(03-25-2016 08:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 08:01 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yes.

The problem with this thinking is that as we have seen, under the current format, any P5 conference title game is very likely to have big playoff implications, with at least one team very likely getting in if they win and not getting in if they lose.

In the past two years there have been eight P5 conference title games. In six of them, it was clearly the case that if one of the teams won, they would advance to the playoffs. The only games that this wasn't the case was this year's PAC title game, and even in that one Stanford clearly still had a chance to make the playoffs if they won so the game had big meaning anyway, and last year's B1G title game, where Ohio State's status was murky given that they were ranked outside the top 4 in the previous committee poll and could have lost out to a Big 12 team, but again, it was also obvious during the game that if Ohio State won their CCG, they would be a strong contender for a playoff spot.

Also, because the P5 conference champ isn't currently guaranteed a spot, there was in all cases save this past year's B1G game the added drama that a P5 conference could miss the playoffs if there was an upset. E.g., had Alabama lost to Florida this year, the SEC would have been out, a big story. Guarantee that a P5 champ makes the playoffs and that drama is lost, those who just care about their conference - fans of schools that don't make the CCG but want their conference to get in- can rest assured that it doesn't matter who wins and not bother watching the CCG.

So it's hard to believe that raising that from a high probability to a certainty is likely to move the ratings, and thus money, meter.

That logic makes zero sense. In either case--a team must win the CCG game to get into the playoffs. The drama of the game is the same either way. In fact, the only drama in the current method comes from a CCG upset.

The reality? The reality is most of the drama in the current system occurs in a smokey locked room that's never ever shown on tv. In a system where all P5 CCG winners make the playoffs, ALL the drama plays out in crystal clear HD on the football field. That's what makes the most sense for ratings.

(03-26-2016 11:03 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 08:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2016 08:01 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yes.

The problem with this thinking is that as we have seen, under the current format, any P5 conference title game is very likely to have big playoff implications, with at least one team very likely getting in if they win and not getting in if they lose.

In the past two years there have been eight P5 conference title games. In six of them, it was clearly the case that if one of the teams won, they would advance to the playoffs. The only games that this wasn't the case was this year's PAC title game, and even in that one Stanford clearly still had a chance to make the playoffs if they won so the game had big meaning anyway, and last year's B1G title game, where Ohio State's status was murky given that they were ranked outside the top 4 in the previous committee poll and could have lost out to a Big 12 team, but again, it was also obvious during the game that if Ohio State won their CCG, they would be a strong contender for a playoff spot.

Also, because the P5 conference champ isn't currently guaranteed a spot, there was in all cases save this past year's B1G game the added drama that a P5 conference could miss the playoffs if there was an upset. E.g., had Alabama lost to Florida this year, the SEC would have been out, a big story. Guarantee that a P5 champ makes the playoffs and that drama is lost, those who just care about their conference - fans of schools that don't make the CCG but want their conference to get in- can rest assured that it doesn't matter who wins and not bother watching the CCG.

So it's hard to believe that raising that from a high probability to a certainty is likely to move the ratings, and thus money, meter.

That logic makes zero sense. In either case--a team must win the CCG game to get into the playoffs. The drama of the game is the same either way. In fact, the only drama in the current method comes from a CCG upset.

The reality? The reality is most of the drama in the current system occurs in a smokey locked room that's never ever shown on tv. In a system where all P5 CCG winners make the playoffs, ALL the drama plays out in crystal clear HD on the football field. That's what makes the most sense for ratings.

Wow, this is nonsensical. First, obviously, most of the drama did take place on the field. This year, the CCG's totally decided who was making the playoffs. By the end of the CCG's everyone knew it was going to be Alabama, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Michigan State in the playoffs, and that was determined by games on the field. The only drama for the smoke-filled room was the seedings, and that would be true under a system where all CCG winners make the playoffs. The previous year, everyone knew Alabama, FSU, and Oregon were locks as well, the only questionable issue for the committee being the Big 12 champ vs the B1G champ. And that added drama to the selection show.

Second, speaking of which, there is a drama to selections as well, which is why both the football and basketball Selection shows are televised. People tune in to see whose bubbles burst, etc. Make all playoff positions automatic and you largely do away with that and do you think the network wants to?

