(08-24-2016 12:31 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 10:10 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Well Akron's OOC schedule has officially been released.

http://www.gozips.com/sports/mbkb/2016-1...0823qiww51

Final RPI from last year-


45 @Gonzaga (25-7)
75 *UC Irvine (23-9)

100 @Creighton (18-14)
128 Marshall (17-16)
191 Radford (14-15)
194 *Mercer (17-14) -OR- *East Carolina

215 @UTEP (18-14) -OR- *MD Eastern Shore
218 *East Carolina (12-20) -OR- *Mercer
226 *Air Force (12-18)
230 American (12-19)
243 Ga Southern (12-17)
277 @Youngstown St (9-21)

307 *MD Eastern Shore (9-22) -OR- @UTEP
326 Coppin St (7-22)

the average RPI is between 187.5 and 197.2, depending on tournament match ups.

To analyze this closer ... that's three Top 100 games (Gonzaga, UC-Irvine, Creighton) one of which (UCI) could very easily fall out of that ranking ... plus two games vs. teams (UTEP and Ga. Southern) that could be Top 100 teams ... overall, that's probably four Top 100 RPI games out of 12, when it really should be six or seven.

And overall RPI should be in the 165-175 range. (And that should hold true for Ohio, Buffalo, Kent, Toledo WMU, CMU as well).

My opinion.

(08-24-2016 02:18 PM)cleveland Wrote:  Buffalo aside ... all these quality MAC teams fall on the "nobody wants to play us sword" ... when the reality is, these coaches don't want to play anybody. The games are out there ... but you have to go on the road to get them. Part of that is the MAC's fault, demanding that every team play 16 or more home games ... but the time has come for Akron, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, WMU and even Eastern to suck it up and go on the road to get the job done.

All these teams should have 4-5 P5 games (Gonzaga, Memphis, Big East, top A-10 added) not just two or three and they should be locked down, not predicated on pulling one upset in a tournament in order to get a second quality game. ... and No D-2/NAIA games at all ... the schedule allows for EITHER, two closed pre-season scrimmages, or ... one closed and one open exhibition vs. a D-2/NAIA.

No need for these games to actually count in the w/l column even if you play them.

To play those D-2/NAIA games, plus a string of MEAC/SWAC games (Eastern Michigan) is why the MAC can be a Top 10 league and still a one-bid conference.

Time for ALL MAC coaches to take their diapers off and put their pants on. I think most fans would much rather see their teams play one or two more QUALITY road games vs the homecourt poo that shows up in November and December. ..

Might even make a bit more $$$ too ....

In the past 10 seasons Ohio has played 55 games vs P5+BE+A10+MVC+CUSA, that's plenty.

(08-24-2016 08:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:18 PM)cleveland Wrote:  Buffalo aside ... all these quality MAC teams fall on the "nobody wants to play us sword" ... when the reality is, these coaches don't want to play anybody. The games are out there ... but you have to go on the road to get them. Part of that is the MAC's fault, demanding that every team play 16 or more home games ... but the time has come for Akron, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, WMU and even Eastern to suck it up and go on the road to get the job done.

All these teams should have 4-5 P5 games (Gonzaga, Memphis, Big East, top A-10 added) not just two or three and they should be locked down, not predicated on pulling one upset in a tournament in order to get a second quality game. ... and No D-2/NAIA games at all ... the schedule allows for EITHER, two closed pre-season scrimmages, or ... one closed and one open exhibition vs. a D-2/NAIA.

No need for these games to actually count in the w/l column even if you play them.

To play those D-2/NAIA games, plus a string of MEAC/SWAC games (Eastern Michigan) is why the MAC can be a Top 10 league and still a one-bid conference.

Time for ALL MAC coaches to take their diapers off and put their pants on. I think most fans would much rather see their teams play one or two more QUALITY road games vs the homecourt poo that shows up in November and December. ..

Might even make a bit more $$$ too ....

In the past 10 seasons Ohio has played 55 games vs P5+BE+A10+MVC+CUSA, that's plenty.

That's an average of 5 per season, which looks good ... but one would guess at least 5-10 of those were post-season games ... after the fact ... so the regular season numbers which really matter drops accordingly.

(08-24-2016 09:28 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 08:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:18 PM)cleveland Wrote:  Buffalo aside ... all these quality MAC teams fall on the "nobody wants to play us sword" ... when the reality is, these coaches don't want to play anybody. The games are out there ... but you have to go on the road to get them. Part of that is the MAC's fault, demanding that every team play 16 or more home games ... but the time has come for Akron, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, WMU and even Eastern to suck it up and go on the road to get the job done.

