(03-23-2016 09:04 AM)gsu95 Wrote: So let's do what terrorists want us to do and start persecuting everybody who doesn't swear allegience to honky Jesus and Western capitalism. That only makes them right.
Allegiance*
Despite trading blows with the Japanese in WWII, it seems as if we have accepted them just fine. Their lack of piety and eastern values doesn't always coincide with ours, either.
This is about militant Islam, not about non-western thought.
(03-23-2016 10:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: Yes but in a poll conducted by al Jazzera, 81% of 38,000 Muslims polled, support ISIS.
I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
FYI, not sure if Poe's law applies to your post or not.
I think that's the "elephant in the room" that no one wants to talk about. Is just how sympathetic is the average muslim to the radical muslim? After seeing some polls similar to this where they asked Muslims if executions (ie bombings) were warranted I was surprised by how many showed sympathetic leanings toward the radical sect.
It's the ideology. Many wouldn't agree to fight and do think it's wrong, but the ideology forces many into acceptance or silent consent.
(03-23-2016 09:04 AM)gsu95 Wrote: So let's do what terrorists want us to do and start persecuting everybody who doesn't swear allegience to honky Jesus and Western capitalism. That only makes them right.
Nobody is calling for what you are suggesting. Even if they were, it wouldn't make the terrorists 'right'.
Let's see if you can understand a fairly simple principle of what these terrorists are trying to accomplish. They want you dead. Do you understand that fact? You go to a territory run by any of the various muslim terrorist groups and you have a very good chance of being killed. You stay over here and they will try to infiltrate everyday life and randomly kill as many people as they can. There is no coexisting with other religions, and they view atheists as harshly or perhaps even more so than Christians in some cases.
Nothing the US or any other country or religion does would make them 'right'.
(03-23-2016 09:04 AM)gsu95 Wrote: So let's do what terrorists want us to do and start persecuting everybody who doesn't swear allegience to honky Jesus and Western capitalism. That only makes them right.
Nobody is calling for what you are suggesting. Even if they were, it wouldn't make the terrorists 'right'.
Let's see if you can understand a fairly simple principle of what these terrorists are trying to accomplish. They want you dead. Do you understand that fact? You go to a territory run by any of the various muslim terrorist groups and you have a very good chance of being killed. You stay over here and they will try to infiltrate everyday life and randomly kill as many people as they can. There is no coexisting with other religions, and they view atheists as harshly or perhaps even more so than Christians in some cases.
Nothing the US or any other country or religion does would make them 'right'.
And we won't detonate explosives around their women and children if they don't convert to "honky Jesus".
(03-23-2016 10:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: Yes but in a poll conducted by al Jazzera, 81% of 38,000 Muslims polled, support ISIS.
I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
I went back through the History of Glorious Islam, and saw that one time an Islamic scholar solved an algebra theorem back in the 1300s. Thus, Islam is Religion of Peace.
(03-23-2016 10:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: Yes but in a poll conducted by al Jazzera, 81% of 38,000 Muslims polled, support ISIS.
I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
I went back through the History of Glorious Islam, and saw that one time an Islamic scholar solved an algebra theorem back in the 1300s. Thus, Islam is Religion of Peace.
A lot of scholars back then (from all religions, not just Islam) had to "pretend" to follow a path in order to stay alive so that science and mathematics could grow. It was a survival instinct.
(03-23-2016 10:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: Yes but in a poll conducted by al Jazzera, 81% of 38,000 Muslims polled, support ISIS.
I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
I went back through the History of Glorious Islam, and saw that one time an Islamic scholar solved an algebra theorem back in the 1300s. Thus, Islam is Religion of Peace.
A lot of scholars back then (from all religions, not just Islam) had to "pretend" to follow a path in order to stay alive so that science and mathematics could grow. It was a survival instinct.
(03-23-2016 10:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: Yes but in a poll conducted by al Jazzera, 81% of 38,000 Muslims polled, support ISIS.
I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
FYI, not sure if Poe's law applies to your post or not.
