What bothers me about Trump is that he uses events like these for political gain. He milks additional support every time some Muslim decides that he wants to "get even" at the expense of innocent lives.

I don't think Trump is actually going to solve a single thing. I would rather have a guy like Kasich, who understands nuance and can make a realistic plan come to fruition.

Trump is just using Twitter to appeal to people's emotions. He doesn't actually care. He's a typical sociopath.

(03-22-2016 03:53 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Two bombs exploded near the checkpoints... ATM there are 11 dead and 25 wounded...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254

Pay attention America! This is what European style immigration and multiculturalism bring.

(03-22-2016 09:33 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:29 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  When ISIS kills people, Americans call it terrorism. When Chicago gang members kill people, Americans don't care.

I guess Black Lives matter just hasn't had the time to make sure that stuff is brought to our attention.

The news did but nobody cares.

(03-22-2016 09:50 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:29 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  When ISIS kills people, Americans call it terrorism. When Chicago gang members kill people, Americans don't care.

Terrorism is the killing of random people to stoke fear in a general population in order to push a specific ideological, religious or political agenda.

Chicago gang members don't fit any part of that definition.

I would argue that Chicago gang members are doing exactly the same.

(03-22-2016 08:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't see what this has to do with America, or the US President...sounds like a problem for Belgium to solve, and good luck to them.

How provincial of you.

(03-22-2016 09:57 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't see what this has to do with America, or the US President...sounds like a problem for Belgium to solve, and good luck to them.

How provincial of you.

So Obama was suppose to personally track down the terrorists inside of Belgium?

(03-22-2016 09:56 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:50 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:29 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  When ISIS kills people, Americans call it terrorism. When Chicago gang members kill people, Americans don't care.

Terrorism is the killing of random people to stoke fear in a general population in order to push a specific ideological, religious or political agenda.

Chicago gang members don't fit any part of that definition.

I would argue that Chicago gang members are doing exactly the same.

Killing random people? For the most part, no way.

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(03-22-2016 09:59 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:57 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't see what this has to do with America, or the US President...sounds like a problem for Belgium to solve, and good luck to them.

How provincial of you.

So Obama was suppose to personally track down the terrorists inside of Belgium?

No but we need to stop letting Muslims in the country.

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(03-22-2016 09:59 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:57 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I don't see what this has to do with America, or the US President...sounds like a problem for Belgium to solve, and good luck to them.

How provincial of you.

So Obama was suppose to personally track down the terrorists inside of Belgium?

Who brought Obama up? I merely said that sticking your head in the sand and pretending this is not a *global* problem is provincial.

Not asking for Obama to fix Belgium's problems just to acknowledge it before accepting a ton of refugees to the US when there is a good chance that embedded among them are some people who would do the same here.

(03-22-2016 07:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  How is Trump's Muslim ban looking now?

Lucky number 13. That's how many posts it took to make this political.

(03-22-2016 10:07 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 07:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  How is Trump's Muslim ban looking now?

Lucky number 13. That's how many posts it took to make this political.

You do realize that the guy you are quoting is one of you liberals, dont you?

(03-22-2016 09:51 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  What bothers me about Trump is that he uses events like these for political gain. He milks additional support every time some Muslim decides that he wants to "get even" at the expense of innocent lives.

I don't think Trump is actually going to solve a single thing. I would rather have a guy like Kasich, who understands nuance and can make a realistic plan come to fruition.

Trump is just using Twitter to appeal to people's emotions. He doesn't actually care. He's a typical sociopath.

What's really bothering you is that Trump says this stuff and it seems outrageous when he says it, and the the dumbf*ck terrorists go out and prove him correct.

(03-22-2016 10:11 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 10:07 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 07:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  How is Trump's Muslim ban looking now?

Lucky number 13. That's how many posts it took to make this political.

You do realize that the guy you are quoting is one of you liberals, dont you?

I'm not a liberal.

(03-22-2016 09:41 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:37 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:21 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Lord have mercy! The Belgians (and Europe as a whole) have really underestimated the extent of their Islam problem. Hell, Abdeslam was hiding in plain sight in a Brussels neighborhood since the Paris attacks. It's ridiculous. These guys aren't the lone wolf types. They are an organized force that has consistently shown themselves capable of effective strikes. Europe is just going to have to face reality at some point. Either start to deal with it despite whatever bull**** P.C. blowback you get or continue to watch the aftermath of your cities being attacked on the news.

Believe me, there are plenty of Europeans who recognize the problem. It's their feckless leaders who will do nothing about it. It's insane what is happening over there. Germany especially is a ticking time bomb.