All these teams should have 4-5 P5 games (Gonzaga, Memphis, Big East, top A-10 added) not just two or three and they should be locked down, not predicated on pulling one upset in a tournament in order to get a second quality game. ... and No D-2/NAIA games at all ... the schedule allows for EITHER, two closed pre-season scrimmages, or ... one closed and one open exhibition vs. a D-2/NAIA.

No need for these games to actually count in the w/l column even if you play them.

To play those D-2/NAIA games, plus a string of MEAC/SWAC games (Eastern Michigan) is why the MAC can be a Top 10 league and still a one-bid conference.

Time for ALL MAC coaches to take their diapers off and put their pants on. I think most fans would much rather see their teams play one or two more QUALITY road games vs the homecourt poo that shows up in November and December. ..

Might even make a bit more $$$ too ....

In the past 10 seasons Ohio has played 55 games vs P5+BE+A10+MVC+CUSA, that's plenty.

That's an average of 5 per season, which looks good ... but one would guess at least 5-10 of those were post-season games ... after the fact ... so the regular season numbers which really matter drops accordingly.

all of Ohio's Away/Neutral games in OOC (Nov and Dec) for the past 4 seasons:

High Majors
(AAC) Memphis
(AAC) Tulsa
(ACC) Florida St
(A10) Geo Wash
(A10) Richmond
(A10) St Bona
(A10) UMass
(BE) DePaul
(B1G) Nebraska
(B1G) Ohio St
(B1G) Oklahoma
(MVC) Evansville

Mid/low Majors
(ASUN) FL Gulf Coast
(BSouth) UNC Ashville
(Horizon) Cleveland St
(Horizon) Oakland
(MEAC) Morgan St
(MEAC) Norfolk St
(NEC) Robert Morris

12 out of 19 road games were against high majors. That's plenty.

(08-25-2016 12:16 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:28 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 08:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:18 PM)cleveland Wrote:  Buffalo aside ... all these quality MAC teams fall on the "nobody wants to play us sword" ... when the reality is, these coaches don't want to play anybody. The games are out there ... but you have to go on the road to get them. Part of that is the MAC's fault, demanding that every team play 16 or more home games ... but the time has come for Akron, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, WMU and even Eastern to suck it up and go on the road to get the job done.

All these teams should have 4-5 P5 games (Gonzaga, Memphis, Big East, top A-10 added) not just two or three and they should be locked down, not predicated on pulling one upset in a tournament in order to get a second quality game. ... and No D-2/NAIA games at all ... the schedule allows for EITHER, two closed pre-season scrimmages, or ... one closed and one open exhibition vs. a D-2/NAIA.

No need for these games to actually count in the w/l column even if you play them.

To play those D-2/NAIA games, plus a string of MEAC/SWAC games (Eastern Michigan) is why the MAC can be a Top 10 league and still a one-bid conference.

Time for ALL MAC coaches to take their diapers off and put their pants on. I think most fans would much rather see their teams play one or two more QUALITY road games vs the homecourt poo that shows up in November and December. ..

Might even make a bit more $$$ too ....

In the past 10 seasons Ohio has played 55 games vs P5+BE+A10+MVC+CUSA, that's plenty.

That's an average of 5 per season, which looks good ... but one would guess at least 5-10 of those were post-season games ... after the fact ... so the regular season numbers which really matter drops accordingly.

all of Ohio's Away/Neutral games in OOC (Nov and Dec) for the past 4 seasons:

High Majors
(AAC) Memphis
(AAC) Tulsa
(ACC) Florida St
(A10) Geo Wash
(A10) Richmond
(A10) St Bona
(A10) UMass
(BE) DePaul
(B1G) Nebraska
(B1G) Ohio St
(B1G) Oklahoma
(MVC) Evansville

Mid/low Majors
(ASUN) FL Gulf Coast
(BSouth) UNC Ashville
(Horizon) Cleveland St
(Horizon) Oakland
(MEAC) Morgan St
(MEAC) Norfolk St
(NEC) Robert Morris

12 out of 19 road games were against high majors. That's plenty.

THAT AVERAGES OUT TO THREE (3) HIGH MAJOR GAMES A SEASON ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! ... especially when the home games are loaded with poo ... again, this is not a slap at Ohio ... this is the universal MAC scheduling formula and it needs to be addressed...