Intel chairman: Brussels attacks appeared to target Americans
Quote:The terror attacks in Brussels on Tuesday appear to have been designed to hit Americans, according to the head of the House Intelligence Committee.
“From my vantage point, it does look like an attack on Americans,” Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters off the House floor on Wednesday. “It looks like it was targeted towards Americans to some degree.”
Nunes said he drew that conclusion based on location of the twin bombing sites: next to stands for U.S. airliners United, American and Delta at Brussels’s Zaventem airport, and at a downtown metro station less than a mile from the U.S. Embassy.
“With all that said, if you’re going to pick some locations where you might hit Americans, those would be the locations,” Nunes said.
Nunes cautioned that the conclusion is his own, and not necessarily that of U.S. intelligence agencies.
“We may never know, but from my vantage point, this looks like those locations, to me, look like places where you would hit Americans,” he added. “It looks suspicious.”
(03-23-2016 11:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
I went back through the History of Glorious Islam, and saw that one time an Islamic scholar solved an algebra theorem back in the 1300s. Thus, Islam is Religion of Peace.
A lot of scholars back then (from all religions, not just Islam) had to "pretend" to follow a path in order to stay alive so that science and mathematics could grow. It was a survival instinct.
Link or book on that?
Galileo and the Congregation of Index. In 1616, during his first trial, he was told to "publicly renounce" his findings (although he was allowed to use elements of his work for personal research). Galileo did so and stood up for the Catholic Church in front of his "judges".
That's one of the biggest examples that came to the forefront.
Was good to hear today many express their disgust at Obama for speaking less than a minute on the Brussels attack yesterday and then go off and do the wave at a ballgame with Castro, like nothing had happened. Evidently his advisers told him that he sent a very bad message, so he came out today trying to talk serious about the attack and Isis. If you heard his talk, it was pathetic. Same old song and verse.
(03-23-2016 10:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: Yes but in a poll conducted by al Jazzera, 81% of 38,000 Muslims polled, support ISIS.
I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
FYI, not sure if Poe's law applies to your post or not.
(03-23-2016 10:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote: Yes but in a poll conducted by al Jazzera, 81% of 38,000 Muslims polled, support ISIS.
I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
FYI, not sure if Poe's law applies to your post or not.
Ask the Persian Empire about Islam.
Oh wait.
Hey let's go to Constantinople!
Oh wait.
But even if the Arabs were stopped in 717 at Constantinople, they still conquered the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain. Etc. Er, I mean peacefully converted by the sword, least I offend anyone by presenting truthful history.
(03-23-2016 09:46 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote: It's amazing to me after this how completely ignorant some people are. And I agree with Murray007, if these attacks keep happening a ban on muslim immigration (particularly regions from the Middle East) will be warranted until we can get an effective way to screen and track these people. Living in the information age is a dangerous time because it is so easy for radical ideology to be spread. If this keeps happening more drastic measures are going to have to be taken.
I think it's abundantly clear that sitting by and doing some select air strikes on terrorist leaders does little to no good. I'm not saying we go it alone but we need to lead NATO and other nations directly against ISIS and set up "safe zones" for Syrian and Iraqi refuges in those countries so they aren't pouring into other countries. We need to formally ask all Muslim nations to send troops to fight ISIS and put them on the spot to see who are really against these threats. These are but just a few steps that should happen immediately.
decades of stupidity and corruption wields causality.....
(03-23-2016 11:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: I’ve been personally told that True Muslims™ are far too progressive and feminist and decent to ever have anything to do with the likes if ISIS or AQ.
Now, you’re telling me that’s incorrect?
Let's see what history says, shall we? I say we start in 633 AD and go forward and see what history tell us. Let's see what true Islam is and isn't. I bet it's pretty clear.
FYI, not sure if Poe's law applies to your post or not.
Ask the Persian Empire about Islam.
Oh wait.
Hey let's go to Constantinople!
Oh wait.
But even if the Arabs were stopped in 717 at Constantinople, they still conquered the Holy Land, North Africa, Spain. Etc. Er, I mean peacefully converted by the sword, least I offend anyone by presenting truthful history.
