I'm not sure we're a major program anymore.

Just sayin... Mullins is an NBA guy. St Johns took a huge leap of faith that he could coach.
Dunleavy has no questions in that department. He also helps sell the conference because his coaching credentials are legit.

Otoh, Mullins (to this point) is a curiosity. Don't take that the wrong way, DePaul didn't even hire a curiosity.

Dunleavy is an average NBA coach, who may or may not be able to coach at the college level.

If Chris Mullin can't build a program on the high school talent in NYC, I don't think anybody can, and St Johns will not return to prominence.

Are we ignoring Brown's NBA Championship and an additional Finals appearance?
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Sort of. Brown has a great coaching resume, even if you leave out everything he did in the NBA. So he's not in the Eddie Jordan/Mike Dunleavy "Average to mediocre NBA coach who may or may not succeed in college" category.

I will have to root for Tulane basketball a bit now that they have hired my "cousin". :)