I don't think I would call those particular A10 teams or DePaul "high majors." UMass? St. Bona? I know some of those teams have some history and are very good at times and I think it is very good to schedule them, but I wouldn't lump them in with the P5 and better BE teams. Other A10 teams and BE teams are certainly major programs. I think you have to consider those conferences on a team by team basis practically.

Going out and losing 5 games vs. Louisville, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, and MSU isn't going to help neither. There needs to be some balance. I feel the problem is a lot of MAC teams schedule a couple big name opponents then the rest of their schedule is filled with cupcake opponents. They need to get more games in between.

Akron for whatever reason has a habit of scheduling Marshall to home and home series. Marshall has been a mediocre to bad (by mid-major standard) team over the years. If Akron instead used those opportunities to get a home and home with a Northern Iowa, Evansville, Valpo, etc. that would instantly improve the schedule by some margin. It would also give your fans a home OOC game worth showing up for.

(08-25-2016 09:37 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Going out and losing 5 games vs. Louisville, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, and MSU isn't going to help neither. There needs to be some balance. I feel the problem is a lot of MAC teams schedule a couple big name opponents then the rest of their schedule is filled with cupcake opponents. They need to get more games in between.

Akron for whatever reason has a habit of scheduling Marshall to home and home series. Marshall has been a mediocre to bad (by mid-major standard) team over the years. If Akron instead used those opportunities to get a home and home with a Northern Iowa, Evansville, Valpo, etc. that would instantly improve the schedule by some margin. It would also give your fans a home OOC game worth showing up for.

I agree, 100-percent. I would even take an 8-game non-con slate of something like Valpo, Old Dominion, Northern Iowa, Davidson, Evansville, DePaul, St. Joes, Indiana State vs, 2-3 eye-candy games MAC teams have little chance of winning. Even if the above slates start out as 2-for-1s, I'd take it because there is not a team in that bunch a good MAC team should not be able to beat on the road. ... Not saying MAC teams would be favored ... but two or three wins off that list moves the needle as much or more than a loss to UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Duke.

That would leave four cupcake games, and the possiblity of a 6-6 non-conference slate. Go 12-6 in the MAC and that's 18 wins. Get two MAC Tournament wins and that's 20 ... without winning the MAC Tournament but with the solid possibility of a Top 75 RPI or better ... That's NIT at-large territory ... which considering the MAC's history to date, is not a bad place to start.

(08-24-2016 02:18 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 01:11 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:40 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:21 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:07 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'm not all that surprised. The Sun Belt and C-USA combined only have a few quality programs with the bottom half teams being pretty terrible. The MWC and AAC feel they are better than the other G5 conferences. I'd like to see more games vs. A10, Big East, and CAA

My error: I meant P5, not G5. Where are the games vs. Big 10, PAC, SEC, Big 12, ACC? Those are the games that are noticeably absent from MAC schedules. Haven't looked at everyone's schedule, but I noticed Toledo and Akron have no P5 games. I remember a couple of others who don't either. Very hard to drive the league's rankings up when you don't play teams who will have generally better rankings by league association alone. Wins over even mediocre P5 teams can potentially help quite a bit if those teams pull off some conference upsets. And obviously we can really use wins over good P5 teams. Those are gold.

I'm by no means trying to defend Akron's OOC scheduling as it always has too many cupcakes, but Akron normally does schedule some P5 teams. I'm counting 9 games in the past 3 regular season OOC and that doesn't include Villanova last year who went onto winning the entire thing. They were reportedly close to reaching a deal to play Louisville, but it fell through for whatever reason so they scheduled Gonzaga instead.

I certainly would include Nova and Gonzaga. The better BE and AAC powers are the teams the better MAC teams need to take a shot at beating, along with whatever P5 teams they can get on the schedule.

Dambrot's scheduling has always baffled me. I don't see why he doesn't give his better teams a shot at the brass ring. If your team is not very good then it doesn't matter much, but he's had teams that could compete with top teams, but he never gives them the opportunity and then his team has no chance to put together a tournament resume. Plus, they never test themselves against top competition which can make a team better.

Buffalo aside ... all these quality MAC teams fall on the "nobody wants to play us sword" ... when the reality is, these coaches don't want to play anybody. The games are out there ... but you have to go on the road to get them. Part of that is the MAC's fault, demanding that every team play 16 or more home games ... but the time has come for Akron, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, WMU and even Eastern to suck it up and go on the road to get the job done.

All these teams should have 4-5 P5 games (Gonzaga, Memphis, Big East, top A-10 added) not just two or three and they should be locked down, not predicated on pulling one upset in a tournament in order to get a second quality game. ... and No D-2/NAIA games at all ... the schedule allows for EITHER, two closed pre-season scrimmages, or ... one closed and one open exhibition vs. a D-2/NAIA.

