Men, yes. The women actually have a national championship.

(03-26-2016 02:25 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Men, yes. The women actually have a national championship.

I was just making a silly "sub-par" pun bud. And yes, Miss Nancy Lopez was a Tulsa alum if I am correct?

Just passing along info here. This is from the TulsaWorld website today:

On Thursday, the University of Tulsa announced it is eliminating the men's golf program as the result of budget cuts within the athletic department. Among the six members of the team is Francisco Yanez, a sophomore from Santiago, Chile.

Below is a letter submitted by Yanez to the Tulsa World on Friday:

Yesterday, as most of you know, my teammates and I were informed of the termination of the University of Tulsa Men's Golf Program. This program has been one of the most successful programs at TU with 10 NCAA National appearances, 23 NCAA Regional appearances, and 10 conference titles. In addition, it has created numerous student-athletes who have turned out to have successful careers and become important contributors to the City of Tulsa. It is a program that gave pride to this city, which is extremely supportive of golf. The support this program had received from TU Alumni, Country Clubs, and the city in general, surprised me since the first day I arrived to Tulsa.

In a moment where the whole city is being affected by dropping oil prices, it is understandable that certain financial adjustments need to be made. However, our athletic director, Dr. Derrick Gragg and our board of trustees, the same who have increased salary expenses by more than a million dollars for our football and basketball program, and spent millions of dollars in improvements in basketball locker room facility, did not take into consideration what the golf programs give back to the school and to the city.

Derrick Gragg, on eliminating TU Men’s Golf said, "This is the last thing you want to do". I would like to ask him and the university administration, why other solutions weren’t looked into before taking this action. Neither Coach Brogden, who built this program for more than 30 years, or the amazing golf alumni that have always given support were asked for help in finding a solution to this problem.

Without looking for other solutions, university administrators frustrate the dreams of my teammates and I, but most importantly they didn’t respect what this program means for former players and alumni. This administration loses credibility, by taking the easiest way out of the problem without looking for alternatives.

Great institutions defend their values, fight for their students’ dreams, and fulfill their commitments to become even greater in the future.

Secondly, financially speaking this decision does not make much sense. Our program, which is the cheapest in athletics, has a budget of less than 300,000 dollars. In the last 30 years, the team has been composed on average of 8 members, with all of them on partial scholarship. Therefore, these student-athletes are paying thousands of dollars to the school for their education. In dollar quantity, the money that students pay the university for their tuition is about the same as the money that athletics designates to the golf budget. Essentially, these students have been funding their own program. With this decision, the university will be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition income, with only marginal dollar savings in their athletic budget.

In one of my classes, Dr. Gragg told me that his career as an athletic director will only be judged based on whom he hired as a football and basketball coach. I guess with statements like this, it is possible to see how this decision did not mean much to him. Despite all the beautiful words he said yesterday to thank Coach Brogden, the truth is that he barely ever talked personally to him.

Coach Brogden was certainly not informed that this decision was coming up. Dr. Gragg only informed him a few minutes before meeting with us about the termination of the program. It is hard to understand how someone who has dedicated his life to the University of Tulsa and this program was never consulted for help to determine the future of the program.


In my 3 years at the University of Tulsa, I had become an extremely proud student. However, due to the decision of a few administrators, I can't respect the university as I did before. I am certain that with the amazing and supportive alumni our team has, the sport will be back in the near future. However, the lack of professionalism of the athletic director and the ones involved in this decision will leave a permanent black shadow over this program.

To conclude, I don't have anything else say than to thank my coach, my teammates, school staff and everyone that has supported this program, including alumni, donors and golf clubs. These people embrace the true Golden Hurricane spirit.

Francisco Yanez

Current University of Tulsa Men’s Golf Member

Kelly Hines 918-581-8452

kelly.hines@tulsaworld.com

(03-28-2016 10:11 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  Just passing along info here. This is from the TulsaWorld website today:

On Thursday, the University of Tulsa announced it is eliminating the men's golf program as the result of budget cuts within the athletic department. Among the six members of the team is Francisco Yanez, a sophomore from Santiago, Chile.

