I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Berry Trammel and Dennis Dodd are not two I consider very authoritative. The media still isn't talking about this as inevitable except for CBS Sports and Berry Trammel.

But there is definitely enthusiasm at some G5 schools. And not just among internet fans.

(03-20-2016 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  Berry Trammel and Dennis Dodd are not two I consider very authoritative. The media still isn't talking about this as inevitable except for CBS Sports and Berry Trammel.

But there is definitely enthusiasm at some G5 schools. And not just among internet fans.

What's your take on CBS's angle?

(03-20-2016 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  Berry Trammel and Dennis Dodd are not two I consider very authoritative. The media still isn't talking about this as inevitable except for CBS Sports and Berry Trammel.

But there is definitely enthusiasm at some G5 schools. And not just among internet fans.

Never mentions that according to Boren, and others, that adding 2 teams does not make the $$$ pie smaller. Contract allows for adding 2 and revenue is added also.

On the topic of ESPN/ACC network ...................I do think there are conflicts of interest that ESPN has and possibly the same with Fox (who owns half of the BIG) if the Big 12 was able expand and work with Fox on a network.

(03-20-2016 01:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  Berry Trammel and Dennis Dodd are not two I consider very authoritative. The media still isn't talking about this as inevitable except for CBS Sports and Berry Trammel.

But there is definitely enthusiasm at some G5 schools. And not just among internet fans.

What's your take on CBS's angle?

No clue. But they do have ONLY the SEC in their inventory for football. Not sure who they have for basketball other than they do have the Big 10.

Dennis Dodd seems to get used to put out positions.

(03-20-2016 02:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 01:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  Berry Trammel and Dennis Dodd are not two I consider very authoritative. The media still isn't talking about this as inevitable except for CBS Sports and Berry Trammel.

But there is definitely enthusiasm at some G5 schools. And not just among internet fans.

What's your take on CBS's angle?

No clue. But they do have ONLY the SEC in their inventory for football. Not sure who they have for basketball other than they do have the Big 10.

Dennis Dodd seems to get used to put out positions.

I've heard rumblings that the SEC might consider other offers when the CBS deal is up. How serious we are about it I haven't a clue. But it could be that CBS is looking just in case. That's why I asked if you knew the angle. Right now our exposure is so good with that CBS slot I just can't see the rationale for giving it up.

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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(03-20-2016 03:19 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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Except one of the 2 Kansas schools already came out in favor of expansion. Kansas State is in favor. They know they are in the outs if Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma go to other places. That means the other 7 are stuck. The PAC 12 will not take Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. Not enough value to add for any tv networks.

(03-20-2016 03:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:19 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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Except one of the 2 Kansas schools already came out in favor of expansion. Kansas State is in favor. They know they are in the outs if Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma go to other places. That means the other 7 are stuck. The PAC 12 will not take Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. Not enough value to add for any tv networks.

They instead need to add Arkansas Tech, North Dakota State, Jacksonville State and James Madison.

(03-20-2016 03:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:19 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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Except one of the 2 Kansas schools already came out in favor of expansion. Kansas State is in favor. They know they are in the outs if Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma go to other places. That means the other 7 are stuck. The PAC 12 will not take Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. Not enough value to add for any tv networks.

When did KSU come out as being a yes? I haven't seen that...it makes sense but I haven't seen it.

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(03-20-2016 04:02 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:19 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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Except one of the 2 Kansas schools already came out in favor of expansion. Kansas State is in favor. They know they are in the outs if Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma go to other places. That means the other 7 are stuck. The PAC 12 will not take Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. Not enough value to add for any tv networks.

When did KSU come out as being a yes? I haven't seen that...it makes sense but I haven't seen it.

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That was when Bill Snyder came out in support of West Virginia for expansion. It was the time when Boren spoke out the first time last year about what the Big 12 needs. The KState supporters would go with Snyder on this issue.