No need for these games to actually count in the w/l column even if you play them.

To play those D-2/NAIA games, plus a string of MEAC/SWAC games (Eastern Michigan) is why the MAC can be a Top 10 league and still a one-bid conference.

Time for ALL MAC coaches to take their diapers off and put their pants on. I think most fans would much rather see their teams play one or two more QUALITY road games vs the homecourt poo that shows up in November and December. ..

Might even make a bit more $$$ too ....

Miami tried that already years ago with the Gauntlet schedules they played....

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I agree with Cleveland. Its time for the MAC to pull off the diapers and put in the pants.

-4 Top 20 programs on the road (can be other than P5)
-4 best programs you can get a 1 for 1 with.
-Buy the remaining games at home.

1) Gives a program enough cracks against Top 20 to prove itself nationally.
2) Gives the fans a reason to buy season tickets with good opponents at home.
3) Allows a program to rack up some non-conference wins to build confidence.

Scheduling is important. Top players want to play top competition.

I can understand if the coach is just building and wants to go easy hoping to get ready for MAC play with no P5 programs. That's understandable when 9 scholarship players are on the roster.

Playing strong competition in the non-conference schedule builds fan interest too, even if the game isn't at home. Fans will want to see the score watch on TV.

(08-25-2016 01:24 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:18 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 01:11 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:40 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:21 PM)axeme Wrote:  My error: I meant P5, not G5. Where are the games vs. Big 10, PAC, SEC, Big 12, ACC? Those are the games that are noticeably absent from MAC schedules. Haven't looked at everyone's schedule, but I noticed Toledo and Akron have no P5 games. I remember a couple of others who don't either. Very hard to drive the league's rankings up when you don't play teams who will have generally better rankings by league association alone. Wins over even mediocre P5 teams can potentially help quite a bit if those teams pull off some conference upsets. And obviously we can really use wins over good P5 teams. Those are gold.

I'm by no means trying to defend Akron's OOC scheduling as it always has too many cupcakes, but Akron normally does schedule some P5 teams. I'm counting 9 games in the past 3 regular season OOC and that doesn't include Villanova last year who went onto winning the entire thing. They were reportedly close to reaching a deal to play Louisville, but it fell through for whatever reason so they scheduled Gonzaga instead.

I certainly would include Nova and Gonzaga. The better BE and AAC powers are the teams the better MAC teams need to take a shot at beating, along with whatever P5 teams they can get on the schedule.

Dambrot's scheduling has always baffled me. I don't see why he doesn't give his better teams a shot at the brass ring. If your team is not very good then it doesn't matter much, but he's had teams that could compete with top teams, but he never gives them the opportunity and then his team has no chance to put together a tournament resume. Plus, they never test themselves against top competition which can make a team better.

Buffalo aside ... all these quality MAC teams fall on the "nobody wants to play us sword" ... when the reality is, these coaches don't want to play anybody. The games are out there ... but you have to go on the road to get them. Part of that is the MAC's fault, demanding that every team play 16 or more home games ... but the time has come for Akron, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, WMU and even Eastern to suck it up and go on the road to get the job done.

All these teams should have 4-5 P5 games (Gonzaga, Memphis, Big East, top A-10 added) not just two or three and they should be locked down, not predicated on pulling one upset in a tournament in order to get a second quality game. ... and No D-2/NAIA games at all ... the schedule allows for EITHER, two closed pre-season scrimmages, or ... one closed and one open exhibition vs. a D-2/NAIA.

No need for these games to actually count in the w/l column even if you play them.

To play those D-2/NAIA games, plus a string of MEAC/SWAC games (Eastern Michigan) is why the MAC can be a Top 10 league and still a one-bid conference.

Time for ALL MAC coaches to take their diapers off and put their pants on. I think most fans would much rather see their teams play one or two more QUALITY road games vs the homecourt poo that shows up in November and December. ..

Might even make a bit more $$$ too ....

Miami tried that already years ago with the Gauntlet schedules they played....

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It usually worked for them.

1) Recruiting
2) Respect
3) Renewal of Season Tickets

4) Graduate erosion of fan base as your basketball program is pimped out to support non-revenue sports.
5) Eventual botched hiring process that results in a mediocre low-major coach to be hired on for five years.