Below is a letter submitted by Yanez to the Tulsa World on Friday:

Yesterday, as most of you know, my teammates and I were informed of the termination of the University of Tulsa Men's Golf Program. This program has been one of the most successful programs at TU with 10 NCAA National appearances, 23 NCAA Regional appearances, and 10 conference titles. In addition, it has created numerous student-athletes who have turned out to have successful careers and become important contributors to the City of Tulsa. It is a program that gave pride to this city, which is extremely supportive of golf. The support this program had received from TU Alumni, Country Clubs, and the city in general, surprised me since the first day I arrived to Tulsa.

In a moment where the whole city is being affected by dropping oil prices, it is understandable that certain financial adjustments need to be made. However, our athletic director, Dr. Derrick Gragg and our board of trustees, the same who have increased salary expenses by more than a million dollars for our football and basketball program, and spent millions of dollars in improvements in basketball locker room facility, did not take into consideration what the golf programs give back to the school and to the city.

Derrick Gragg, on eliminating TU Men’s Golf said, "This is the last thing you want to do". I would like to ask him and the university administration, why other solutions weren’t looked into before taking this action. Neither Coach Brogden, who built this program for more than 30 years, or the amazing golf alumni that have always given support were asked for help in finding a solution to this problem.

Without looking for other solutions, university administrators frustrate the dreams of my teammates and I, but most importantly they didn’t respect what this program means for former players and alumni. This administration loses credibility, by taking the easiest way out of the problem without looking for alternatives.

Great institutions defend their values, fight for their students’ dreams, and fulfill their commitments to become even greater in the future.

Secondly, financially speaking this decision does not make much sense. Our program, which is the cheapest in athletics, has a budget of less than 300,000 dollars. In the last 30 years, the team has been composed on average of 8 members, with all of them on partial scholarship. Therefore, these student-athletes are paying thousands of dollars to the school for their education. In dollar quantity, the money that students pay the university for their tuition is about the same as the money that athletics designates to the golf budget. Essentially, these students have been funding their own program. With this decision, the university will be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition income, with only marginal dollar savings in their athletic budget.

In one of my classes, Dr. Gragg told me that his career as an athletic director will only be judged based on whom he hired as a football and basketball coach. I guess with statements like this, it is possible to see how this decision did not mean much to him. Despite all the beautiful words he said yesterday to thank Coach Brogden, the truth is that he barely ever talked personally to him.

Coach Brogden was certainly not informed that this decision was coming up. Dr. Gragg only informed him a few minutes before meeting with us about the termination of the program. It is hard to understand how someone who has dedicated his life to the University of Tulsa and this program was never consulted for help to determine the future of the program.


In my 3 years at the University of Tulsa, I had become an extremely proud student. However, due to the decision of a few administrators, I can't respect the university as I did before. I am certain that with the amazing and supportive alumni our team has, the sport will be back in the near future. However, the lack of professionalism of the athletic director and the ones involved in this decision will leave a permanent black shadow over this program.

To conclude, I don't have anything else say than to thank my coach, my teammates, school staff and everyone that has supported this program, including alumni, donors and golf clubs. These people embrace the true Golden Hurricane spirit.

Francisco Yanez

Current University of Tulsa Men’s Golf Member

Kelly Hines 918-581-8452

kelly.hines@tulsaworld.com

The gored ox always complains. I understand his personal feelings, since it has impacted him personally, but he does not sit in the AD's chair and have to make difficult decisions along with the Board of Trustees. I am sure these individuals see the big picture and did their due diligence, before making this decision.

(03-28-2016 10:46 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 10:11 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  Just passing along info here. This is from the TulsaWorld website today:

On Thursday, the University of Tulsa announced it is eliminating the men's golf program as the result of budget cuts within the athletic department. Among the six members of the team is Francisco Yanez, a sophomore from Santiago, Chile.

Below is a letter submitted by Yanez to the Tulsa World on Friday:

Yesterday, as most of you know, my teammates and I were informed of the termination of the University of Tulsa Men's Golf Program. This program has been one of the most successful programs at TU with 10 NCAA National appearances, 23 NCAA Regional appearances, and 10 conference titles. In addition, it has created numerous student-athletes who have turned out to have successful careers and become important contributors to the City of Tulsa. It is a program that gave pride to this city, which is extremely supportive of golf. The support this program had received from TU Alumni, Country Clubs, and the city in general, surprised me since the first day I arrived to Tulsa.

