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(03-21-2016 12:41 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:58 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:34 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  No one wants us to get into the Big XII more than I do. That being said, there is no way we are getting into the Big XII. We don't have the football tradition, basketball is currently worthless, and other than FedEx Forum, our facilities are crap. Why would the Big XII take us when there are so many other schools interested (Cincy, UConn, Boise ST, etc)?

Our facilities are not crap. One of the things that got us in the Big XII discussion was Iowa State coming to the Liberty Bowl a few years ago.

Outside of our desire to join, we are not in the Big XII discussion.

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Seriously, why would the Big XII take us?
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(03-21-2016 12:43 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  Seriously, why would the Big XII take us?


Because we ask real nice and our basketball coach doesn't cheat











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(03-21-2016 12:12 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 12:08 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:10 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Sweet, looks like we're in the B12.

Cool. When do we get the sign in Times Square again?

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what a letdown that was

The Big East disintegrating before we could actually join was (to me) the biggest disappointment involving Tiger Athletics until the decision was made to keep Pastner for another year.
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Don't get me wrong, I am all for a coaching change at this point. I am no insider by any means, my only source for this comment is info from this board and common sense. The way I see it, like it or not, keeping Pastner is the smart move for now. $10.6 to buy him out, that would come from boosters. $10 to exit AAC, that would come from the boosters. I don't know for sure, but there will most likely be a fee to join the B12, & that would most likely come from the boosters. If he stays, either the university, the boosters, or a combination of both pays the salary tab spread out over the remaining years of the contract. The boosters save their cash & we are positioned for the B12 & exit fee. Having the booster's drop the $10.6 right now is not the right cash flow model. It is what it is, we just have to endure it till it all plays out. I'll say this though, if (God Forbid) the B12 announces expansion and we are not invited, Pastner won't last 5 seconds.
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(03-21-2016 10:30 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 10:26 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  All the other "big shots" aren't such big shots, as it turns out. They are tapped out.

Totally disagree. They're not "tapped out;" they're just choosing not to spend their additional money on hiring a new coach this year....hopefully it's because they think they'll need to pay the AAC a buyout. Time will tell.

^This. Too bad the Tigers aren't situated here in Vegas. I guarantee each and every single one of you that this $10+ million buyout would have been paid and a new coach had been hired.
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(03-21-2016 12:50 PM)OleManBlue Wrote:  Don't get me wrong, I am all for a coaching change at this point. I am no insider by any means, my only source for this comment is info from this board and common sense. The way I see it, like it or not, keeping Pastner is the smart move for now. $10.6 to buy him out, that would come from boosters. $10 to exit AAC, that would come from the boosters. I don't know for sure, but there will most likely be a fee to join the B12, & that would most likely come from the boosters. If he stays, either the university, the boosters, or a combination of both pays the salary tab spread out over the remaining years of the contract. The boosters save their cash & we are positioned for the B12 & exit fee. Having the booster's drop the $10.6 right now is not the right cash flow model. It is what it is, we just have to endure it till it all plays out. I'll say this though, if (God Forbid) the B12 announces expansion and we are not invited, Pastner won't last 5 seconds.


THE ONLY CASH BEING SAVED IS WHATEVER MONEY WOULD BE NEEDED TO HIRE A NEW BB COACH. THE 10.6 M IS ALREADY SPENT MONEY WHETHER PASTNER IS THE COACH HERE OT NOT.
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Even if he leaves to go somewhere else?
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(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)OleManBlue Wrote:  Even if he leaves to go somewhere else?

Unless resigns or commits a fireable offense the man gets paid every penny over a 4 year period.
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So the Administration doing anything it can to create an atmosphere where someone else lures him away is still an option, while we don't think it will happen, it is still a possibility and any savings from the $10.6 could go towards the new coach
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(03-21-2016 11:34 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  No one wants us to get into the Big XII more than I do. That being said, there is no way we are getting into the Big XII. We don't have the football tradition, basketball is currently worthless, and other than FedEx Forum, our facilities are crap. Why would the Big XII take us when there are so many other schools interested (Cincy, UConn, Boise ST, etc)?

There are a number of reasons but one that often gets overlooked is the $20MM/year that FedEx Sports Marketing has been sitting on since 2010, when they ended their sponsorship of the Orange Bowl. That money is earmarked for the BigXII when they invite us in May.

To say our facilities are crap means you haven't been to the South Campus in several years.
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(03-21-2016 12:41 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:58 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:34 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  No one wants us to get into the Big XII more than I do. That being said, there is no way we are getting into the Big XII. We don't have the football tradition, basketball is currently worthless, and other than FedEx Forum, our facilities are crap. Why would the Big XII take us when there are so many other schools interested (Cincy, UConn, Boise ST, etc)?