(08-25-2016 05:40 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 12:16 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:28 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 08:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:18 PM)cleveland Wrote:  Buffalo aside ... all these quality MAC teams fall on the "nobody wants to play us sword" ... when the reality is, these coaches don't want to play anybody. The games are out there ... but you have to go on the road to get them. Part of that is the MAC's fault, demanding that every team play 16 or more home games ... but the time has come for Akron, OU, Toledo, Buffalo, Kent, WMU and even Eastern to suck it up and go on the road to get the job done.

All these teams should have 4-5 P5 games (Gonzaga, Memphis, Big East, top A-10 added) not just two or three and they should be locked down, not predicated on pulling one upset in a tournament in order to get a second quality game. ... and No D-2/NAIA games at all ... the schedule allows for EITHER, two closed pre-season scrimmages, or ... one closed and one open exhibition vs. a D-2/NAIA.

No need for these games to actually count in the w/l column even if you play them.

To play those D-2/NAIA games, plus a string of MEAC/SWAC games (Eastern Michigan) is why the MAC can be a Top 10 league and still a one-bid conference.

Time for ALL MAC coaches to take their diapers off and put their pants on. I think most fans would much rather see their teams play one or two more QUALITY road games vs the homecourt poo that shows up in November and December. ..

Might even make a bit more $$$ too ....

In the past 10 seasons Ohio has played 55 games vs P5+BE+A10+MVC+CUSA, that's plenty.

That's an average of 5 per season, which looks good ... but one would guess at least 5-10 of those were post-season games ... after the fact ... so the regular season numbers which really matter drops accordingly.

all of Ohio's Away/Neutral games in OOC (Nov and Dec) for the past 4 seasons:

High Majors
(AAC) Memphis
(AAC) Tulsa
(ACC) Florida St
(A10) Geo Wash
(A10) Richmond
(A10) St Bona
(A10) UMass
(BE) DePaul
(B1G) Nebraska
(B1G) Ohio St
(B1G) Oklahoma
(MVC) Evansville

Mid/low Majors
(ASUN) FL Gulf Coast
(BSouth) UNC Ashville
(Horizon) Cleveland St
(Horizon) Oakland
(MEAC) Morgan St
(MEAC) Norfolk St
(NEC) Robert Morris

12 out of 19 road games were against high majors. That's plenty.

THAT AVERAGES OUT TO THREE (3) HIGH MAJOR GAMES A SEASON ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! ... especially when the home games are loaded with poo ... again, this is not a slap at Ohio ... this is the universal MAC scheduling formula and it needs to be addressed...

3 out of 5 road games isn't enough? You're just being unreasonable, look at the OOC schedules of the schools that you covet, they maybe play 1 away game every year and it ain't at a mid-major's house.

(08-25-2016 10:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 05:40 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 12:16 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:28 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 08:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  In the past 10 seasons Ohio has played 55 games vs P5+BE+A10+MVC+CUSA, that's plenty.

That's an average of 5 per season, which looks good ... but one would guess at least 5-10 of those were post-season games ... after the fact ... so the regular season numbers which really matter drops accordingly.

all of Ohio's Away/Neutral games in OOC (Nov and Dec) for the past 4 seasons:

High Majors
(AAC) Memphis
(AAC) Tulsa
(ACC) Florida St
(A10) Geo Wash
(A10) Richmond
(A10) St Bona
(A10) UMass
(BE) DePaul
(B1G) Nebraska
(B1G) Ohio St
(B1G) Oklahoma
(MVC) Evansville

Mid/low Majors
(ASUN) FL Gulf Coast
(BSouth) UNC Ashville
(Horizon) Cleveland St
(Horizon) Oakland
(MEAC) Morgan St
(MEAC) Norfolk St
(NEC) Robert Morris

12 out of 19 road games were against high majors. That's plenty.

THAT AVERAGES OUT TO THREE (3) HIGH MAJOR GAMES A SEASON ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! ... especially when the home games are loaded with poo ... again, this is not a slap at Ohio ... this is the universal MAC scheduling formula and it needs to be addressed...

3 out of 5 road games isn't enough? You're just being unreasonable, look at the OOC schedules of the schools that you covet, they maybe play 1 away game every year and it ain't at a mid-major's house.

Those other schools have opportunities to add resume building wins in conference play. MAC teams have few to no chances. You mention 3/5 road games against great teams, but last year OU only played 2 true road games and 3 neutral court games. Of which only 1 of your so called power teams made it to the tournament, Tulsa who lost in the 1st 4. Meanwhile, their home OOC schedule was filled with predominately cupcakes.