In a moment where the whole city is being affected by dropping oil prices, it is understandable that certain financial adjustments need to be made. However, our athletic director, Dr. Derrick Gragg and our board of trustees, the same who have increased salary expenses by more than a million dollars for our football and basketball program, and spent millions of dollars in improvements in basketball locker room facility, did not take into consideration what the golf programs give back to the school and to the city.

Derrick Gragg, on eliminating TU Men’s Golf said, "This is the last thing you want to do". I would like to ask him and the university administration, why other solutions weren’t looked into before taking this action. Neither Coach Brogden, who built this program for more than 30 years, or the amazing golf alumni that have always given support were asked for help in finding a solution to this problem.

Without looking for other solutions, university administrators frustrate the dreams of my teammates and I, but most importantly they didn’t respect what this program means for former players and alumni. This administration loses credibility, by taking the easiest way out of the problem without looking for alternatives.

Great institutions defend their values, fight for their students’ dreams, and fulfill their commitments to become even greater in the future.

Secondly, financially speaking this decision does not make much sense. Our program, which is the cheapest in athletics, has a budget of less than 300,000 dollars. In the last 30 years, the team has been composed on average of 8 members, with all of them on partial scholarship. Therefore, these student-athletes are paying thousands of dollars to the school for their education. In dollar quantity, the money that students pay the university for their tuition is about the same as the money that athletics designates to the golf budget. Essentially, these students have been funding their own program. With this decision, the university will be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition income, with only marginal dollar savings in their athletic budget.

In one of my classes, Dr. Gragg told me that his career as an athletic director will only be judged based on whom he hired as a football and basketball coach. I guess with statements like this, it is possible to see how this decision did not mean much to him. Despite all the beautiful words he said yesterday to thank Coach Brogden, the truth is that he barely ever talked personally to him.

Coach Brogden was certainly not informed that this decision was coming up. Dr. Gragg only informed him a few minutes before meeting with us about the termination of the program. It is hard to understand how someone who has dedicated his life to the University of Tulsa and this program was never consulted for help to determine the future of the program.


In my 3 years at the University of Tulsa, I had become an extremely proud student. However, due to the decision of a few administrators, I can't respect the university as I did before. I am certain that with the amazing and supportive alumni our team has, the sport will be back in the near future. However, the lack of professionalism of the athletic director and the ones involved in this decision will leave a permanent black shadow over this program.

To conclude, I don't have anything else say than to thank my coach, my teammates, school staff and everyone that has supported this program, including alumni, donors and golf clubs. These people embrace the true Golden Hurricane spirit.

Francisco Yanez

Current University of Tulsa Men’s Golf Member

Kelly Hines 918-581-8452

kelly.hines@tulsaworld.com

The gored ox always complains. I understand his personal feelings, since it has impacted him personally, but he does not sit in the AD's chair and have to make difficult decisions along with the Board of Trustees. I am sure these individuals see the big picture and did their due diligence, before making this decision.

True, but he makes a good point. If the students are all partial scholarship athletes (which means each still pays a significant sum to the University each semester) and the golf budget is only $300K, then the net effect of the elimination of the golf team on the actual net cost to the University probably approaches zero. Not really worth the black eye for so little actual cost savings. That said, the funds these kids send the university for tuition probably doesn't affect the accounting for an AD---thus, its just a $300K expense on his athletic budget. Frankly, the truth is, there is a lot of voodoo economics on how athletic budgets are developed and the costs that the schools allocate to those departments. Its not standardized. Every schools is different. A 40 million dollar budget in one place could be the effectively the same as a 20 million dollar budget at another school depending on how they each account for allocated costs, scholarships, building use, etc.

(03-28-2016 11:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 10:46 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 10:11 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  Just passing along info here. This is from the TulsaWorld website today:

On Thursday, the University of Tulsa announced it is eliminating the men's golf program as the result of budget cuts within the athletic department. Among the six members of the team is Francisco Yanez, a sophomore from Santiago, Chile.

Below is a letter submitted by Yanez to the Tulsa World on Friday:

Yesterday, as most of you know, my teammates and I were informed of the termination of the University of Tulsa Men's Golf Program. This program has been one of the most successful programs at TU with 10 NCAA National appearances, 23 NCAA Regional appearances, and 10 conference titles. In addition, it has created numerous student-athletes who have turned out to have successful careers and become important contributors to the City of Tulsa. It is a program that gave pride to this city, which is extremely supportive of golf. The support this program had received from TU Alumni, Country Clubs, and the city in general, surprised me since the first day I arrived to Tulsa.