Our facilities are not crap. One of the things that got us in the Big XII discussion was Iowa State coming to the Liberty Bowl a few years ago.

Outside of our desire to join, we are not in the Big XII discussion.

We are in the discussion, I don't know where we rank.

Boone Pickens mentioned us in an interview, I'd say that's in the discussion.
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(03-21-2016 01:00 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 12:58 PM)OleManBlue Wrote:  Even if he leaves to go somewhere else?

Unless resigns or commits a fireable offense the man gets paid every penny over a 4 year period.

Not meeting or exceeding what I would call SLA's or service level agreements should be the fireable offense.
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I started a thread on this very topic "the Rudd/Bowen Statement" and the words "investments and changes" and "competing on the highest level". Nobody knows what or exactly the investments and changes means or are. But everyone knows what "competing on the highest level" means. My take and thinking on these words are this.....if Josh repeats the same type of season he has had the past two/three years- he has to go, because both josh and the administration no longer have a leg to stand on. And if it's true that a couple of very rich boosters got their way with Josh being brought back for year eight, then they should except that it is time for a change when Josh hands us all another crap year.
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(03-21-2016 12:12 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 12:08 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:10 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Sweet, looks like we're in the B12.

Cool. When do we get the sign in Times Square again?

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what a letdown that was

It was nice to have the illusion that we'd finally made it for a few months.
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(03-21-2016 01:56 PM)TigerPhil Wrote:  I started a thread on this very topic "the Rudd/Bowen Statement" and the words "investments and changes" and "competing on the highest level". Nobody knows what or exactly the investments and changes means or are. But everyone knows what "competing on the highest level" means. My take and thinking on these words are this.....if Josh repeats the same type of season he has had the past two/three years- he has to go, because both josh and the administration no longer have a leg to stand on. And if it's true that a couple of very rich boosters got their way with Josh being brought back for year eight, then they should except that it is time for a change when Josh hands us all another crap year.


"Investment" to me means money already spent. Unless they are talking about raising ticket prices again. Good luck with that if true
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(03-21-2016 10:30 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 10:26 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  All the other "big shots" aren't such big shots, as it turns out. They are tapped out.

Totally disagree. They're not "tapped out;" they're just choosing not to spend their additional money on hiring a new coach this year....hopefully it's because they think they'll need to pay the AAC a buyout. Time will tell.

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(03-21-2016 11:34 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  No one wants us to get into the Big XII more than I do. That being said, there is no way we are getting into the Big XII. We don't have the football tradition, basketball is currently worthless, and other than FedEx Forum, our facilities are crap. Why would the Big XII take us when there are so many other schools interested (Cincy, UConn, Boise ST, etc)?

You're either 1. not very bright or 2. you have not been paying attention to the countless discussions about why we would be attractive to the Big XII and about the tremendous amounts of money that has been recently and is, even as we speak, being invested into new infrastructure (both sports and non-sports related) across the campus and other locations (The Liberty Bowl). My bet is you fit into both categories.
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(03-21-2016 03:13 PM)danny1 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:34 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  No one wants us to get into the Big XII more than I do. That being said, there is no way we are getting into the Big XII. We don't have the football tradition, basketball is currently worthless, and other than FedEx Forum, our facilities are crap. Why would the Big XII take us when there are so many other schools interested (Cincy, UConn, Boise ST, etc)?

You're either 1. not very bright or 2. you have not been paying attention to the countless discussions about why we would be attractive to the Big XII and about the tremendous amounts of money that has been recently and is, even as we speak, being invested into new infrastructure (both sports and non-sports related) across the campus and other locations (The Liberty Bowl). My bet is you fit into both categories.

No reason to call names. "Countless discussions?" Where? On this forum? That doesn't count. So, tell me....why would we be attractive to the Big XII? And if you can't reply like a big boy without calling names, keep your comments to yourself...K?
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(03-21-2016 03:42 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 03:13 PM)danny1 Wrote:  
(03-21-2016 11:34 AM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  No one wants us to get into the Big XII more than I do. That being said, there is no way we are getting into the Big XII. We don't have the football tradition, basketball is currently worthless, and other than FedEx Forum, our facilities are crap. Why would the Big XII take us when there are so many other schools interested (Cincy, UConn, Boise ST, etc)?

You're either 1. not very bright or 2. you have not been paying attention to the countless discussions about why we would be attractive to the Big XII and about the tremendous amounts of money that has been recently and is, even as we speak, being invested into new infrastructure (both sports and non-sports related) across the campus and other locations (The Liberty Bowl). My bet is you fit into both categories.

No reason to call names. "Countless discussions?" Where? On this forum? That doesn't count. So, tell me....why would we be attractive to the Big XII? And if you can't reply like a big boy without calling names, keep your comments to yourself...K?

I need some popcorn
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