If it sounds like I'm trying to single out OU, I'm not. It isn't just an OU problem, it is a MAC problem. Forget the NCAA tournament for a minute. When's the last time the MAC sent 2 teams to the NIT? Clearly selection committees look past the MAC when deciding on at-large teams.

(08-26-2016 09:54 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 10:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 05:40 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 12:16 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:28 PM)cleveland Wrote:  That's an average of 5 per season, which looks good ... but one would guess at least 5-10 of those were post-season games ... after the fact ... so the regular season numbers which really matter drops accordingly.

all of Ohio's Away/Neutral games in OOC (Nov and Dec) for the past 4 seasons:

High Majors
(AAC) Memphis
(AAC) Tulsa
(ACC) Florida St
(A10) Geo Wash
(A10) Richmond
(A10) St Bona
(A10) UMass
(BE) DePaul
(B1G) Nebraska
(B1G) Ohio St
(B1G) Oklahoma
(MVC) Evansville

Mid/low Majors
(ASUN) FL Gulf Coast
(BSouth) UNC Ashville
(Horizon) Cleveland St
(Horizon) Oakland
(MEAC) Morgan St
(MEAC) Norfolk St
(NEC) Robert Morris

12 out of 19 road games were against high majors. That's plenty.

THAT AVERAGES OUT TO THREE (3) HIGH MAJOR GAMES A SEASON ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! ... especially when the home games are loaded with poo ... again, this is not a slap at Ohio ... this is the universal MAC scheduling formula and it needs to be addressed...

3 out of 5 road games isn't enough? You're just being unreasonable, look at the OOC schedules of the schools that you covet, they maybe play 1 away game every year and it ain't at a mid-major's house.

Those other schools have opportunities to add resume building wins in conference play. MAC teams have few to no chances. You mention 3/5 road games against great teams, but last year OU only played 2 true road games and 3 neutral court games. Of which only 1 of your so called power teams made it to the tournament, Tulsa who lost in the 1st 4. Meanwhile, their home OOC schedule was filled with predominately cupcakes.

If it sounds like I'm trying to single out OU, I'm not. It isn't just an OU problem, it is a MAC problem. Forget the NCAA tournament for a minute. When's the last time the MAC sent 2 teams to the NIT? Clearly selection committees look past the MAC when deciding on at-large teams.

Half right/half wrong ... you are right about the MAC road schedules, and the fact the NIT ignores a second MAC team as well as the NCAA ... but just using last season as an example - Akron, OU, Buffalo all finished the season inside the Top 100 ... NIU and Eastern got there before fading ... and Kent was comfortably inside the RPI T-100 before thier injury issues ... for MAC East teams in particular that's a half-dozen Top 100 MAC games for sure ... lots of resume building opportunities

(08-26-2016 05:37 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 09:54 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 10:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 05:40 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 12:16 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  all of Ohio's Away/Neutral games in OOC (Nov and Dec) for the past 4 seasons:

High Majors
(AAC) Memphis
(AAC) Tulsa
(ACC) Florida St
(A10) Geo Wash
(A10) Richmond
(A10) St Bona
(A10) UMass
(BE) DePaul
(B1G) Nebraska
(B1G) Ohio St
(B1G) Oklahoma
(MVC) Evansville

Mid/low Majors
(ASUN) FL Gulf Coast
(BSouth) UNC Ashville
(Horizon) Cleveland St
(Horizon) Oakland
(MEAC) Morgan St
(MEAC) Norfolk St
(NEC) Robert Morris

12 out of 19 road games were against high majors. That's plenty.

THAT AVERAGES OUT TO THREE (3) HIGH MAJOR GAMES A SEASON ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! ... especially when the home games are loaded with poo ... again, this is not a slap at Ohio ... this is the universal MAC scheduling formula and it needs to be addressed...

3 out of 5 road games isn't enough? You're just being unreasonable, look at the OOC schedules of the schools that you covet, they maybe play 1 away game every year and it ain't at a mid-major's house.

Those other schools have opportunities to add resume building wins in conference play. MAC teams have few to no chances. You mention 3/5 road games against great teams, but last year OU only played 2 true road games and 3 neutral court games. Of which only 1 of your so called power teams made it to the tournament, Tulsa who lost in the 1st 4. Meanwhile, their home OOC schedule was filled with predominately cupcakes.

If it sounds like I'm trying to single out OU, I'm not. It isn't just an OU problem, it is a MAC problem. Forget the NCAA tournament for a minute. When's the last time the MAC sent 2 teams to the NIT? Clearly selection committees look past the MAC when deciding on at-large teams.