It seems like the majority of the B12 should be pro expansion along with OU since most of them are not desirable to any other P conference and either have no chance at getting into another Power Conference at all or are totally dependent on a coattail ride from UT or OU to get them in (a ride that may or may not actually happen)

The fact then that this is even still an issue then shows that the UT veto still has a ton of weight

(03-20-2016 04:05 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 04:02 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:19 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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Except one of the 2 Kansas schools already came out in favor of expansion. Kansas State is in favor. They know they are in the outs if Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma go to other places. That means the other 7 are stuck. The PAC 12 will not take Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. Not enough value to add for any tv networks.

When did KSU come out as being a yes? I haven't seen that...it makes sense but I haven't seen it.

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That was when Bill Snyder came out in support of West Virginia for expansion. It was the time when Boren spoke out the first time last year about what the Big 12 needs. The KState supporters would go with Snyder on this issue.

That was Bill, not the university

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(03-20-2016 03:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 02:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 01:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  Berry Trammel and Dennis Dodd are not two I consider very authoritative. The media still isn't talking about this as inevitable except for CBS Sports and Berry Trammel.

But there is definitely enthusiasm at some G5 schools. And not just among internet fans.

What's your take on CBS's angle?

No clue. But they do have ONLY the SEC in their inventory for football. Not sure who they have for basketball other than they do have the Big 10.

Dennis Dodd seems to get used to put out positions.

I've heard rumblings that the SEC might consider other offers when the CBS deal is up. How serious we are about it I haven't a clue. But it could be that CBS is looking just in case. That's why I asked if you knew the angle. Right now our exposure is so good with that CBS slot I just can't see the rationale for giving it up.

I would think either CBS or NBC would be good for the SEC. Obviously ABC or Fox would work as well, but there's something to being on a network that isn't so crowded with games.

If I were the Big 10, I would be looking for something similar. Have a separate 1 game Tier I bid out CBS/NBC/Fox/ABC and try to keep ESPN for the Tier II.

(03-20-2016 03:19 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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I see lots of comments indicating KSU is in favor. OSU has been quiet, so my guess is they are very skeptical of expansion. Stillwater was the one place UH President Khator went where she didn't come back with a selfie with the president.

(03-20-2016 04:02 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:19 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might lead to some productive discussion:

http://www.sportsminorityreport.blogspot.com

Reading his other one on MHVer3 and a Big 12 network, he has to be a Baylor fan: Been following realignment since SWC breakup, disses KU, KSU and ISU for not supporting OU. OU is NOT a king of kings. Ignores OSU and Tech when talking about teams that might find a home in a P5 (WVU, TCU and Baylor are maybes). Calls Tech and TCU votes owned by UT. Baylor fan.

Bullet,

If he is a Baylor fan he is very low key then as I have never heard of him before now. I'm more inclined to think he is an OU fan given his blistering of the Kansas schools who probably in his mind should be in OU's pocket like Tech is for UT.

As for TCU I think what he is saying matches other comments we have seen come out of Fort Worth about being patient.

We know that where WVU stands, where OSU likely stands, and given we are on the committee where BU stands. What I can't really figure out is why KSU wouldn't be more on board given where they were last time.

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Except one of the 2 Kansas schools already came out in favor of expansion. Kansas State is in favor. They know they are in the outs if Kansas, Texas and Oklahoma go to other places. That means the other 7 are stuck. The PAC 12 will not take Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas State. Not enough value to add for any tv networks.

When did KSU come out as being a yes? I haven't seen that...it makes sense but I haven't seen it.

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Only OU and WVU have come out publically. KSU's president is known to be friends with Cincinnati's president and talked with UConn's president when they were playing them in Storrs. As mentioned, Bill Snyder was pro-expansion. So they would likely be one of the 4 or 5 that Boren mentioned.

The least pro-expansion schools have been the lower revenue schools. They don't want to risk coming out with less money.

(03-20-2016 06:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 03:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 02:44 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 01:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-20-2016 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  Berry Trammel and Dennis Dodd are not two I consider very authoritative. The media still isn't talking about this as inevitable except for CBS Sports and Berry Trammel.