In a moment where the whole city is being affected by dropping oil prices, it is understandable that certain financial adjustments need to be made. However, our athletic director, Dr. Derrick Gragg and our board of trustees, the same who have increased salary expenses by more than a million dollars for our football and basketball program, and spent millions of dollars in improvements in basketball locker room facility, did not take into consideration what the golf programs give back to the school and to the city.

Derrick Gragg, on eliminating TU Men’s Golf said, "This is the last thing you want to do". I would like to ask him and the university administration, why other solutions weren’t looked into before taking this action. Neither Coach Brogden, who built this program for more than 30 years, or the amazing golf alumni that have always given support were asked for help in finding a solution to this problem.

Without looking for other solutions, university administrators frustrate the dreams of my teammates and I, but most importantly they didn’t respect what this program means for former players and alumni. This administration loses credibility, by taking the easiest way out of the problem without looking for alternatives.

Great institutions defend their values, fight for their students’ dreams, and fulfill their commitments to become even greater in the future.

Secondly, financially speaking this decision does not make much sense. Our program, which is the cheapest in athletics, has a budget of less than 300,000 dollars. In the last 30 years, the team has been composed on average of 8 members, with all of them on partial scholarship. Therefore, these student-athletes are paying thousands of dollars to the school for their education. In dollar quantity, the money that students pay the university for their tuition is about the same as the money that athletics designates to the golf budget. Essentially, these students have been funding their own program. With this decision, the university will be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition income, with only marginal dollar savings in their athletic budget.

In one of my classes, Dr. Gragg told me that his career as an athletic director will only be judged based on whom he hired as a football and basketball coach. I guess with statements like this, it is possible to see how this decision did not mean much to him. Despite all the beautiful words he said yesterday to thank Coach Brogden, the truth is that he barely ever talked personally to him.

Coach Brogden was certainly not informed that this decision was coming up. Dr. Gragg only informed him a few minutes before meeting with us about the termination of the program. It is hard to understand how someone who has dedicated his life to the University of Tulsa and this program was never consulted for help to determine the future of the program.


In my 3 years at the University of Tulsa, I had become an extremely proud student. However, due to the decision of a few administrators, I can't respect the university as I did before. I am certain that with the amazing and supportive alumni our team has, the sport will be back in the near future. However, the lack of professionalism of the athletic director and the ones involved in this decision will leave a permanent black shadow over this program.

To conclude, I don't have anything else say than to thank my coach, my teammates, school staff and everyone that has supported this program, including alumni, donors and golf clubs. These people embrace the true Golden Hurricane spirit.

Francisco Yanez

Current University of Tulsa Men’s Golf Member

Kelly Hines 918-581-8452

kelly.hines@tulsaworld.com

The gored ox always complains. I understand his personal feelings, since it has impacted him personally, but he does not sit in the AD's chair and have to make difficult decisions along with the Board of Trustees. I am sure these individuals see the big picture and did their due diligence, before making this decision.

True, but he makes a good point. If the students are all partial scholarship athletes (which means each still pays a significant sum to the University each semester) and the golf budget is only $300K, then the net effect of the elimination of the golf team on the actual net cost to the University probably approaches zero. Not really worth the black eye for so little actual cost savings. That said, the funds these kids send the university for tuition probably doesn't affect the accounting for an AD---thus, its just a $300K expense on his athletic budget. Frankly, the truth is, there is a lot of voodoo economics on how athletic budgets are developed and the costs that the schools allocate to those departments. Its not standardized. Every schools is different. A 40 million dollar budget in one place could be the effectively the same as a 20 million dollar budget at another school depending on how they each account for allocated costs, scholarships, building use, etc.

Agreed, however we do not know if the writer is correct in his statements or there may be other details he may not even be aware of, such as insurance, travel costs etc. For example he says the
University did not seek other solutions. How does he know that. Also, there is the Title IX issue i.e., women's scholarships can now be reduced.

I tend to go with the people who have all the facts and have responsibility for the overall program.