Half right/half wrong ... you are right about the MAC road schedules, and the fact the NIT ignores a second MAC team as well as the NCAA ... but just using last season as an example - Akron, OU, Buffalo all finished the season inside the Top 100 ... NIU and Eastern got there before fading ... and Kent was comfortably inside the RPI T-100 before thier injury issues ... for MAC East teams in particular that's a half-dozen Top 100 MAC games for sure ... lots of resume building opportunities

Akron had a combined 4 wins vs. UB and OU last season and that wasn't even good enough to get an at home NIT game. You need better wins than OU/UB to give your resume credibility.

(08-26-2016 07:20 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 05:37 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 09:54 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 10:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 05:40 AM)cleveland Wrote:  THAT AVERAGES OUT TO THREE (3) HIGH MAJOR GAMES A SEASON ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! ... especially when the home games are loaded with poo ... again, this is not a slap at Ohio ... this is the universal MAC scheduling formula and it needs to be addressed...

3 out of 5 road games isn't enough? You're just being unreasonable, look at the OOC schedules of the schools that you covet, they maybe play 1 away game every year and it ain't at a mid-major's house.

Those other schools have opportunities to add resume building wins in conference play. MAC teams have few to no chances. You mention 3/5 road games against great teams, but last year OU only played 2 true road games and 3 neutral court games. Of which only 1 of your so called power teams made it to the tournament, Tulsa who lost in the 1st 4. Meanwhile, their home OOC schedule was filled with predominately cupcakes.

If it sounds like I'm trying to single out OU, I'm not. It isn't just an OU problem, it is a MAC problem. Forget the NCAA tournament for a minute. When's the last time the MAC sent 2 teams to the NIT? Clearly selection committees look past the MAC when deciding on at-large teams.

Half right/half wrong ... you are right about the MAC road schedules, and the fact the NIT ignores a second MAC team as well as the NCAA ... but just using last season as an example - Akron, OU, Buffalo all finished the season inside the Top 100 ... NIU and Eastern got there before fading ... and Kent was comfortably inside the RPI T-100 before thier injury issues ... for MAC East teams in particular that's a half-dozen Top 100 MAC games for sure ... lots of resume building opportunities

Akron had a combined 4 wins vs. UB and OU last season and that wasn't even good enough to get an at home NIT game. You need better wins than OU/UB to give your resume credibility.

Or maybe you need better non-conference wins to make those MAC wins stand up/stand out ....

Also ... on the face of it you are right about Akron's NIT draw ... BUT we all know 99-times out of a hundred ... no matter what the records/RPI say .... where that game is going to played in the opening round ... better to play somebody else first and have a better shot at hosting that game in the second round.

(08-26-2016 09:54 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 10:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 05:40 AM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 12:16 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:28 PM)cleveland Wrote:  That's an average of 5 per season, which looks good ... but one would guess at least 5-10 of those were post-season games ... after the fact ... so the regular season numbers which really matter drops accordingly.

all of Ohio's Away/Neutral games in OOC (Nov and Dec) for the past 4 seasons:

High Majors
(AAC) Memphis
(AAC) Tulsa
(ACC) Florida St
(A10) Geo Wash
(A10) Richmond
(A10) St Bona
(A10) UMass
(BE) DePaul
(B1G) Nebraska
(B1G) Ohio St
(B1G) Oklahoma
(MVC) Evansville

Mid/low Majors
(ASUN) FL Gulf Coast
(BSouth) UNC Ashville
(Horizon) Cleveland St
(Horizon) Oakland
(MEAC) Morgan St
(MEAC) Norfolk St
(NEC) Robert Morris

12 out of 19 road games were against high majors. That's plenty.

THAT AVERAGES OUT TO THREE (3) HIGH MAJOR GAMES A SEASON ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!! ... especially when the home games are loaded with poo ... again, this is not a slap at Ohio ... this is the universal MAC scheduling formula and it needs to be addressed...

3 out of 5 road games isn't enough? You're just being unreasonable, look at the OOC schedules of the schools that you covet, they maybe play 1 away game every year and it ain't at a mid-major's house.

Those other schools have opportunities to add resume building wins in conference play. MAC teams have few to no chances. You mention 3/5 road games against great teams, but last year OU only played 2 true road games and 3 neutral court games. Of which only 1 of your so called power teams made it to the tournament, Tulsa who lost in the 1st 4. Meanwhile, their home OOC schedule was filled with predominately cupcakes.