But there is definitely enthusiasm at some G5 schools. And not just among internet fans.

What's your take on CBS's angle?

No clue. But they do have ONLY the SEC in their inventory for football. Not sure who they have for basketball other than they do have the Big 10.

Dennis Dodd seems to get used to put out positions.

I've heard rumblings that the SEC might consider other offers when the CBS deal is up. How serious we are about it I haven't a clue. But it could be that CBS is looking just in case. That's why I asked if you knew the angle. Right now our exposure is so good with that CBS slot I just can't see the rationale for giving it up.

I would think either CBS or NBC would be good for the SEC. Obviously ABC or Fox would work as well, but there's something to being on a network that isn't so crowded with games.

If I were the Big 10, I would be looking for something similar. Have a separate 1 game Tier I bid out CBS/NBC/Fox/ABC and try to keep ESPN for the Tier II.

Well therein lies the problem for the Big 10. How many compelling games are there beyond T1? I think that is why ESPN put their eggs in that T1 basket. The Big 12 is competitive enough that your number of dog games were 9. Kansas vs the schedule. Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, and frequently Minnesota. Half of a T2 package might be some clunkers.

I don't think the Big 12 expands. There are no home run schools that check all the boxes. Without those, then there would be compromising and that leads to further problems. There are no football power, academic heavyweights who have rabid fan support within the Big 12 footprint willing to come to the Big 12 and be a travel partner for West Virginia.

So if going to 12 is a priority, where is the compromise? Can you expand without creating a travel partner for West Virginia? If so, how many more islands can you create to get the best candidate(s)? Is the conference okay with a school with average at best current performance in football with the hopes that the ever elusive "potential" will soon be fulfilled with better resources delivered from the Big 12? Does the Big 12 invite a glorified community college because they have great athletics with a rabid fan base? Does the Big 12 take a couple of okay options now when there could be even better options down the road?

It is risky whether the Big 12 invites, any number of schools. It is risky for the Big 12 to stand pat. I don't think there are any good options available for the Big 12 (as in, there are a whole lot of negatives that counteract the positives and not that there aren't good schools out there). Oklahoma can make threats but I don't think they are a flight risk until the grant of rights get close to expiring and/or the new income outweighs the cost of paying the grant of rights.

(03-20-2016 09:18 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I don't think the Big 12 expands. There are no home run schools that check all the boxes. Without those, then there would be compromising and that leads to further problems. There are no football power, academic heavyweights who have rabid fan support within the Big 12 footprint willing to come to the Big 12 and be a travel partner for West Virginia.

So if going to 12 is a priority, where is the compromise? Can you expand without creating a travel partner for West Virginia? If so, how many more islands can you create to get the best candidate(s)? Is the conference okay with a school with average at best current performance in football with the hopes that the ever elusive "potential" will soon be fulfilled with better resources delivered from the Big 12? Does the Big 12 invite a glorified community college because they have great athletics with a rabid fan base? Does the Big 12 take a couple of okay options now when there could be even better options down the road?

It is risky whether the Big 12 invites, any number of schools. It is risky for the Big 12 to stand pat. I don't think there are any good options available for the Big 12 (as in, there are a whole lot of negatives that counteract the positives and not that there aren't good schools out there). Oklahoma can make threats but I don't think they are a flight risk until the grant of rights get close to expiring and/or the new income outweighs the cost of paying the grant of rights.

Agreed. So, the "little 7" need to be thinking right now about how to find a post-UT/OU/KU-exodus position of strength. If they "stand pat" and none of the other 7 get picked up by a Power 5, where will they stand? A solid 7 against a larger but more mediocre AAC AND MWC. If they can poach from the top of the AAC today, that might not strengthen them much TODAY when comparing with the Big Tens and SECs of the world. But it will strengthen them tomorrow when they are being compared with the MWC and AAC.

The Big 12 is a sinking ship. Everyone is trying to prepare a lifeboat for 2025...some lifeboats will be luxurious...some just hope to float. All decisions coming this summer will be made with this reality in mind.