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They're afraid of their own shadows (their history). Being called the "F-word" (fascist) or God forbid the "N-word" (nazi) is more terrifying to a Euro-politician than stacks of their own peoples' corpses piling up.

I agree that that fear is a major factor in not dealing with the problem. I think the Germans don't really understand how to deal with their past. It's one thing to understand and never forget it to make sure that it doesn't repeat itself, but it's another thing to be paralyzed by it. Their leaders seem totally incapable of making the hard choices due to the ghosts of their grandfathers.

All the while the powder keg is getting more and more unstable.

(03-22-2016 10:14 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:41 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:37 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:21 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Lord have mercy! The Belgians (and Europe as a whole) have really underestimated the extent of their Islam problem. Hell, Abdeslam was hiding in plain sight in a Brussels neighborhood since the Paris attacks. It's ridiculous. These guys aren't the lone wolf types. They are an organized force that has consistently shown themselves capable of effective strikes. Europe is just going to have to face reality at some point. Either start to deal with it despite whatever bull**** P.C. blowback you get or continue to watch the aftermath of your cities being attacked on the news.

Believe me, there are plenty of Europeans who recognize the problem. It's their feckless leaders who will do nothing about it. It's insane what is happening over there. Germany especially is a ticking time bomb.

All the while the powder keg is getting more and more unstable.
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They're afraid of their own shadows (their history). Being called the "F-word" (fascist) or God forbid the "N-word" (nazi) is more terrifying to a Euro-politician than stacks of their own peoples' corpses piling up.

I agree that that fear is a major factor in not dealing with the problem. I think the Germans don't really understand how to deal with their past. It's one thing to understand and never forget it to make sure that it doesn't repeat itself, but it's another thing to be paralyzed by it. Their leaders seem totally incapable of making the hard choices due to the ghosts of their grandfathers.

These Islamic terrorist attacks are bad news for liberals. Time to go on the defensive again. Gear up, boys!

Why did that Guy make another Video ?

(03-22-2016 10:16 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 10:14 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:41 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:37 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 08:21 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  Lord have mercy! The Belgians (and Europe as a whole) have really underestimated the extent of their Islam problem. Hell, Abdeslam was hiding in plain sight in a Brussels neighborhood since the Paris attacks. It's ridiculous. These guys aren't the lone wolf types. They are an organized force that has consistently shown themselves capable of effective strikes. Europe is just going to have to face reality at some point. Either start to deal with it despite whatever bull**** P.C. blowback you get or continue to watch the aftermath of your cities being attacked on the news.

Believe me, there are plenty of Europeans who recognize the problem. It's their feckless leaders who will do nothing about it. It's insane what is happening over there. Germany especially is a ticking time bomb.

All the while the powder keg is getting more and more unstable.
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They're afraid of their own shadows (their history). Being called the "F-word" (fascist) or God forbid the "N-word" (nazi) is more terrifying to a Euro-politician than stacks of their own peoples' corpses piling up.

I agree that that fear is a major factor in not dealing with the problem. I think the Germans don't really understand how to deal with their past. It's one thing to understand and never forget it to make sure that it doesn't repeat itself, but it's another thing to be paralyzed by it. Their leaders seem totally incapable of making the hard choices due to the ghosts of their grandfathers.

From the man who complained this was made political comes an attempt to tie it to american slavery..

Wait... but I thought if everyone was nicer to the Muslims and allowed in those poor refugees, the terrorists would change their minds about hating everyone that isn't a radical Muslim...? Right? Did someone in Belgium say something racist?

(03-22-2016 10:12 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-22-2016 09:51 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  What bothers me about Trump is that he uses events like these for political gain. He milks additional support every time some Muslim decides that he wants to "get even" at the expense of innocent lives.

I don't think Trump is actually going to solve a single thing. I would rather have a guy like Kasich, who understands nuance and can make a realistic plan come to fruition.

Trump is just using Twitter to appeal to people's emotions. He doesn't actually care. He's a typical sociopath.

What's really bothering you is that Trump says this stuff and it seems outrageous when he says it, and the the dumbf*ck terrorists go out and prove him correct.

It's not outrageous at all. It's tasteless (and tone-deaf). It's a trait I don't think we want in a President.

A lot of his "bigotry" is rooted in fact. His reasons are actual reasons. That's why he appeals to so many people.

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As for Belgium, they are going to have to ask some tough questions about themselves. These Muslims were home-grown, so I don't think sealing the borders actually fixes the issues. You could monitor all Muslims in your country - but does making your homeland a surveillance state sound a little unappetizing to you?