If it sounds like I'm trying to single out OU, I'm not. It isn't just an OU problem, it is a MAC problem. Forget the NCAA tournament for a minute. When's the last time the MAC sent 2 teams to the NIT? Clearly selection committees look past the MAC when deciding on at-large teams.

what difference does it make if its at the other team's arena or a neutral court, its a non-home game either way.

(08-26-2016 09:06 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 07:20 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 05:37 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 09:54 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-25-2016 10:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  3 out of 5 road games isn't enough? You're just being unreasonable, look at the OOC schedules of the schools that you covet, they maybe play 1 away game every year and it ain't at a mid-major's house.

Those other schools have opportunities to add resume building wins in conference play. MAC teams have few to no chances. You mention 3/5 road games against great teams, but last year OU only played 2 true road games and 3 neutral court games. Of which only 1 of your so called power teams made it to the tournament, Tulsa who lost in the 1st 4. Meanwhile, their home OOC schedule was filled with predominately cupcakes.

If it sounds like I'm trying to single out OU, I'm not. It isn't just an OU problem, it is a MAC problem. Forget the NCAA tournament for a minute. When's the last time the MAC sent 2 teams to the NIT? Clearly selection committees look past the MAC when deciding on at-large teams.

Half right/half wrong ... you are right about the MAC road schedules, and the fact the NIT ignores a second MAC team as well as the NCAA ... but just using last season as an example - Akron, OU, Buffalo all finished the season inside the Top 100 ... NIU and Eastern got there before fading ... and Kent was comfortably inside the RPI T-100 before thier injury issues ... for MAC East teams in particular that's a half-dozen Top 100 MAC games for sure ... lots of resume building opportunities

Akron had a combined 4 wins vs. UB and OU last season and that wasn't even good enough to get an at home NIT game. You need better wins than OU/UB to give your resume credibility.

Or maybe you need better non-conference wins to make those MAC wins stand up/stand out ....

Also ... on the face of it you are right about Akron's NIT draw ... BUT we all know 99-times out of a hundred ... no matter what the records/RPI say .... where that game is going to played in the opening round ... better to play somebody else first and have a better shot at hosting that game in the second round.

Point being UB and OU aren't signature wins that you build your resume around. They are complimentary wins. You need top 50 wins to make your resume standout. There are few to no opportunities to get those in conference so you need to rely on OOC for them.

When other bubble teams have wins vs Michigan State, Louisville, Xavier, etc. saying well we beat OU/UB carries little to no weight.

(08-27-2016 01:26 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 09:06 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 07:20 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 05:37 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(08-26-2016 09:54 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Those other schools have opportunities to add resume building wins in conference play. MAC teams have few to no chances. You mention 3/5 road games against great teams, but last year OU only played 2 true road games and 3 neutral court games. Of which only 1 of your so called power teams made it to the tournament, Tulsa who lost in the 1st 4. Meanwhile, their home OOC schedule was filled with predominately cupcakes.

If it sounds like I'm trying to single out OU, I'm not. It isn't just an OU problem, it is a MAC problem. Forget the NCAA tournament for a minute. When's the last time the MAC sent 2 teams to the NIT? Clearly selection committees look past the MAC when deciding on at-large teams.

Half right/half wrong ... you are right about the MAC road schedules, and the fact the NIT ignores a second MAC team as well as the NCAA ... but just using last season as an example - Akron, OU, Buffalo all finished the season inside the Top 100 ... NIU and Eastern got there before fading ... and Kent was comfortably inside the RPI T-100 before thier injury issues ... for MAC East teams in particular that's a half-dozen Top 100 MAC games for sure ... lots of resume building opportunities

Akron had a combined 4 wins vs. UB and OU last season and that wasn't even good enough to get an at home NIT game. You need better wins than OU/UB to give your resume credibility.

Or maybe you need better non-conference wins to make those MAC wins stand up/stand out ....

Also ... on the face of it you are right about Akron's NIT draw ... BUT we all know 99-times out of a hundred ... no matter what the records/RPI say .... where that game is going to played in the opening round ... better to play somebody else first and have a better shot at hosting that game in the second round.

Point being UB and OU aren't signature wins that you build your resume around. They are complimentary wins. You need top 50 wins to make your resume standout. There are few to no opportunities to get those in conference so you need to rely on OOC for them.

When other bubble teams have wins vs Michigan State, Louisville, Xavier, etc. saying well we beat OU/UB carries little to no weight.

St Bona was not selected for the Tournament and they had an RPI of 30 with conferences wins over #21(twice) and #22, both of whom earned bids. St Bona's 2 best OOC wins were vs #81Ohio and #91Buffalo.