Neither you nor Rabbitt make any kind of compelling argument that going to auto-bids for the P5 winners would raise ratings. The practical reality is that the P5 CCGs already have a massive bearing on who makes the playoffs. Making them automatic would thus be only a slight boost in their overall importance.

(03-26-2016 11:15 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Neither you nor Rabbitt make any kind of compelling argument that going to auto-bids for the P5 winners would raise ratings. The practical reality is that the P5 CCGs already have a massive bearing on who makes the playoffs. Making them automatic would thus be only a slight boost in their overall importance.

And certainly no argument has been made that demonstrates that 4 CCG that are de facto playoff games would make more money than 5 P5 CCGs, at least one of which is not.

Who cares!!!!

In 2026-2027, there will be three major events to unfold.

1, Division 4 will be created. All members of the P5 will be in Division 4 as well as a select few Independents.

2, The College Football Championship Playoffs for Division 4, will have 8 teams. There will be 5 Auto Bids and 3 At-Large Bids.

3, All Member Institutions of Division 4 will enter into Media rights negotiations as a single entity. This will allow for a massive shift in Conference member institutions as Conferences attempt to re-engage fans by returning to geographic centric memberships.

Since all Division 4 Conferences will be receiving the same annual payout for media rights, they can concentrate on local members and increasing their game day attendance and swag sales to boost over all revenue. "Think Collective Bargaining."

P.S. Yes I know it's silly but, I have just as much chance of being right as anyone guessing if and when the Big 12 will expand.

(03-26-2016 11:46 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Who cares!!!!

In 2026-2027, there will be three major events to unfold.

1, Division 4 will be created. All members of the P5 will be in Division 4 as well as a select few Independents.

2, The College Football Championship Playoffs for Division 4, will have 8 teams. There will be 5 Auto Bids and 3 At-Large Bids.

3, All Member Institutions of Division 4 will enter into Media rights negotiations as a single entity. This will allow for a massive shift in Conference member institutions as Conferences attempt to re-engage fans by returning to geographic centric memberships.

Since all Division 4 Conferences will be receiving the same annual payout for media rights, they can concentrate on local members and increasing their game day attendance and swag sales to boost over all revenue. "Think Collective Bargaining."

P.S. Yes I know it's silly but, I have just as much chance of being right as anyone guessing if and when the Big 12 will expand.

Watch as tv ratings drop as a lot of G5 schools do much better than some P5 schools. North Dakota State draws better ratings as well.

(03-26-2016 11:46 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Who cares!!!!

In 2026-2027, there will be three major events to unfold.

1, Division 4 will be created. All members of the P5 will be in Division 4 as well as a select few Independents.

2, The College Football Championship Playoffs for Division 4, will have 8 teams. There will be 5 Auto Bids and 3 At-Large Bids.

3, All Member Institutions of Division 4 will enter into Media rights negotiations as a single entity. This will allow for a massive shift in Conference member institutions as Conferences attempt to re-engage fans by returning to geographic centric memberships.

Since all Division 4 Conferences will be receiving the same annual payout for media rights, they can concentrate on local members and increasing their game day attendance and swag sales to boost over all revenue. "Think Collective Bargaining."

P.S. Yes I know it's silly but, I have just as much chance of being right as anyone guessing if and when the Big 12 will expand.

I would prefer this but the B1G & the SEC wouldn't agree to a single entity TV negotiations. Overall though (Division 4 for football only), it's still good.

(03-26-2016 11:46 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Who cares!!!!

In 2026-2027, there will be three major events to unfold.

1, Division 4 will be created. All members of the P5 will be in Division 4 as well as a select few Independents.

2, The College Football Championship Playoffs for Division 4, will have 8 teams. There will be 5 Auto Bids and 3 At-Large Bids.

3, All Member Institutions of Division 4 will enter into Media rights negotiations as a single entity. This will allow for a massive shift in Conference member institutions as Conferences attempt to re-engage fans by returning to geographic centric memberships.

Since all Division 4 Conferences will be receiving the same annual payout for media rights, they can concentrate on local members and increasing their game day attendance and swag sales to boost over all revenue. "Think Collective Bargaining."

P.S. Yes I know it's silly but, I have just as much chance of being right as anyone guessing if and when the Big 12 will expand.

Hey who knows by 2026 the earth may be decimated from an asteroid impact rendering this all null and void.